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malaise

(268,968 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:15 PM Sep 2022

Serious question

Why are so many people afraid to use the words dying, die, died or dead when one of them is needed. The quintessential philosophical truth is that everything that lives eventually dies. Why are people so afraid to use those words?

We will all die and unless we are cremated or preserved in chemicals, we too will rot in our graves like the millions who died before us.


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Serious question (Original Post) malaise Sep 2022 OP
Excellent point. OLDMDDEM Sep 2022 #1
Serious question PJMcK Sep 2022 #2
Join the line malaise Sep 2022 #4
One cannot simply tiptoe surreptitiously around death EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #3
I find the attempts to do just that malaise Sep 2022 #6
Thank you. It's a pet peeve of mine, too. Mister Ed Sep 2022 #5
It's beyond stupid malaise Sep 2022 #8
You really should do some research on Native America cultures. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #44
"Passed" is my personal pet peeve Retrograde Sep 2022 #51
Yes, death is inevitable. pandr32 Sep 2022 #7
Agree malaise Sep 2022 #9
100% pandr32 Sep 2022 #10
My 89 year old golfing buddy won't say die, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #11
Because we are all concerned with our own mortality. Sneederbunk Sep 2022 #12
Well the British queen just died malaise Sep 2022 #13
Yep, we all reach the very same point in the end. KPN Sep 2022 #77
i feel that reality is the great equalizer...death is merely the end of the timeline. Moostache Sep 2022 #81
Well said. Nt raccoon Sep 2022 #98
I have a friend of mine who abhors at least one of those terms and will not allow it used. Wrestlefire769 Sep 2022 #14
I think some of the common euphemisms lend some dignity, respect, and kindness to the moment. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2022 #15
dropped the robe is a native american expression. it means just that, mopinko Sep 2022 #18
I never slammed a coffin lid down on a malaise Sep 2022 #19
You can't be serious? BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #46
i talk to my ancestors. mopinko Sep 2022 #82
I respect that. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #83
Same here malaise Sep 2022 #85
Once upon a time, family members lived in the same dwelling, in the same small community, and death question everything Sep 2022 #16
Beautiful post malaise Sep 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Sep 2022 #17
because when it is someone we love, it hurts to say that word. mopinko Sep 2022 #20
How do we heal if we can't speak the truth malaise Sep 2022 #22
we dont. when it's someone we love, we are never that person again. mopinko Sep 2022 #24
Well said. StarryNite Sep 2022 #43
I loved my brother piddyprints Sep 2022 #74
My youngest sister died in 2005 malaise Sep 2022 #84
What a wonderful gift! piddyprints Sep 2022 #96
We never forget those we love or those malaise Sep 2022 #97
I agree. I use "die." MineralMan Sep 2022 #23
You know that to be true for everyone? Sogo Sep 2022 #36
I think it depends. calimary Sep 2022 #52
Well said. Sogo Sep 2022 #60
Thanks. I think you have to think of the survivors and how THEY'RE feeling. calimary Sep 2022 #67
Except the poem is Danascot Sep 2022 #80
Certainly one of the great quotes. calimary Sep 2022 #91
I said what I do and what I think. MineralMan Sep 2022 #68
Why does it matter? BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #25
Agree. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2022 #27
+1 chowder66 Sep 2022 #41
Agree StarryNite Sep 2022 #45
Exactly. Sogo Sep 2022 #58
I'm with you. I loathe euphemisms for 'dead' or 'died'. Aristus Sep 2022 #26
My mum used to tell us that she'd come back and haunt us if we ever put malaise Sep 2022 #95
I always thought if it as compassion toward the family and friends of the deceased In It to Win It Sep 2022 #28
