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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have some royalty bloodlines in my family.
From what I gathered from my grandma is quite interesting. My grandfather(who she married) told of how his great grandfather was rather a naughty king from central England. He had several wives which were my grandfathers journey began. His grandmother was born in Hungerford, England(my namesake). She supposedly came across in the early 1800s and settled in the Midwest (Iowa area). My grandfather never talked about his child, because he was orphaned and was split up with his siblings. He was kinda of a harsh man. Never spoke much. My grandma didnt know everything about, but the stories were quite interesting. She was a talker, she was German. My sister looked up our family tree and found out there was a king with the name Hungerford. He was be headed for some reason.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)Whatever may be claimed by the ignoscenti claiming cognoscenti-hood.
Their false claim says a lot.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)for treason against the king and other offenses: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/learn/histories/lgbtq-history/walter-hungerford-and-the-buggery-act/
imanamerican63
(13,785 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Lovely little town.
Nice folks. I believe it is the scene of a rare occurrence in England
a mass shooting.
EYESORE 9001
(25,932 posts)including the one baptized by St. Patrick. Me and probably several million others.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)signifying, by Divine Providence, that I, Arthur was to be King!
So, regrettably, we may have to battle this out at Court.
imanamerican63
(13,785 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)TxGuitar
(4,190 posts)Distributing swords is not a basis for a system of government.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Supreme Executive Power must be wielded by a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony?
TxGuitar
(4,190 posts)Not some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)TxGuitar
(4,190 posts)Help help! I'm being repressed!
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)TxGuitar
(4,190 posts)Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?! That's what I'm on about
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Lol.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Richard III being the last one.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Henry VIII beheaded my 12th or 13th great grandfather. He beheaded everyone who had more claim to the throne than he did.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Easy to research.
Before Henry VIII was even born.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Also, many moved to this country. Henry VIII killed hundreds of people he thought were a threat.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)His father did that.
Please.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Done
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Im sorry if your family told you that you were royalty.
Lol.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I know, you are the last of the Plantagenets, here posting on DU.
If there were only a bowing smilie
Celerity
(43,333 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Pole,_Countess_of_Salisbury#Family
Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury (14 August 1473 27 May 1541) was the only surviving daughter of George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence, a brother of Kings Edward IV and Richard III (all sons of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York), by his wife Isabel Neville. Margaret was one of just two women in 16th-century England to be a peeress in her own right (suo jure) without a husband in the House of Lords. As one of the few members of the House of Plantagenet to have survived the Wars of the Roses, she was executed in 1541 at the command of King Henry VIII, the second monarch of the House of Tudor, who was the son of her first cousin Elizabeth of York. Pope Leo XIII beatified her as a martyr for the Roman Catholic Church on 29 December 1886.
also
Alternative successions to the English and British Crown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_successions_to_the_English_and_British_Crown
Descendants of George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence
This line's claim to the Crown is based upon the argument that Edward IV was not the son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, and thus had no legitimate claim to the Crown. Therefore, when Richard was killed at the Battle of Wakefield, his claim passed first to his eldest legitimate son, Edmund, Earl of Rutland, who was executed shortly after the battle, and then to George, Duke of Clarence. Another point is that Henry VI passed a law in 1470 that should both he and his son Edward of Westminster die without further legitimate male issue, the crown was to pass to Clarence, as Henry had placed an attainder upon Edward IV. When Henry VI and Edward both died in 1471, Clarence became the legal heir of the House of Lancaster.
The current descendant of this line is Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun. The line of succession is as follows:
George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence, third son (second "legitimate" son) of Richard, 3rd Duke of York
Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick, first son of George
Margaret Pole, 8th Countess of Salisbury, daughter of George, succeeded her childless brother Edward
Henry Pole, 1st Baron Montagu, first son of Margaret
Henry Pole, second son of Henry, his elder brother Thomas died in childhood
Catherine Hastings, first daughter, succeeded her childless brother Henry
Henry Hastings, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, first son of Catherine
George Hastings, 4th Earl of Huntingdon, second son of Catherine, succeeded his childless brother Henry
Francis Hastings, first son of George
Henry Hastings, 5th Earl of Huntingdon, only son of Francis
Ferdinando Hastings, 6th Earl of Huntingdon, first son of Henry
Theophilus Hastings, 7th Earl of Huntingdon, only son of Ferdinando
George Hastings, 8th Earl of Huntingdon, second son of Theophilus, his elder brother died in childhood
Theophilus Hastings, 9th Earl of Huntingdon, third son of Theophilus, his elder brother George had no legitimate children
Francis Hastings, 10th Earl of Huntingdon, first son of Theophilus, 9th Earl
Elizabeth Rawdon, 16th Baroness Botreaux, daughter of Theophilus, her brother Francis had no legitimate children
Francis Rawdon-Hastings, 1st Marquess of Hastings, first son of Elizabeth
George Rawdon-Hastings, 2nd Marquess of Hastings, eldest legitimate son of Francis
Paulyn Rawdon-Hastings, 3rd Marquess of Hastings, first son of George
Henry Rawdon-Hastings, 4th Marquess of Hastings, second son of George, his brother Paulyn died in childhood
Edith Rawdon-Hastings, 10th Countess of Loudoun, first daughter of George, succeeded her childless brother Henry
Charles Rawdon-Hastings, 11th Earl of Loudoun, first son of Edith, died without issue
Paulyn Abney-Hastings, second son of Edith, succeeded his childless brother Charles
Edith Maud Abney-Hastings, 12th Countess of Loudoun, first daughter of Paulyn
Ian Huddleston Abney-Hastings, Lord Mauchline, only son of Edith, died in World War II without issue
Barbara Abney-Hastings, 13th Countess of Loudoun, first daughter of Edith, succeeded her childless brother Ian
Michael Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun, eldest son of Barbara
Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun, eldest son of Michael
Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Abney-Hastings,_15th_Earl_of_Loudoun
Simon Michael Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun (born 29 October 1974), styled as Lord Mauchline until 2012, is a British aristocrat living in Australia who is the current holder of the ancient Scottish noble title of Earl of Loudoun. Based on the theory of alternative succession to the throne of England presented by the 2004 documentary Britain's Real Monarch, he would have become the 'rightful king' on the death of his father.
