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Why are so many people afraid to use the words dying, die, died or dead when one of them is needed. The quintessential philosophical truth is that everything that lives eventually dies. Why are people so afraid to use those words?
We will all die and unless we are cremated or preserved in chemicals, we too will rot in our graves like the millions who died before us.
OLDMDDEM
(1,572 posts)PJMcK
(22,035 posts)Guess who I want to be dead!
malaise
(268,968 posts)😀😀
EYESORE 9001
(25,933 posts)No flowery euphemisms or cosmetic augmentations can alter the facts.
malaise
(268,968 posts)mind-blowing
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't think it's the least bit harsh or disrespectful to say someone has died. I see no need for terms like "passed" or "no longer with us".
malaise
(268,968 posts)and changes nothing- we live and we die
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I do hope you wouldnt think their beliefs were. beyond stupid.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)Pass is a transitive verb: whenever I hear someone say he or she passed, I want to complete the sentence: passed what? passed gas? passed the finish line? passed GO and collected $200?
Die is a perfectly serviceable word, and I think we tend to avoid using it because it is so dark and final - not to mention brutish, nasty and short.
pandr32
(11,581 posts)I wish it wasn't such a taboo subject. If we were more open about death as a natural part of everything there would likely be less anxiety about it. As a child it terrified me. If only we could make end of life more comfortable, accepted, and supported. Dying with dignity could happen.
We might also value life more
gab13by13
(21,323 posts)he says, hey, Jow just tipped over.
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)and so will the rest of us
KPN
(15,643 posts)Its one of the only times when we are all equal when we are dead. Death is the great equalizer.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Reality is all things that live will die. That is true of people, animals, plants and non-organisms like philosophies, religions, perceptions, cultural norms, etc.
Even perceptions of wealth and "earned" versus "deserved" versus "fair/unfair". Once dead the present becomes the forever and the future ends.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)Wrestlefire769
(84 posts)Too many losses, too many losses close to home.
That may not be the more normal reason for your question (probably, more commonly, fear of them going), but there you go.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)We can slam the coffin lid down or we can lower it gently.
In particular, saying someone has passed really alludes to the greater issue of how temporary our existence is here, how when we're here we're really just "passing through."
mopinko
(70,090 posts)not the end, just another passage on the journey.
malaise
(268,968 posts)relative, friend or colleague. While they were alive, I tried my best to make them comfortable and let them know they were loved. When they stopped breathing I was OK with telling others that so and so died. That is what happened.
Using passed and other euphemisms is relatively new - we never used to be afraid of using the words I mentioned.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Read how the people of Botswana speak of their dead.
Many, many, many cultures have euphemisms for death, and I assure you its nothing new.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)my great grand and ggrandparents are buried a mile form where i live.
it's a lovely place, on the shore of lake mich, full of irishmen. it gives me great peace.
only problem is every time i go, i hear the call of home even louder.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I wasnt talking to you in that response, but totally understand what youre saying.
The OP has me flummoxed. Many cultures deal with death differently.
Many of my relatives are Irish. Passed is used quite a bit.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Sometimes I ask specific ancestors for advice but I dont expect an answer. Sometimes I just say hi but I know they are dead.
question everything
(47,476 posts)was viewed as a natural event.
Today many of us are spread across the globe. When family members are getting old and sick we transfer them to homes, or hospitals or hospices. And too often we are not present to even say good bye. And this was before Covid.
Eight years ago my spouse rushed to his mother's hospital bed, half a country away. I stayed behind. She was 91, I think. And she had had enough. She even refused the technicians who came to withdraw blood.
Spouse arrived on time and she did recognize him, just "oh, wow."
Later he called me, and said: when I was young, she taught me how to walk. And now she taught me how to die. And we both choked.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Thanks
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mopinko
(70,090 posts)it's final. but most of us hope this life isnt all there is.
so we dont want to say it, or hear it.
in a way, it isnt accurate.
malaise
(268,968 posts)I will never get it.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)the death of a loved 1 marks a passage for the survivors, too.
we vow to hold them in our hearts, to never rly let them die.
in many ways, death is not final, or immutable.
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)The death of a loved one is not something we get through or get past. We go on but we are not the same. I think we all need to deal with it in the best way we can. I don't understand why it should bother others how anybody else addresses death. Some religions dwell on it. They're whole reason for being is to die and serve their god for an eternity. Doing what, I have no idea!
piddyprints
(14,642 posts)More than anyone in my life except my husband and kids. I was with him when he died, holding his hand. Id been with him in hospice for 2 weeks, sleeping in a cot beside his bed. It was and still is painful, 12 years later. But its not more painful because I say he died and I doubt it would be less painful if I said he passed it passed away. Actually, hed be pissed off if I said hed passed. He wasnt afraid of death or the language.