You think they don't know their loved one is malaise Sep 2022 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2022 #29
Great post malaise Sep 2022 #30
In my will, H2O Man Sep 2022 #48
That's very cool malaise Sep 2022 #86
Why do so many people like to shit on what others do for comfort? LexVegas Sep 2022 #32
This. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #49
+1. n/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2022 #57
Good question. n/t demmiblue Sep 2022 #62
I don't get it either. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2022 #33
It's often painful to think of those whom you love in terms of their death. Sogo Sep 2022 #34
I lost my grandfather when I was 8 and my father when I was 10. TNNurse Sep 2022 #35
In my will, I have left instructions to find your resting place and carve a stone... Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #37
Jeanne Robertson, a southern woman who was a speaker and humorist Tadpole Raisin Sep 2022 #38
Great story! cksmithy Sep 2022 #66
Nice post malaise Sep 2022 #87
My brother bought a casket before he died and asked if he could have his picture made... 40RatRod Sep 2022 #39
My Father discouraged the use of the word "passed" Stuckinthebush Sep 2022 #40
Saying "Jesus DIED for our sins" sounds better to the gullible, sky-fairy-tale evangelicals than TeamProg Sep 2022 #103
The only thing I fear is pain. Will it be a painful death Emile Sep 2022 #42
They didn't die they moved on. Sentient beings do not die, their physical bodies stop working. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #47
I've wondered the same, I am quite merciless in using "to die." malthaussen Sep 2022 #50
My girlfriend is a southern black woman. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #53
Some people think they will live forever. pwb Sep 2022 #54
Charles Frohman, producer of Peter Pan, and who died on the Lusitania, had the best dying words BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #63
I am OK knowing that I have fewer years ahead than behind.😀 malaise Sep 2022 #89
The answer is obvious to even the least skilled in social graces: TeamProg Sep 2022 #55
This. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #73
You're right! The connotation of words can carry far more than their literal meaning. Tadpole Raisin Sep 2022 #99
Dark Frost on TikTok tells the story MadScot Sep 2022 #56
That is brilliant malaise Sep 2022 #90
One of my pet peeves too Hamlette Sep 2022 #59
Because death is abrupt and final. canuckledragger Sep 2022 #61
Only the date malaise Sep 2022 #92
Is it really a problem? Brainfodder Sep 2022 #64
I often us the word. However, I think it's a little harsh for a spouse or child of someone who just Martin68 Sep 2022 #65
I was in the insurance business for most of my working life. gibraltar72 Sep 2022 #69
Well I'll happily eventually escape the question itself. NNadir Sep 2022 #70
Serious question. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #71
I don't get it either. piddyprints Sep 2022 #72
Whistling past the graveyard NT bigtime Sep 2022 #75
malaise, I was just thinking of an adjacent issue. skip fox Sep 2022 #76
You mean you didn't see that bright light.? malaise Sep 2022 #88
I say passed, bucause that is exactly what I believe happens CanonRay Sep 2022 #78
Energy is neither created nor destroyed. I sort of look forward to Backseat Driver Sep 2022 #79
I believe we leave some of our energy with family and those we touched along the way malaise Sep 2022 #94
I dunno. Why do people have to post hurricane forecasts on a political board Thtwudbeme Sep 2022 #93
I believe it is to soften a very painful loss Meowmee Sep 2022 #100
Part of what I do is talk about death Maeve Sep 2022 #101
Fascinating malaise Sep 2022 #102
I agree with you. llmart Sep 2022 #104
I don't plan to have a long and drawn out malaise Sep 2022 #105
Agree. llmart Sep 2022 #106
K&R spanone Sep 2022 #107
I go the other way. KentuckyWoman Sep 2022 #108
Is "deceased" okay? ShazzieB Sep 2022 #109