Ancestry
Through his grandmother Barbara Huddleston Abney-Hastings, 13th Countess of Loudoun, he is directly descended from, and heir-general of George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence, brother of Edward IV and Richard III.
Trueblue1968
(17,215 posts)She was daughter of Edward VI's brother- GEORGE, DUKE OF CLARENCE.
HENRY VII beheaded her younger brother, EDWARD, Earl of Warwick.
Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury (14 August 1473 27 May 1541) was the only surviving daughter of George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence, a brother of Kings Edward IV and Richard III (all sons of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York), by his wife Isabel Neville. Margaret was one of just two women in 16th-century England to be a peeress in her own right (suo jure) without a husband in the House of Lords.[2] As one of the few members of the House of Plantagenet to have survived the Wars of the Roses, she was executed in 1541 at the command of King Henry VIII, the second monarch of the House of Tudor, who was the son of her first cousin Elizabeth of York. Pope Leo XIII beatified her as a martyr for the Roman Catholic Church on 29 December 1886.[3]
I HAVE STUDIED THESE FOLKS FOR 40+ YEARS. Ask me anything.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Was your ancient grandfather the Earl of Warwick?
I think youve got your Henrys mixed up.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)The Earl of Warwick was executed by Henry VII. He was the last in the line.
Yes Henry VIII killed quite a few, but no, not that guy.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Done with you.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Kaleva
(36,295 posts)It was sometime in the 1800s when she met her demise.
To date, no other member of the family tree has matched her fame.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)She survived by clinging to a clients large wig.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)decided we are descendants of the ancient English king Ethelred the Unready (c. 966 - 1016). I don't buy it, but when I showed this picture to my husband, he said, "Yeah, I can see it."
Thanks a bunch, darling.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)My dad was English, my mom Welsh and she used to say that to him!
Celerity
(43,333 posts)Not a king, a baron, the lowest rank of peerage in England and then the UK.
In the Peerage of England, the Peerage of Great Britain, the Peerage of Ireland and the Peerage of the United Kingdom (but not in the Peerage of Scotland), barons form the lowest rank, placed immediately below viscounts. A woman of baronial rank has the title baroness. In the Kingdom of England, the medieval Latin word barō (genitive singular barōnis) was used originally to denote a tenant-in-chief of the early Norman kings who held his lands by the feudal tenure of "barony" (in Latin per barōniam), and who was entitled to attend the Great Council (Magnum Concilium) which by the 13th century had developed into the Parliament of England. Feudal baronies (or "baronies by tenure" ) are now obsolete in England and without any legal force, but any such historical titles are held in gross, that is to say are deemed to be enveloped within a more modern extant peerage title also held by the holder, sometimes along with vestigial manorial rights and tenures by grand serjeanty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hungerford,_1st_Baron_Hungerford_of_Heytesbury
Walter Hungerford was born in 1503 at Heytesbury, Wiltshire, the only child of Sir Edward Hungerford (died 1522) of Farleigh Hungerford, Somerset, and his first wife, Jane Zouche, daughter of John, Lord Zouche of Harringworth (14591526).
Hungerford was nineteen years old at his father's death in 1522, and soon afterwards appears as squire of the body to Henry VIII. In 1529, he was granted permission to alienate part of his large estates. On 20 August 1532, John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford, whose daughter, Elizabeth, was Hungerford's third wife, wrote to Sir Thomas Cromwell stating that Hungerford wished to be introduced to him. A little later, Hussey informed Cromwell that Hungerford desired to be sheriff of Wiltshire, a desire which was gratified in 1533. Hungerford proved useful to Cromwell in Wiltshire, and in June 1535 Cromwell made a memorandum that Hungerford ought to be rewarded for his well-doing. On 8 June 1536, he was summoned to parliament as Lord Hungerford of Heytesbury.
In 1540, he, together with his chaplain, a Wiltshire clergyman named William Bird, Rector of Fittleton and Vicar of Bradford, who was suspected of sympathising with the pilgrims of grace of the north of England, was attainted by act of parliament. Hungerford was charged with employing Bird in his house as chaplain, knowing him to be a traitor; with ordering another chaplain, Hugh Wood, and one Dr. Maudlin to practise conjuring to determine the king's length of life, and his chances of victory over the northern rebels; and finally with committing offences forbidden by the Buggery Act 1533.
He was beheaded at Tower Hill on 28 July 1540, along with his patron Cromwell. It has been stated that before his execution Hungerford "seemed so unquiet that many judged him rather in a frenzy than otherwise."
Raine
(30,540 posts)they just managed to escape with their lives.