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orleans

(34,051 posts)
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 10:58 AM Sep 2022

tiedrich makes the missing documents could be at bedminster connection

holy fucking shit, on May 6, 2021, NARA asked Donald Trump to return missing documents. on May 9, 2021, Donald Trump was filmed leaving Florida with dozens of boxes, bound for Bedminster. let me repeat this: HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT. why isn't Bedminster being searched right now




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tiedrich makes the missing documents could be at bedminster connection (Original Post) orleans Sep 2022 OP
Because a warrant needs probable cause bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #1
That's Rebl2 Sep 2022 #15
There should be enough probable cause, the fact that he had them at Mar-A-Lago, that he did not Escurumbele Sep 2022 #17
+33. Harker Sep 2022 #25
Go tell a judge bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #35
Wrong. triron Sep 2022 #50
You're wrong. /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #52
Such circumstantial evidence + national security + past behavior probable cause elias7 Sep 2022 #54
When are you going to realize that they just don't want to have to convict Trump of anything and are Solomon Sep 2022 #65
And there's this cover, which was dated May 2021 per politico Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #66
Wonder what Scottish law is regarding searches. wnylib Sep 2022 #36
Isn't the Bedminster in question in New Jersey? soldierant Sep 2022 #49
Yes, Bedminster is in NJ. wnylib Sep 2022 #60
Yep. triron Sep 2022 #51
Video to follow. UCmeNdc Sep 2022 #64
One possible reason Bedminster isn't being searched right now Ocelot II Sep 2022 #2
Bedminster is where the Saudi golf tournament was, no? BComplex Sep 2022 #46
Why isn't it being searched? albacore Sep 2022 #3
Perhaps because coffins have to be handled delicately, socially & legally. Exhumations not simple Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #13
I find # 1) on your list a non-issue. The military MUST act next times the goons show up Escurumbele Sep 2022 #19
DOJ should send someone to make a 'buy' Captain Zero Sep 2022 #30
I trust the DOJ and more importantly llashram Sep 2022 #28
Better check that coffin! bamagal62 Sep 2022 #4
He "makes the connection?" Like everyone else didn't consider that documents were in Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #5
my fault--i just didn't know how to title the thread nt orleans Sep 2022 #6
NO! Not your fault, and sorry if I made it seem that way. Your title is accurate in describing Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #7
I think this a a "no duh!" moment.. agingdem Sep 2022 #23
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #8
Truth will out malaise Sep 2022 #21
Not soon enough. calimary Sep 2022 #24
Could someone in our Government KS Toronado Sep 2022 #37
Meh, pretty soon DOJ gab13by13 Sep 2022 #9
There are no documents at Bedminster 303squadron Sep 2022 #10
Yup Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #14
Maybe Rebl2 Sep 2022 #16
seriously, I don't know how anybody doesn't think he already sold info anarch Sep 2022 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author 303squadron Sep 2022 #11
Ivana ashes are buried at Bedminster in a coffin, apparently, large enough for many documents Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #12
Anyone other than Trump gab13by13 Sep 2022 #18
I have been screaming this for 3 weeks! n/t Greybnk48 Sep 2022 #22
An extra large casket that required TEN burly pallbearers! TexasBushwhacker Sep 2022 #29
Exactly! They could barely carry it! Greybnk48 Sep 2022 #34
The documents are everywhere except where they should be. Deuxcents Sep 2022 #20
Does Homeland Security need probable cause? Jakes Progress Sep 2022 #26
Genteel golf clap for all who showed up at trump's tournament to give him cover. NBachers Sep 2022 #27
Has TFG hidden documents at other properties LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #31
Not only Bedminster but the Tower and the plane. Paper Roses Sep 2022 #32
Better video of boxes Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #33
As a former corporate pilot, here is an observation .. Bo Zarts Sep 2022 #39
This will shake the world, an American President betraying his nation. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #43
Unfortunately, it's probably not gonna shake too many trumpers back awake. calimary Sep 2022 #59
Very interesting insight Bo Zarts! Read that the video company Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #53
The Proud Boys and/or Oath Keepers allowed filming of a documentary of 1/6 Bo Zarts Sep 2022 #55
wow--thanx laura! nt orleans Sep 2022 #44
I trust a copy has been sent to Agent Mike and his friends. Vinca Sep 2022 #38
Hopefully nowforever Sep 2022 #40
Which is The Bopper Sep 2022 #41
Not a doubt in my mind he's been selling State Secrets. Espionage at the Presidential level. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #42
Maybe buried with Ivana? Beartracks Sep 2022 #45
or instead of? orleans Sep 2022 #47
All the recent deaths I know of NJCher Sep 2022 #67
So does Peter Stzrok. triron Sep 2022 #48
this orleans Sep 2022 #62
K&R. This could be enormous. Old Crow Sep 2022 #56
Could be this unfortunately:(. Per Politico on FGs first year Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #61
they should start with ivanas casket dawn5651 Sep 2022 #63

Rebl2

(13,498 posts)
15. That's
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:47 AM
Sep 2022

my thinking. That’s why all his homes, buildings haven’t been searched. They have to prove probable cause.