EYESORE 9001

(25,933 posts)
3. One cannot simply tiptoe surreptitiously around death
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:22 PM
Sep 2022

No flowery euphemisms or cosmetic augmentations can alter the facts.

Mister Ed

(5,930 posts)
5. Thank you. It's a pet peeve of mine, too.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:22 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't think it's the least bit harsh or disrespectful to say someone has died. I see no need for terms like "passed" or "no longer with us".

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
44. You really should do some research on Native America cultures.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:39 PM
Sep 2022

I do hope you wouldn’t think their beliefs were. “beyond stupid.”

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
51. "Passed" is my personal pet peeve
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:58 PM
Sep 2022

Pass is a transitive verb: whenever I hear someone say he or she passed, I want to complete the sentence: passed what? passed gas? passed the finish line? passed GO and collected $200?

Die is a perfectly serviceable word, and I think we tend to avoid using it because it is so dark and final - not to mention brutish, nasty and short.

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
7. Yes, death is inevitable.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:27 PM
Sep 2022

I wish it wasn't such a taboo subject. If we were more open about death as a natural part of everything there would likely be less anxiety about it. As a child it terrified me. If only we could make end of life more comfortable, accepted, and supported. Dying with dignity could happen.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
77. Yep, we all reach the very same point in the end.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:09 PM
Sep 2022

It’s one of the only times when we are all equal — when we are dead. Death is the great equalizer.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
81. i feel that reality is the great equalizer...death is merely the end of the timeline.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:22 PM
Sep 2022

Reality is all things that live will die. That is true of people, animals, plants and non-organisms like philosophies, religions, perceptions, cultural norms, etc.

Even perceptions of wealth and "earned" versus "deserved" versus "fair/unfair". Once dead the present becomes the forever and the future ends.

 

Wrestlefire769

(84 posts)
14. I have a friend of mine who abhors at least one of those terms and will not allow it used.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:34 PM
Sep 2022

Too many losses, too many losses close to home.

That may not be the more normal reason for your question (probably, more commonly, fear of them going), but there you go.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,834 posts)
15. I think some of the common euphemisms lend some dignity, respect, and kindness to the moment.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022

We can slam the coffin lid down or we can lower it gently.
In particular, saying someone has passed really alludes to the greater issue of how temporary our existence is here, how when we're here we're really just "passing through."

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
18. dropped the robe is a native american expression. it means just that,
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:41 PM
Sep 2022

not the end, just another passage on the journey.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
19. I never slammed a coffin lid down on a
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:43 PM
Sep 2022

relative, friend or colleague. While they were alive, I tried my best to make them comfortable and let them know they were loved. When they stopped breathing I was OK with telling others that so and so died. That is what happened.

Using passed and other euphemisms is relatively new - we never used to be afraid of using the words I mentioned.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
46. You can't be serious?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:42 PM
Sep 2022

Read how the people of Botswana speak of their dead.

Many, many, many cultures have euphemisms for death, and I assure you it’s nothing new.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
82. i talk to my ancestors.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:23 PM
Sep 2022

my great grand and ggrandparents are buried a mile form where i live.
it's a lovely place, on the shore of lake mich, full of irishmen. it gives me great peace.
only problem is every time i go, i hear the call of home even louder.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
83. I respect that.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:35 PM
Sep 2022

I wasn’t talking to you in that response, but totally understand what you’re saying.

The OP has me flummoxed. Many cultures deal with death differently.

Many of my relatives are Irish. “Passed” is used quite a bit.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
85. Same here
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:55 PM
Sep 2022

Sometimes I ask specific ancestors for advice but I don’t expect an answer. Sometimes I just say hi but I know they are dead.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
16. Once upon a time, family members lived in the same dwelling, in the same small community, and death
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022

was viewed as a natural event.

Today many of us are spread across the globe. When family members are getting old and sick we transfer them to homes, or hospitals or hospices. And too often we are not present to even say good bye. And this was before Covid.

Eight years ago my spouse rushed to his mother's hospital bed, half a country away. I stayed behind. She was 91, I think. And she had had enough. She even refused the technicians who came to withdraw blood.

Spouse arrived on time and she did recognize him, just "oh, wow."

Later he called me, and said: when I was young, she taught me how to walk. And now she taught me how to die. And we both choked.


Response to malaise (Original post)

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
20. because when it is someone we love, it hurts to say that word.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:43 PM
Sep 2022

it's final. but most of us hope this life isnt all there is.
so we dont want to say it, or hear it.
in a way, it isnt accurate.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
24. we dont. when it's someone we love, we are never that person again.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:50 PM
Sep 2022

the death of a loved 1 marks a passage for the survivors, too.
we vow to hold them in our hearts, to never rly let them die.

in many ways, death is not final, or immutable.

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
43. Well said.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:39 PM
Sep 2022

The death of a loved one is not something we get through or get past. We go on but we are not the same. I think we all need to deal with it in the best way we can. I don't understand why it should bother others how anybody else addresses death. Some religions dwell on it. They're whole reason for being is to die and serve their god for an eternity. Doing what, I have no idea!

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
74. I loved my brother
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:54 PM
Sep 2022

More than anyone in my life except my husband and kids. I was with him when he died, holding his hand. I’d been with him in hospice for 2 weeks, sleeping in a cot beside his bed. It was and still is painful, 12 years later. But it’s not more painful because I say he died and I doubt it would be less painful if I said he passed it passed away. Actually, he’d be pissed off if I said he’d passed. He wasn’t afraid of death or the language.