He lives in my memories, but he is dead. Nothing will change that.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Most of us were with her in the hospital. She is dead but beautiful memories live on as does a fabulous pressure cooker that she bought me two years before she died. Its just a pot now but it was a high end Italian one (that I could never afford) and its beautiful stainless steel reminds me of her ability to buy great stuff at the best sales.
I miss her but its not painful the way it was for the first few years.
piddyprints
(14,642 posts)You have a beautiful pot and memories from her gift. We inherited my brother's cat, who is 19 now. I expect to feel a new pang when she dies, but I'm absolutely sure he would be thrilled that she's had such a good, long life. Whenever she does something particularly cute, I find myself wanting to call him to tell him about it.
The first few years were rough for me too. I don't think I'll ever stop missing him. Hold onto those wonderful memories.
malaise
(268,968 posts)who touched our lives.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Euphemisms do not help those who grieve.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)How so?
calimary
(81,238 posts)Sometimes when someone's grieving, seems to me it's not the observer's place to underscore the bad news. There's that old saying about going "gently into that good night." Sometimes these things have to be handled with great care, gentleness, and sensitivity.
calimary
(81,238 posts)And how you greet that reality - THEIR reality, on THEIR behalf. It's not your call - at least not until you are the one in mourning.
But hey, that's just my opinion, for whatever that's worth.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)Do not go gentle into that good night.
calimary
(81,238 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Others can do whatever they wish.
It is my opinion on the matter.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Whatever gives a person comfort is fine with me.
I cant imagine caring what word someone uses to describe it. The Navaho avoided even speaking of the dead.
Many cultures have very different views of death and how its handled.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)StarryNite
(9,444 posts)Sogo
(4,986 posts)Aristus
(66,328 posts)Take your pick: passed away, passed on, gone home to glory, went to his/her rest, went to be with the angels, flew up into the clouds to be with Jesus, etc.
Ugh.
And I swear by all that is holy, if any member of my family puts in my obituary that Aristus has GONE FISHIN, I will come back and haunt them so hard, it will make Poltergeist look like a Casper cartoon.
malaise
(268,968 posts)flowers on her grave. She said she wanted all her flowers while she could see them.
In It to Win It
(8,248 posts)Personally, I don't mind the words dead, died, dying or any other tense of the word.
I used "softer" language like "passed away" to show compassion.
malaise
(268,968 posts)dead?
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I think part of it has to do with modern society's denial of the life cycle. We store elderly relatives in "old folks homes," and television focuses on "beautiful" young and healthy people.
For whatever reason, your OP reminded me of my father's calling hours. Two of my closest friends approached me, and asked, "How are you doing?" I replied, "Oh, not too good. Don't know if you heard, but my father died." (Both responded, "Fuck you!," which lightened the atmosphere.
For my own part, I want to hold my calling hours while I'm still alive. I'll lay very still in my coffin pose, and listen to what people have to say about me.
malaise
(268,968 posts)and that coffin pose cracked me up. Im heading to the Anatomy Department of a hospital 😀😀😀
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I said that I wanted to be cremated. The driveway here gets icy in the winter, and I said I want my ashes used on it.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Literally😀😀
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)And absolutely ignoring how many cultures handle death differently.
No one way is correct.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,733 posts)It doesn't change things one bit. When my 41-year-old nephew died last October after falling off a ladder and having a massive TBI, I wanted to slap everyone who said things like "passed away", "gone home" or "left to be with his maker".
It did nothing to relieve my grief at his loss. Nor was it comforting and won't bring him back.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)You are correct, however, that death comes to us all....
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)As a hospital RN for 37 years. I used the word "died". The event requires clarity and it can be done calmly and with compassion. I have heard many say "passed" or "passed away", but I prefer accuracy.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,340 posts)malaise Crossed Over and is now Pining For The Fjords.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)talked about people passing during her stories.
I too find euphemisms for dying difficult personally but have come to accept that not everyone is able to handle that. I just let it go.
That being said I will watch the coverage of Queen Elizabeths life, just a little show of honor and respect.
Anyway Jeanne Robertson had a great story I love where she included the topic of death and how they view it in the South while discussing the disaster that was sending her husband to the grocery store.
cksmithy
(231 posts)Thanks for posting.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Thanks for the video
40RatRod
(532 posts)...lying inside of it so he could see how he would look.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)when speaking of death. He was a pastoral counselor and often said that death is normal and saying passed is a way to lessen the blow of finality. But in healing it is often necessary to address it head on. He also used to joke that Jesus didn't pass away for our sins. He freakin died!