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
17. There should be enough probable cause, the fact that he had them at Mar-A-Lago, that he did not
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:54 AM
Sep 2022

return them when asked, that he went to his club in NJ where the Saudis were at for a "LIV" golf tournament, that then he went to his apt in NY, that he also flew to his golf club in Scotland with boxes, and last but not least, that the SOB is a traitor and everyone knows it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
35. Go tell a judge
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:30 PM
Sep 2022

There exists at this moment based on what we know, zero knowledge of what is actually in those boxes that were seen being moved. Could have been ice cream cone shells. Proof. Proof. Information. Details.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
65. When are you going to realize that they just don't want to have to convict Trump of anything and are
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 09:12 AM
Sep 2022

going out of their way to avoid it if possible? It will only happen when they are forced to, not because they don't have the proof. By your standard (and some others here on DU) there will never be "proof" or " probable cause" of anything when it comes to Trump.

If they applied your rules and standards to everybody there would be no one, no one in jail for christsakes! Someone else up thread even used the phrase "proof of probable cause" which is ridiculous because the word "probable" has nothing to do with "proof". " Probable "means more likely than not. It does NOT require " proof".

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
36. Wonder what Scottish law is regarding searches.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:39 PM
Sep 2022

They are not fond of him there and might be happy to cooperate with us.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
60. Yes, Bedminster is in NJ.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 09:07 PM
Sep 2022

But I was responding to a mention of his property in Scotland as a possible hiding place, too.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
2. One possible reason Bedminster isn't being searched right now
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:02 AM
Sep 2022

is that anything found during a search would likely get tangled up in the Special Master mess. It's a different federal district, but the thing has tentacles and could affect any future searches until it's sorted. Chances are that comings and goings from Bedminster are being watched, though.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
46. Bedminster is where the Saudi golf tournament was, no?
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 05:26 PM
Sep 2022

Plenty of $$ in trump's pocket for sold intelligence.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
3. Why isn't it being searched?
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:03 AM
Sep 2022

1) The goobers are armed to the teeth and primed for violence if their cult leader is further "harassed".
2) The DOJ and FBI have enough trumper infiltrators that they are gumming up the works.
3) There isn't enough real proof to get a search warrant that will stand up to appeal. The DOJ can't count pictures from an outside source of guys moving boxes as proof.
And they don't want to try for a warrant and fail.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
13. Perhaps because coffins have to be handled delicately, socially & legally. Exhumations not simple
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:46 AM
Sep 2022

See post 12 if the reference is not clear. (Post 4 was first)

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
19. I find # 1) on your list a non-issue. The military MUST act next times the goons show up
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:59 AM
Sep 2022

on the streets carrying guns. Biden is the president now.

2) - They must protect whatever trump took to Scotland with him, or get clues to whom he has sold them to.
3) There is, they found document at mar-a-lago, and he flew to NJ where the Saudis were sponsoring a golf tournament for their new golf tour, then he went to NY, and he also flew to Scotland carrying boxes as Tidriech points out. There is a precedence of the SOB illegally moving boxes from one place to another.

"And they don't want to try for a warrant and fail." This may be the most compelling reason, but they should send someone to investigate without making it obvious he/she is investigating, undercover.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
28. I trust the DOJ and more importantly
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:34 PM
Sep 2022

AG Garland and his staff. No more 2ndguessing from me. They will not let sedition stand, even from an ex-POTUS loser like the marlago-traitor.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
5. He "makes the connection?" Like everyone else didn't consider that documents were in
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:15 AM
Sep 2022

his other properties last February?

Really, the way tfg blinds people is incomprehensible.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
7. NO! Not your fault, and sorry if I made it seem that way. Your title is accurate in describing
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:25 AM
Sep 2022

the "aha" moment people seem to be having about the other properties.

It is inconceivable that they didn't make that connection in February, but it seems like this is just occurring to many people now.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
23. I think this a a "no duh!" moment..
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:24 PM
Sep 2022

I would include Trump Tower and every property the orange maggot owns…I suspect the instant the feds started sniffing around MAL, security cameras went on the blink and documents were removed and transported…Trump may be/is a depraved malignant sociopath but he’s also a conman… he would have no problem trying to put one over on the FBI…something to brag about…

calimary

(81,232 posts)
24. Not soon enough.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:26 PM
Sep 2022

The damage he’s done to national security will have repercussions for YEARS.

And he keeps gaming the system EVERY MINUTE he still walks free.

Worst thing to happen to America since the dawn of hate radio and Pox Noise.

KS Toronado

(17,220 posts)
37. Could someone in our Government
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:48 PM
Sep 2022

put out let's say a million dollar reward and asylum to any Saudi with proof that tfg handed over
Top Secret Documents to the Saudis?

Did any SS agent see what happened at Bedminster with these boxes?

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
9. Meh, pretty soon DOJ
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:30 AM
Sep 2022

will be busy defending Trump(the office) against E. Jeanne Carroll, the lady who Trump is accused of raping in a department store change room.