He lives in my memories, but he is dead. Nothing will change that.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
84. My youngest sister died in 2005
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:48 PM
Sep 2022

Most of us were with her in the hospital. She is dead but beautiful memories live on as does a fabulous pressure cooker that she bought me two years before she died. It’s just a pot now but it was a high end Italian one (that I could never afford) and it’s beautiful stainless steel reminds me of her ability to buy great stuff at the best sales.
I miss her but it’s not painful the way it was for the first few years.

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
96. What a wonderful gift!
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:30 PM
Sep 2022

You have a beautiful pot and memories from her gift. We inherited my brother's cat, who is 19 now. I expect to feel a new pang when she dies, but I'm absolutely sure he would be thrilled that she's had such a good, long life. Whenever she does something particularly cute, I find myself wanting to call him to tell him about it.

The first few years were rough for me too. I don't think I'll ever stop missing him. Hold onto those wonderful memories.




calimary

(81,238 posts)
52. I think it depends.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:00 PM
Sep 2022

Sometimes when someone's grieving, seems to me it's not the observer's place to underscore the bad news. There's that old saying about going "gently into that good night." Sometimes these things have to be handled with great care, gentleness, and sensitivity.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
67. Thanks. I think you have to think of the survivors and how THEY'RE feeling.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:30 PM
Sep 2022

And how you greet that reality - THEIR reality, on THEIR behalf. It's not your call - at least not until you are the one in mourning.

But hey, that's just my opinion, for whatever that's worth.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
68. I said what I do and what I think.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:35 PM
Sep 2022

Others can do whatever they wish.

It is my opinion on the matter.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
25. Why does it matter?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:51 PM
Sep 2022

Whatever gives a person comfort is fine with me.

I can’t imagine caring what word someone uses to describe it. The Navaho avoided even speaking of the dead.

Many cultures have very different views of death and how it’s handled.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
26. I'm with you. I loathe euphemisms for 'dead' or 'died'.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:01 PM
Sep 2022

Take your pick: passed away, passed on, gone home to glory, went to his/her rest, went to be with the angels, flew up into the clouds to be with Jesus, etc.

Ugh.

And I swear by all that is holy, if any member of my family puts in my obituary that Aristus has ‘GONE FISHIN’, I will come back and haunt them so hard, it will make Poltergeist look like a Casper cartoon.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
95. My mum used to tell us that she'd come back and haunt us if we ever put
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:22 PM
Sep 2022

flowers on her grave. She said she wanted all her flowers while she could see them.

In It to Win It

(8,248 posts)
28. I always thought if it as compassion toward the family and friends of the deceased
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:06 PM
Sep 2022

Personally, I don't mind the words dead, died, dying or any other tense of the word.

I used "softer" language like "passed away" to show compassion.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
29. Recommended.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:12 PM
Sep 2022

I think part of it has to do with modern society's denial of the life cycle. We store elderly relatives in "old folks homes," and television focuses on "beautiful" young and healthy people.

For whatever reason, your OP reminded me of my father's calling hours. Two of my closest friends approached me, and asked, "How are you doing?" I replied, "Oh, not too good. Don't know if you heard, but my father died." (Both responded, "Fuck you!," which lightened the atmosphere.

For my own part, I want to hold my calling hours while I'm still alive. I'll lay very still in my coffin pose, and listen to what people have to say about me.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
30. Great post
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:16 PM
Sep 2022

and that coffin pose cracked me up. I’m heading to the Anatomy Department of a hospital 😀😀😀

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
48. In my will,
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:52 PM
Sep 2022

I said that I wanted to be cremated. The driveway here gets icy in the winter, and I said I want my ashes used on it.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
49. This.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:53 PM
Sep 2022

And absolutely ignoring how many cultures handle death differently.

No one way is “correct.”

greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
33. I don't get it either.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:24 PM
Sep 2022

It doesn't change things one bit. When my 41-year-old nephew died last October after falling off a ladder and having a massive TBI, I wanted to slap everyone who said things like "passed away", "gone home" or "left to be with his maker".