As an atheist I'm not fond of the word passed because of the connotation but I can understand how close family members might need to use it to lessen the blow of death.
TeamProg
(6,124 posts)saying "Jesus was MURDERED for our sins". Doesn't it?
Calling your brother and saying "Dad passed away last night" sounds better than "Dad died last night". Doesn't it? But some people might add the word "finally" into that last example.
The life has passed, I don't mean that the person passed into "heaven".
Emile
(22,707 posts)or will I go asleep one night and never wake up. I'm hoping I will go in my sleep. One thing I do know is that we all die.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)malthaussen
(17,193 posts)The answer is, I think, pretty simple though: life is an exercise in denial.
-- Mal
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Her family all refer to a homegoing. And they always use the word passed.
As a white Anglo Saxon, it was new to me, but Ive come to like it.
Does that bother you too?
pwb
(11,261 posts)Not me, I am about ready to see what is next.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Ive ever heard.
He said: Why fear death? Its the most beautiful adventure that life gives us.
I read that years ago, and its always stuck with me.
malaise
(268,968 posts)TeamProg
(6,124 posts)Say I call an old but out of touch friend. A relative answers the phone so I ask to speak with him/her and the relative says "he's dead". Though it's true, it's still a bit on the crude side as opposed to saying "he passed away" or "he's no longer living".
See how that works?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Very well put.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)Body language, facial expression or voice - tone, volume, or being sharp or short with your words can imply cruelty and contempt even where none was intended. Where one person might have just wanted to convey a fact, the recipient might see it in a very different way.
Of course taken to extremes we can talk about people being snowflakes or politically correct. I try for the middle ground and take my cues from the person Im talking to.
Not always successfully. Ever regret sending that email that was truthful but way worse than what you wanted to convey? lol!
What a vibrant, joyous but complex world we live in.
MadScot
(16 posts)of how one day Death asked Life "Why does everyone hate me but love you?"
Life replied "Because I am the beautiful lie, and you are the painful truth."
malaise
(268,968 posts)😀
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)makes me grind my teeth. It's a religious thing, passed on to another life. Hogwash.
canuckledragger
(1,636 posts)And it hurts those of us that are left behind.
Using different language for it helps us deal with the loss. My personal phrase for is 'not around any more.
...as in I have a number of friends and family members that aren't around any more, a few by choice. And it's those ones that left by choice that hurt the most, knowing the circumstances behind their choices. If only they would've reached out and tried to talk to someone.
malaise
(268,968 posts)The paradox is that life is a death sentence - the dated time and manner are all that are unknown.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Fear of it just being over and wrapping your head around it, it is like Torture Yourself for Dummies page 2?
One on One at least generically a subject not often breached and potentially awkward AF, and who wants that?
Some people have a hard time with any negativity or darkness?
In other words, it is complicated?
Martin68
(22,794 posts)died to use the word about their loved on so soon after their loss. We all take a shit on a daily basis, but we usually use a euphemism to soften the effect.
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)Most people would say "if something happens to me" all sorts of other euphemisms, but that was the favorite.
NNadir
(33,516 posts)Whatever troubles I have I will escape. It's always been some comfort, particularly in times I was more or less afraid to live.
We're running out of time to prevent the Con from escaping as we all escape though. I'm hoping for him to live...
...in a prison cell.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Do you really think that those who use passed are not aware of death?
How about kicked the bucket, bought the farm, taking the long dirt nap, croak, etc? English is a wonderful language with thousands of these phrases.
Im sure other languages have them too, but English is really unparalleled in its synonyms for almost everything.
piddyprints
(14,642 posts)When my parents died, I told people they died. When my brother died, I told people he died. When my sister died, I told people she died. When my dogs or cats died, I told people they died. Thats what they did.
I have only said lost on one occasion, which was when one of our cats went missing and we really did lose him. We dont know if he died. If he had died and we knew it, wed have said he died.
To me, there is really no way to sugarcoat it. Death is death and it aint going to hurt less by saying someone passed or passed away or we lost them or they went to a better place or whatever. But thats just me
bigtime
(724 posts)NT
skip fox
(19,357 posts)At almost 76 with a bad heart I'll be dead soon enough. Doesn't bother me. I may have already died one: my first heart attack. If so, I'm here to report I saw nothing. Not a damned thing. And I was not dissatisfied. Of course I might have just passed out or somehow came to before the flames began, as I joked with my students. But, seriously, nothing was just alright with me. And it remains so.
