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lpbk2713

(42,772 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:14 PM Sep 2022

President Biden orders flags at half staff after the passing of HRH



President Joe Biden issued a proclamation hours after the death of Queen Elizabeth II ordering all flags at U.S. federal and military facilities to fly at half staff as “as a mark of respect,” one of several symbolic gestures around the globe to honor the influential tenure of the 96-year-old sovereign.


Link: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-09-08/biden-orders-flags-at-half-staff-as-world-reels-from-death-of-queen-elizabeth-ii


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President Biden orders flags at half staff after the passing of HRH (Original Post) lpbk2713 Sep 2022 OP
Nice. Civility in the US. Who'd a thunk it? LakeArenal Sep 2022 #1
It is the right thing to do, because it is the right thing to do, but also, it will drive the Qs Chainfire Sep 2022 #2
+1 peppertree Sep 2022 #16
I'm going to miss this Queen. Hugin Sep 2022 #3
Minority view: I mislike it. malthaussen Sep 2022 #4
foreign dignitaries Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #5
Thanks for this info, Behind the Aegis. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #7
I'm surprised how much it has saddened me.... Blue_playwright Sep 2022 #8
Seems very fitting to me given who she was and our relationship to the UK. Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #28
Awwww, that is incredibly touching! ShazzieB Sep 2022 #29
The flag wasn't dipped obamanut2012 Sep 2022 #6
I spent 30 Years in the Navy BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #9
Exactly. James48 Sep 2022 #14
And yet they display it BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #18
They don't either liberal N proud Sep 2022 #19
She was the titular head of one of our strongest allies. niyad Sep 2022 #13
She was HM not HRH... gagarux Sep 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Sep 2022 #12
here Celerity Sep 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Sep 2022 #25
it is literally in the title of the OP (and it is wrong anyway, she was addressed as Her Majesty, Celerity Sep 2022 #26
My apologies. I never looked at the title. niyad Sep 2022 #27
I saw several flags in yards and at businesses, also flying half staff. niyad Sep 2022 #11
Class act. Pepsidog Sep 2022 #15
The UK did the same for JFK nt. Pluvious Sep 2022 #17
Meanwhile EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #20
But what is "HRH" ??? DemocraticPatriot Sep 2022 #21
Her Royal Highness, which NOT what the Queen was called, she was addressed as Her Majesty Celerity Sep 2022 #23
Her Royal Highness. It's not a DU acronym. nolabear Sep 2022 #24

Chainfire

(17,734 posts)
2. It is the right thing to do, because it is the right thing to do, but also, it will drive the Qs
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:42 PM
Sep 2022

over the top!

peppertree

(21,711 posts)
16. +1
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:05 PM
Sep 2022

Half of Repugs literally believe "we are still a British colony" because "the street signs are in (gulp!) ALL CAPS!"

So you know this will drive them bonkers.

Good.




Hugin

(33,222 posts)
3. I'm going to miss this Queen.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:48 PM
Sep 2022

Not many words at the moment and I'm lost in thought.

I'm glad our current and former Presidents and other Leaders of State have been so eloquent with their sympathies on this somber day.

malthaussen

(17,235 posts)
4. Minority view: I mislike it.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:50 PM
Sep 2022

QE2 was not our Queen. We do not dip our flag to other nations, similarly, we should not dip it to other heads of state. But nobody really cares about flag etiquette anymore anyway, so I suppose it makes no difference.

-- Mal

Behind the Aegis

(54,044 posts)
5. foreign dignitaries
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:57 PM
Sep 2022
The president may order the flag to be flown at half-staff to mark the death of other
officials, former officials, or foreign dignitaries. In addition to these occasions, the
president may order half-staff display of the flag after other tragic events.


https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/halfstaff.pdf



US flags lowered for Mandela, rare honor for a foreign leader

When President Obama ordered the American flag to fly at half-staff in honor of Nelson Mandela, it was an honor only rarely bestowed upon a foreign leader.

President George W. Bush ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the passing of Pope John Paul II in 2005, President Bill Clinton did so for Yitzhak Rabin (1995) and King Hussein of Jordan (1999), and President Ronald Reagan honored Anwar Sadat in 1981, but the historical precedent most often cited is President Lyndon Johnson’s bestowal of the honor in recognition of the passing of Winston Churchill in 1965.

President Johnson’s act was the topic of front-page articles in newspapers across the country – with many of those articles noting that what was widely touted as a first-ever honor for a foreigner was in a sense bestowed upon at least a half-American, since Churchill’s mother was American. Another point repeatedly made was that Congress had granted the wartime British leader honorary American citizenship.

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ShazzieB

(16,620 posts)
7. Thanks for this info, Behind the Aegis.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:13 PM
Sep 2022

I did not have a problem with the flags AT ALL, but I appreciate it even more with all of this context.