It did nothing to relieve my grief at his loss. Nor was it comforting and won't bring him back.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
34. It's often painful to think of those whom you love in terms of their death.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:25 PM
Sep 2022

You are correct, however, that death comes to us all....

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
35. I lost my grandfather when I was 8 and my father when I was 10.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:29 PM
Sep 2022

As a hospital RN for 37 years. I used the word "died". The event requires clarity and it can be done calmly and with compassion. I have heard many say "passed" or "passed away", but I prefer accuracy.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,340 posts)
37. In my will, I have left instructions to find your resting place and carve a stone...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:29 PM
Sep 2022

malaise Crossed Over and is now Pining For The Fjords.

Tadpole Raisin

(972 posts)
38. Jeanne Robertson, a southern woman who was a speaker and humorist
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Sep 2022

talked about people ‘passing’ during her stories.

I too find euphemisms for dying difficult personally but have come to accept that not everyone is able to handle that. I just let it go.

That being said I will watch the coverage of Queen Elizabeth’s life, just a little show of honor and respect.

Anyway Jeanne Robertson had a great story I love where she included the topic of death and how they view it in the South while discussing the disaster that was sending her husband to the grocery store.

40RatRod

(532 posts)
39. My brother bought a casket before he died and asked if he could have his picture made...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Sep 2022

...lying inside of it so he could see how he would look.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
40. My Father discouraged the use of the word "passed"
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Sep 2022

when speaking of death. He was a pastoral counselor and often said that death is normal and saying passed is a way to lessen the blow of finality. But in healing it is often necessary to address it head on. He also used to joke that Jesus didn't pass away for our sins. He freakin died!

As an atheist I'm not fond of the word passed because of the connotation but I can understand how close family members might need to use it to lessen the blow of death.

TeamProg

(6,124 posts)
103. Saying "Jesus DIED for our sins" sounds better to the gullible, sky-fairy-tale evangelicals than
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:22 PM
Sep 2022

saying "Jesus was MURDERED for our sins". Doesn't it?

Calling your brother and saying "Dad passed away last night" sounds better than "Dad died last night". Doesn't it? But some people might add the word "finally" into that last example.

The life has passed, I don't mean that the person passed into "heaven".



Emile

(22,707 posts)
42. The only thing I fear is pain. Will it be a painful death
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:38 PM
Sep 2022

or will I go asleep one night and never wake up. I'm hoping I will go in my sleep. One thing I do know is that we all die.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
50. I've wondered the same, I am quite merciless in using "to die."
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 02:55 PM
Sep 2022

The answer is, I think, pretty simple though: life is an exercise in denial.

-- Mal

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
53. My girlfriend is a southern black woman.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:01 PM
Sep 2022

Her family all refer to a “homegoing”. And they always use the word “passed.”

As a white Anglo Saxon, it was new to me, but I’ve come to like it.

Does that bother you too?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
63. Charles Frohman, producer of Peter Pan, and who died on the Lusitania, had the best dying words
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:16 PM
Sep 2022

I’ve ever heard.

He said: Why fear death? It’s the most beautiful adventure that life gives us.”

I read that years ago, and it’s always stuck with me.

TeamProg

(6,124 posts)
55. The answer is obvious to even the least skilled in social graces:
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:04 PM
Sep 2022

Say I call an old but out of touch friend. A relative answers the phone so I ask to speak with him/her and the relative says "he's dead". Though it's true, it's still a bit on the crude side as opposed to saying "he passed away" or "he's no longer living".

See how that works?


Tadpole Raisin

(972 posts)
99. You're right! The connotation of words can carry far more than their literal meaning.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:36 PM
Sep 2022

Body language, facial expression or voice - tone, volume, or being sharp or short with your words can imply cruelty and contempt even where none was intended. Where one person might have just wanted to convey a fact, the recipient might see it in a very different way.

Of course taken to extremes we can talk about people being snowflakes or politically correct. I try for the middle ground and take my cues from the person I’m talking to.

Not always successfully. Ever regret sending that email that was truthful but way worse than what you wanted to convey? lol!

What a vibrant, joyous but complex world we live in.

MadScot

(16 posts)
56. Dark Frost on TikTok tells the story
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:04 PM
Sep 2022

of how one day Death asked Life "Why does everyone hate me but love you?"