The issue I was thinking about, however, is how the word "death" is just a tad deceptive. "Death" implies a state. But if death is not a state, if it's the purest absence, nothing squared, wouldn't it be more accurate to call it "post-existence"? Or when there's no time, how can there be a "post"? So even that's deceptive. Maybe "outside-existence"? But if there's nothing, how can there be . . . etc.
(This is was an undergraduate philosophy minor will get you.)
malaise
(268,968 posts)😀
Like you Im fine with nothing- its what I expect. I celebrate every day by exercising and thanking my ancestors for giving me a healthy body. Of course its not what it was but I am very glad I was born and So far Ive been very happy most of the time. And I will die and it will be as normal as living. 😀😀😀
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)We pass over into a different state of being. And no, I'm not a Christian.
Backseat Driver
(4,392 posts)returning to a body-less soul of energy in a form that might be able to teleport and/or drift unimpeded through time and space, maybe with sensory properties to see what happened after I lost bodily life and a limbic system. I expect life to be harder and more complicated in the future, and DH and I had beloved, loving daughters who will prove more important than ever in surviving the tomorrows of purpose--whatever comes.
malaise
(268,968 posts)but I think my being ends with death and Im fine with that.
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)As if those of us on the coasts have no clue?
Same thing....people just do what they do. You be you.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I believe it is to soften a very painful loss People who truly love someone grief or miss them forever when they die. I have always preferred Cremation and found Burial to be creepy. I think Cremation is probably better for the environment Im not sure.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)I have talked to hundreds, if not thousands, of people over the years about death in discussing Irish wakes. Many want a more open acceptance of death as part of life instead of the hush-it-away style common in the US. I admit my sample is self-selecting; quite a few people scurry by, weirded out by any mention of death!
You are not alone in your puzzlement.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Thanks for your input
llmart
(15,536 posts)It always sounds weird to me when people say, "I just lost my husband/mother whatever." I always want to say, "Do you want me to help you find him?"
I haven't lived in my home state for decades but I do go on the local newspaper's website and occasionally read the obituaries to see if I know any of them. It's a small, sort of rural place, probably mostly a read area and mostly religious. Some of the obituaries just make me laugh how they avoid the word "die". "Joe went to be with the Father and the Son." Huh? "Mary is now making her famous banana bread for her Lord and Savior." Seriously?
Before my father died he always told us that he wanted to be buried with a beer and a cigar and have "Beer Barrel Polka" played at his funeral. No, we didn't do that, but we still laugh about it.
Like you, I'm not afraid of death. I am afraid of a long, drawn out painful end though. I've lived the majority of my life and it's been mostly very good. I told my kids to cremate me and spread my ashes at the hiking trails that I frequent. Or spread them in my garden for fertilizer. Or plant them with a new tree somewhere.
Humans have a hard time envisioning their own demise. It's part of being human.
malaise
(268,968 posts)painful end. If that's my only option, I'll sort that out my way.
Love your post- and yes many humans can't contemplate death
A friend of mine who's considerably older than I am and takes a lot of meds told me that she'll "stockpile some for me" if I "ever need them". She knows my thoughts on dying long, painful deaths. It's inhumane and not for me.
Remember the book "Final Exit"? I'm surprised that the GOP evangelicals haven't banned that one.
spanone
(135,830 posts)I think we're all just whistling past the graveyard every day....
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I am almost callous about death. Oh it isn't like I'm eager to die. At anything under 70 I'd fight it within reason - and have. At over 80 it depends on what is trying to take me out if I decide to let doctors fight for me. I'm not interested in expensive heroics. With modern medicine, sometimes they prolong the dying process instead of prolong life.
If I die, I die. It's just my turn. Everybody gets one.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)My father died in 1988, my mother in 1996. When someone asks about my parents, I might say, "They're both deceased," or "They're no longer living," or "They died a while back." I don't consider any of those things to be euphemisms. They all state the facts quite clearly, and which one I happen to use on a given occasion is pretty random. I don't think I've ever just said, "My parents are dead," though. I'm not sure why, but for some reason, it just doesn't sound right to me.
I've never really thought about it before now, but it really doesn't bother me when people do use euphemisms for death. What words somebody uses doesn't really register with me, just the fact that somebody has died. I don't care if someone tells me about a death by saying the person
"passed away," or that they "kicked the bucket" or "bought the farm," or that someone's pet "crossed over the Rainbow Bridge." They're all just figures of speech, afaic. What matters is that I know what they mean, and they know I know.
We all have our pet peeves, but that just isn't one of mine.