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question everything

(47,479 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:53 AM Sep 2022

The Frontline program on PBS was scary, especially at the end

when threatening messages were left on Griffith(?) the last spokesperson of the W.H? phone.

Traitor and cursing and threats.

And one R member of Congress justified laying low: it is one thing when they invade the Capitol but I don't want them coming to my house terrorizing my family..

https://democraticunderground.com/100217128399

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The Frontline program on PBS was scary, especially at the end (Original Post) question everything Sep 2022 OP
Yes..it was hard to watch at times but they didn't settle for fluff..it's Frontline, always good. Deuxcents Sep 2022 #1
It's No Secret That This Country Is Fucked SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #2
Laying low markodochartaigh Sep 2022 #3
During the primaries. the leaders could not decide whom the loathed more: question everything Sep 2022 #7
My takeaway was that,as far as I could tell (and I was back and forth at work.. Volaris Sep 2022 #4
K&R Boomerproud Sep 2022 #6
The program was about how Trump took control of the R party. It was NOT question everything Sep 2022 #8
I wonder if it covers Rusty Bowers (R), Speaker of the Arizona House progree Sep 2022 #5

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
2. It's No Secret That This Country Is Fucked
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:19 AM
Sep 2022

I pretty much know that conclusion without watching that program. I'm glad PBS is exposing it.

markodochartaigh

(1,138 posts)
3. Laying low
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:44 AM
Sep 2022

The Republicans knew exactly what they were doing when they allowed the authoritarian eighty percent of their party to take control. They were going to have a brokered convention to pick another candidate, but because Trump was so wildly popular with their base they knew that they couldn't win in 2016 if they dumped Trump. Amazingly some party leaders even refused to support Trump after he became the candidate.

If Republicans don't feel that they can keep their families safe in the US then let them send their families to Russia or Saudi Arabia where they can be protected. But the corporate Republicans who let the authoritarian genie out of the bottle need to stay in the US to help put the genie back.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
7. During the primaries. the leaders could not decide whom the loathed more:
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 10:53 AM
Sep 2022

Trump or Cruz. Cruz refused to endorse him in the convention but eventually did. He came close to being tarred and feathered if he did not.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
4. My takeaway was that,as far as I could tell (and I was back and forth at work..
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:03 AM
Sep 2022

..so if I missed it please correct me).

Not ONE democratic official got sat in front of that camera to say 'We fucking told you so.'.

Not ONE person in that show said, 'yaknow what, Hillary was right. About everything. So yeah...I guess it's good that ya'll realize it AFTER the fact, but not one of his enablers, from the Magas that voted for him, to the HUNDREDS of GOP electeds (from Pence all the way down to dogcatcher in sister-fuck, wherever), tried to stop it or speak up. Not ONE.'

So. Now what. How do we move forward; how do we fix our 'broken nation'?, what do we do with all the oh-so-worried-about-things-republican and journalistic hand wringing?, 'WHAT SHALL WE DO, HOW SHALL WE FIX IT?'

I'll tell you how, and the same ya'll's from up above had better get it through their thick heads that this is what IS GOING to happen now:

Democracy in America.

The voters are gonna go vote, '...and you will know that THEY are the Lord Your God, WHEN THEY LAY THEIR VENGANCE UPON THEE.'

You put THIS in your little show here, and you tell EVERYONE, from the magas in the streets to the GOP both 'good' AND 'bad', to the judges everywhere who think 'NOWS the time', that DEMOCRACY is coming for them. That RULE OF LAW is coming for them. That We The People, are FUCKING COMING FOR THEM, AND THAT HELL IS COMING WITH US.

THAT segment, I must have missed.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
8. The program was about how Trump took control of the R party. It was NOT
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 10:58 AM
Sep 2022

about the damage that he has been inflicting on this country.

It was really revolting how they all surrounded him to praise him one after the other.

progree

(10,907 posts)
5. I wonder if it covers Rusty Bowers (R), Speaker of the Arizona House
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:20 AM
Sep 2022

who resisted an enormous amount of pressure to overturn the Arizona 2020 presidential election results or decertify the electors or any of the other ways MAGA-its including Trump personally and Rudy Guiliani personally tried to get him to do to keep Arizona's Electors from voting for Biden on Jan 6.

I read about it in "The Last Word" in the Sept 9 issue of "The Week", which came from The Guardian. Just a tiny exceprt:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/rusty-bowers-interview-trump-arizona-republicans

As January 6 approached, and the cries of stolen election reached fever pitch, the attacks on Bowers became personal. A “Trump train” of angry fanatics blaring their horns in pickup trucks festooned with Maga flags turned up at his home in Mesa, some bearing digital boards proclaiming him to be a pedophile.

To protect his family, he would step outside the house and confront the protesters. One man had three bars on his chest, signalling he was a member of the far-right militia group the Three Percenters. The man was screaming obscenities and carrying a pistol. “I had to get as close to him as I could to defend myself if he went for the gun.”

I never had the thought of giving up. No way. I don’t like bullies

The worst of it was that during several of these menacing protests, his daughter Kacey was inside the house mortally ill in bed with liver failure. “She would say, ‘What are they doing out there?’ She was emotional. She told me, ‘I’m going to die.’ I said, ‘Honey, you’re not going to die.’ So she had feelings, we were trying to keep her positive.”

Kacey Bowers did die, on 28 January, three weeks after the insurrection at the US Capitol.


And the situation today is scary:

Then on 2 August, Bowers was effectively turfed out of the Arizona legislature when he was defeated in the primary by the Satan-evoking Farnsworth. That same night, the slate of election deniers standing for statewide positions won a clean sweep.

Republican nominations for governor, a US Senate seat, state attorney general and secretary of state all went to enthusiastic backers of Trump and his 2020 attempted coup. They included Mark Finchem, who was present at the attack on the US Capitol on January 6 and who continues to try to decertify Biden’s presidency to this day.

Finchem is now the Republican candidate for secretary of state. Should he win in November, he would be in charge of Arizona’s election administration through the 2024 presidential contest, in which Trump has indicated he is likely to be competing.

The ascent of election deniers across the board marks the final transformation of the Republican party in the state. Trump’s grip is now complete; the strain of constitutional conservatism epitomized by Bowers is in the wilderness.

... In February, a mega “election integrity” bill was introduced into the Arizona legislature that was the culmination of the anti-democratic drift of the party. House bill 2596 would have given the Republican-controlled legislature the power to reject any election result that the majority group didn’t like.


It's hard for me to understand how someone who votes for tax cuts for the wealthy and control of women and climate denialism and all the other awful things Republicans stand for could also be a Profiles In Courage person in standing for democracy and rule of law.

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