Have to keep priorities straight.

No, Merrick Garland did not have to take this case, unless an official duty of the president is to defame a woman he is accused of raping.

303squadron

(545 posts)
10. There are no documents at Bedminster
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:34 AM
Sep 2022

They were already transferred to the Saudis during the LIV tournament there in July!

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
14. Yup
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:47 AM
Sep 2022

The documents are gone.

If you tell a thief to give you back your stolen goods. Then wait to go get them.....the thief sells them off so you can't find them

What they found at Mara-go-loco wasn't half of it. He took the best stuff to golf with the Saudis.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
57. seriously, I don't know how anybody doesn't think he already sold info
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:49 PM
Sep 2022

or possibly traded it for some other obligation he had, in the case of the Russians and/or Saudis.

Response to orleans (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
12. Ivana ashes are buried at Bedminster in a coffin, apparently, large enough for many documents
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:45 AM
Sep 2022

The burial next to the golf course was remarked on at the time as bizarre. It remains bizarre.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
18. Anyone other than Trump
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:55 AM
Sep 2022

and I would laugh my ass off at the thought of hiding documents in a coffin. Come to think of it, my aunt who lived in Buffalo talked about a certain mafia-associated funeral home where many coffins went out with more than one body, so the rumor goes. It is the perfect hiding place.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
34. Exactly! They could barely carry it!
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:21 PM
Sep 2022

Why would they struggle to carry an urn of ashes and an otherwise empty coffin?

Deuxcents

(16,197 posts)
20. The documents are everywhere except where they should be.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:01 PM
Sep 2022

I don’t think we’ll ever see some of them again.. btw..an awfully big coffin for a cremation 🤬

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
26. Does Homeland Security need probable cause?
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:33 PM
Sep 2022

This isn't just criminal it involves the security of the nation.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
32. Not only Bedminster but the Tower and the plane.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:16 PM
Sep 2022

He would hide anything anywhere if he thought was worth $$ and no one would know.

Bo Zarts

(25,396 posts)
39. As a former corporate pilot, here is an observation ..
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:49 PM
Sep 2022

In the lower video it appears that some of the boxes are being carried behind the Citation X(?)'s left wing to the aircraft's external baggage compartment. But some of the boxes, which look like document boxes, are being carried in front of the wing to go inside the passenger cabin of the aircraft.

After flying high-end corporate jets for a number of years, I can tell you that the American aristocracy flying on these magic carpets of speed and luxury do not like cargo or baggage in the plush cabin with them. My guess is that either the boxes going into the cabin were so damn important, or that the aft cargo compartment was full and those boxes were ordered to be carried in the cabin with the passengers ("must-ride" cargo, as it were).

It is inconceivable that the FBI is not already looking at this .. if it is half of what it is purported to be. To wit: Flight Tracker, aircraft logs, pilot logs, pilot interviews, ground support personnel interviews, interviews with people who are identifiable in the video, ATC interviews, airport and ramp surveillance videos, etc, etc.

calimary

(81,232 posts)
59. Unfortunately, it's probably not gonna shake too many trumpers back awake.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:59 PM
Sep 2022

It's DAMN HARD to admit you were wrong, much less than you were HAD - by a slicky-boy pathological and well-documented LIAR.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
53. Very interesting insight Bo Zarts! Read that the video company
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:13 PM
Sep 2022

was hired to record this event. Don't know by whom. Maybe others do by now? Once again, common honest man theory/application. If you were trying to hide the transport of important documents, would you allow it to be filmed? Or, if it's a diversionary move, hire a photographer!!!

Bo Zarts

(25,396 posts)
55. The Proud Boys and/or Oath Keepers allowed filming of a documentary of 1/6
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:32 PM
Sep 2022

Roger Stone didn't have any problems with it. Go figure!

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
38. I trust a copy has been sent to Agent Mike and his friends.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 01:49 PM
Sep 2022

They should probably look for White House silver and foreign gifts that belong to us when they go snatch them.

The Bopper

(184 posts)
41. Which is
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 02:21 PM
Sep 2022

the reason the raid should have occurred a year ago. My guess is Trumps blackmailing the government, telling them the secret stuff will go somewhere harmful if they arrest his fat azz. Occums razor folks.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
47. or instead of?
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 05:50 PM
Sep 2022

i thought she was cremated.

ashes are put into an urn.

sure, sometimes people bury the urn in a marked grave.
but i never heard of an urn going into a casket first. that would be redundant redundant

NJCher

(35,662 posts)
67. All the recent deaths I know of
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 02:35 AM
Sep 2022

Were cremations. And yes, some were buried. But of about 7, not a one was an urn in a casket.

On the other hand, trump almost always defies convention.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
56. K&R. This could be enormous.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:39 PM
Sep 2022

Godspeed, FBI. Do your jobs and good luck. An entire nation is depending on you.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
58. Could be this unfortunately:(. Per Politico on FGs first year
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:53 PM
Sep 2022

After "presidency". Happened in May 2021 ( no date)

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