I loved that old girl, and I still can't quite believe she's really gone. *sigh*

BOSSHOG

(37,150 posts)
9. I spent 30 Years in the Navy
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:17 PM
Sep 2022

I care about and practice flag etiquette. It’s what real Patriots do, not trump supporters. I have no idea why trump supporters display our flag.

BOSSHOG

(37,150 posts)
18. And yet they display it
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:11 PM
Sep 2022

Along side the confederate flag and the nazi flag and they get all teary eyed on the 4th of July, taking a day off to eat hot dogs and shoot fireworks and then get back to the business of destroying everything our flag stands for. And we and them are doing exactly what the Russians want us to do.

GO ARMY My Friend.

liberal N proud

(60,352 posts)
19. They don't either
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:12 PM
Sep 2022

The o mmm my reason they display the flag is because their cult leader wrapped himself in it literally

Response to gagarux (Reply #10)

Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Celerity

(43,709 posts)
26. it is literally in the title of the OP (and it is wrong anyway, she was addressed as Her Majesty,
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:42 PM
Sep 2022

not Her Royal Highness.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Highness#United_Kingdom

In British constitutional law, use of the style HRH or simply "Royal Highness" may only be conferred by letters patent and only to children of the monarch's son. It is typically associated with the rank of prince or princess (although this has not always applied, an exception being Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, who received the style in 1947 prior to his marriage to Princess Elizabeth but was not formally created a British prince until 1957). When a prince has another title such as Duke (or a princess the title of Duchess), they may be called HRH The Duke of ....

For instance HRH The Duke of Connaught was a prince and a member of the royal family, while a non-royal duke such as The Duke of Devonshire is not a member of the royal family, but is a member of the peerage. When Edward VIII abdicated the throne in 1936 he was granted the style and title, HRH The Duke of Windsor. The woman he then married became the Duchess of Windsor, but she was denied the style HRH. Edward for much of the rest of his life attempted unsuccessfully to persuade the crown to grant her the style.

According to letters patent issued by King George V in 1917, the sons and daughters of sovereigns and the male-line grandchildren of sovereigns are entitled to the style. It is for this reason that the daughters of the Duke of York, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie, carry the HRH status, but the children of Anne, Princess Royal, Peter Phillips and Zara Tindall, do not. The children of the Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex, at the request of the Earl and Countess of Wessex, are styled as the children of an earl, and thus are known as Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor and Viscount Severn.

Under his letters patent, only the eldest son of the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales was also entitled to the style, but not younger sons or daughters of the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales. Queen Elizabeth II changed this in 2012 prior to the birth of Prince George of Cambridge so that all children of the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales would bear the style, returning to the position Queen Victoria had instituted in 1898.

There is no mention of younger living sons of a Prince of Wales, as a result of which the children of Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, Archie and Lilibet, are not automatically a prince and princess with the HRH prefix. On 18 January 2020, Queen Elizabeth II announced that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex would no longer use the style of His/Her Royal Highness due to their decision to step down as working members of the royal family, though they are still legally entitled to the style. On 13 January 2022, it was announced that Prince Andrew, Duke of York was no longer afforded the style, following a notorious lawsuit against him.

Letters patent dated 21 August 1996 stated that the wife of a member of the royal family loses the right to the style of HRH in the event of their divorce. Examples include HRH The Princess of Wales and HRH The Duchess of York whose styles changed to become Diana, Princess of Wales and Sarah, Duchess of York, respectively. These styles are in line with those of a divorced peeress.

EnergizedLib

(1,907 posts)
20. Meanwhile
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:12 PM
Sep 2022

TFG wanted to raise the White House from half staff after McCain’s passing. Only after fire and outrage from many did he finally lower it for the rest of the week.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,500 posts)
21. But what is "HRH" ???
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:15 PM
Sep 2022

I really hate the acronyms used on this site, presuming everyone else will know what the fuck you are talking about....


Laziness.


However, maybe more users are posting on this site with their cellphones (which I would never attempt to do), and then it begins to make some sense....


Celerity

(43,709 posts)
23. Her Royal Highness, which NOT what the Queen was called, she was addressed as Her Majesty
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:23 PM
Sep 2022

In British constitutional law, use of the style HRH or simply "Royal Highness" may only be conferred by letters patent and only to children of the monarch's son.

nolabear

(42,002 posts)
24. Her Royal Highness. It's not a DU acronym.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:28 PM
Sep 2022

It might not be exactly proper for the monarch but it’s a royal title bequeathed to the children and others the monarch so chooses. She’s likely better referred to as HM, Her Majesty.

You might not know it but it’s a commonly used term.

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