Life replied "Because I am the beautiful lie, and you are the painful truth."

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
59. One of my pet peeves too
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:11 PM
Sep 2022

makes me grind my teeth. It's a religious thing, passed on to another life. Hogwash.

canuckledragger

(1,636 posts)
61. Because death is abrupt and final.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:11 PM
Sep 2022

And it hurts those of us that are left behind.

Using different language for it helps us deal with the loss. My personal phrase for is 'not around any more.

...as in I have a number of friends and family members that aren't around any more, a few by choice. And it's those ones that left by choice that hurt the most, knowing the circumstances behind their choices. If only they would've reached out and tried to talk to someone.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
92. Only the date
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:09 PM
Sep 2022

The paradox is that life is a death sentence - the dated time and manner are all that are unknown.


Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
64. Is it really a problem?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:18 PM
Sep 2022

Fear of it just being over and wrapping your head around it, it is like Torture Yourself for Dummies page 2?

One on One at least generically a subject not often breached and potentially awkward AF, and who wants that?

Some people have a hard time with any negativity or darkness?

In other words, it is complicated?





Martin68

(22,794 posts)
65. I often us the word. However, I think it's a little harsh for a spouse or child of someone who just
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:19 PM
Sep 2022

died to use the word about their loved on so soon after their loss. We all take a shit on a daily basis, but we usually use a euphemism to soften the effect.

gibraltar72

(7,503 posts)
69. I was in the insurance business for most of my working life.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:36 PM
Sep 2022

Most people would say "if something happens to me" all sorts of other euphemisms, but that was the favorite.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
70. Well I'll happily eventually escape the question itself.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:37 PM
Sep 2022

Whatever troubles I have I will escape. It's always been some comfort, particularly in times I was more or less afraid to live.

We're running out of time to prevent the Con from escaping as we all escape though. I'm hoping for him to live...

...in a prison cell.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
71. Serious question.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:42 PM
Sep 2022

Do you really think that those who use “passed” are not aware of death?

How about kicked the bucket, bought the farm, taking the long dirt nap, croak, etc? English is a wonderful language with thousands of these phrases.

I’m sure other languages have them too, but English is really unparalleled in its synonyms for almost everything.

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
72. I don't get it either.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 03:45 PM
Sep 2022

When my parents died, I told people they died. When my brother died, I told people he died. When my sister died, I told people she died. When my dogs or cats died, I told people they died. That’s what they did.

I have only said “lost” on one occasion, which was when one of our cats went missing and we really did lose him. We don’t know if he died. If he had died and we knew it, we’d have said he died.

To me, there is really no way to sugarcoat it. Death is death and it ain’t going to hurt less by saying someone passed or passed away or we lost them or they went to a better place or whatever. But that’s just me…

skip fox

(19,357 posts)
76. malaise, I was just thinking of an adjacent issue.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:03 PM
Sep 2022

At almost 76 with a bad heart I'll be dead soon enough. Doesn't bother me. I may have already died one: my first heart attack. If so, I'm here to report I saw nothing. Not a damned thing. And I was not dissatisfied. Of course I might have just passed out or somehow came to before the flames began, as I joked with my students. But, seriously, nothing was just alright with me. And it remains so.

The issue I was thinking about, however, is how the word "death" is just a tad deceptive. "Death" implies a state. But if death is not a state, if it's the purest absence, nothing squared, wouldn't it be more accurate to call it "post-existence"? Or when there's no time, how can there be a "post"? So even that's deceptive. Maybe "outside-existence"? But if there's nothing, how can there be . . . etc.

(This is was an undergraduate philosophy minor will get you.)

malaise

(268,968 posts)
88. You mean you didn't see that bright light.?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:03 PM
Sep 2022

😀
Like you I’m fine with nothing- it’s what I expect. I celebrate every day by exercising and thanking my ancestors for giving me a healthy body. Of course it’s not what it was but I am very glad I was born and So far I’ve been very happy most of the time. And I will die and it will be as normal as living. 😀😀😀

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
78. I say passed, bucause that is exactly what I believe happens
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:11 PM
Sep 2022

We pass over into a different state of being. And no, I'm not a Christian.

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
79. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. I sort of look forward to
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:14 PM
Sep 2022

returning to a body-less soul of energy in a form that might be able to teleport and/or drift unimpeded through time and space, maybe with sensory properties to see what happened after I lost bodily life and a limbic system. I expect life to be harder and more complicated in the future, and DH and I had beloved, loving daughters who will prove more important than ever in surviving the tomorrows of purpose--whatever comes.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
94. I believe we leave some of our energy with family and those we touched along the way
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

but I think my being ends with death and I’m fine with that.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
93. I dunno. Why do people have to post hurricane forecasts on a political board
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:12 PM
Sep 2022

As if those of us on the coasts have no clue?

Same thing....people just do what they do. You be you.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
100. I believe it is to soften a very painful loss
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:36 PM
Sep 2022

I believe it is to soften a very painful loss… People who truly love someone grief or miss them forever when they die. I have always preferred Cremation and found Burial to be creepy. I think Cremation is probably better for the environment I’m not sure.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
101. Part of what I do is talk about death
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 05:51 PM
Sep 2022

I have talked to hundreds, if not thousands, of people over the years about death in discussing Irish wakes. Many want a more open acceptance of death as part of life instead of the hush-it-away style common in the US. I admit my sample is self-selecting; quite a few people scurry by, weirded out by any mention of death!
You are not alone in your puzzlement.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
104. I agree with you.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:27 PM
Sep 2022

It always sounds weird to me when people say, "I just lost my husband/mother whatever." I always want to say, "Do you want me to help you find him?"

I haven't lived in my home state for decades but I do go on the local newspaper's website and occasionally read the obituaries to see if I know any of them. It's a small, sort of rural place, probably mostly a read area and mostly religious. Some of the obituaries just make me laugh how they avoid the word "die". "Joe went to be with the Father and the Son." Huh? "Mary is now making her famous banana bread for her Lord and Savior." Seriously?

Before my father died he always told us that he wanted to be buried with a beer and a cigar and have "Beer Barrel Polka" played at his funeral. No, we didn't do that, but we still laugh about it.

Like you, I'm not afraid of death. I am afraid of a long, drawn out painful end though. I've lived the majority of my life and it's been mostly very good. I told my kids to cremate me and spread my ashes at the hiking trails that I frequent. Or spread them in my garden for fertilizer. Or plant them with a new tree somewhere.

Humans have a hard time envisioning their own demise. It's part of being human.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
105. I don't plan to have a long and drawn out
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:34 PM
Sep 2022

painful end. If that's my only option, I'll sort that out my way.

Love your post- and yes many humans can't contemplate death

llmart

(15,536 posts)
106. Agree.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:05 PM
Sep 2022

A friend of mine who's considerably older than I am and takes a lot of meds told me that she'll "stockpile some for me" if I "ever need them". She knows my thoughts on dying long, painful deaths. It's inhumane and not for me.

Remember the book "Final Exit"? I'm surprised that the GOP evangelicals haven't banned that one.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
108. I go the other way.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:17 PM
Sep 2022

I am almost callous about death. Oh it isn't like I'm eager to die. At anything under 70 I'd fight it within reason - and have. At over 80 it depends on what is trying to take me out if I decide to let doctors fight for me. I'm not interested in expensive heroics. With modern medicine, sometimes they prolong the dying process instead of prolong life.

If I die, I die. It's just my turn. Everybody gets one.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
109. Is "deceased" okay?
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 01:39 AM
Sep 2022

My father died in 1988, my mother in 1996. When someone asks about my parents, I might say, "They're both deceased," or "They're no longer living," or "They died a while back." I don't consider any of those things to be euphemisms. They all state the facts quite clearly, and which one I happen to use on a given occasion is pretty random. I don't think I've ever just said, "My parents are dead," though. I'm not sure why, but for some reason, it just doesn't sound right to me.

I've never really thought about it before now, but it really doesn't bother me when people do use euphemisms for death. What words somebody uses doesn't really register with me, just the fact that somebody has died. I don't care if someone tells me about a death by saying the person
"passed away," or that they "kicked the bucket" or "bought the farm," or that someone's pet "crossed over the Rainbow Bridge." They're all just figures of speech, afaic. What matters is that I know what they mean, and they know I know.

We all have our pet peeves, but that just isn't one of mine.

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