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Nevilledog

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Sun Sep 11, 2022, 03:30 PM Sep 2022

Anne Applebaum: It's Time to Prepare for a Ukrainian Victory



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Russian soldiers are running away. They are leaving weapons and equipment behind, surrendering, hiding in civilian clothes.

Time to think about what happens if Ukraine wins.

theatlantic.com
It’s Time to Prepare for a Ukrainian Victory
The liberation of Russian-occupied territory might bring down Vladimir Putin.
12:05 PM · Sep 11, 2022


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/ukraine-victory-russia-putin/671405/

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Over the past six days, Ukraine’s armed forces have broken through the Russian lines in the northeastern corner of the country, swept eastward, and liberated town after town in what had been occupied territory. First Balakliya, then Kupyansk, then Izium, a city that sits on major supply routes. These names won’t mean much to a foreign audience, but they are places that have been beyond reach, impossible for Ukrainians to contact for months. Now they have fallen in hours. As I write this, Ukrainian forces are said to be fighting on the outskirts of Donetsk, a city that Russia has occupied since 2014.

Many things about this advance are unexpected, especially the location: For many weeks, the Ukrainians loudly telegraphed their intention to launch a major offensive farther south. The biggest shock is not Ukraine’s tactics but Russia’s response. “What really surprises us,” Lieutenant General Yevhen Moisiuk, the deputy commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, told me in Kyiv yesterday morning, “is that the Russian troops are not fighting back.”

Russian troops are not fighting back. More than that: Offered the choice of fighting or fleeing, many of them appear to be escaping as fast as they can. For several days, soldiers and others have posted photographs of hastily abandoned military vehicles and equipment, as well as videos showing lines of cars, presumably belonging to collaborators, fleeing the occupied territories. A Ukrainian General Staff report said that Russian soldiers were ditching their uniforms, donning civilian clothes, and trying to slip back into Russian territory. The Ukrainian security service has set up a hotline that Russian soldiers can call if they want to surrender, and it has also posted recordings of some of the calls. The fundamental difference between Ukrainian soldiers, who are fighting for their country’s existence, and Russian soldiers, who are fighting for their salary, has finally begun to matter.

That difference might not suffice, of course. Ukrainian soldiers may be better motivated, but the Russians still have far larger stores of weapons and ammunition. They can still inflict misery on civilians, as they did in today’s apparent attack on the electrical grid in Kharkiv and elsewhere in eastern Ukraine. Many other cruel options—horrific options—are still open even to a Russia whose soldiers will not fight. The nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhia remains inside the battle zone. Russia’s propagandists have been talking about nuclear weapons since the beginning of the war. Although Russian troops are not fighting in the north, they are still resisting the Ukrainian offensive in the south.

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Anne Applebaum: It's Time to Prepare for a Ukrainian Victory (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
Awesome. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #1
Can you imagine President Biden welcoming Zelenskyy to NYC for Gaugamela Sep 2022 #2
👍 Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #3
That would be fabulous!!!! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #7
If? cilla4progress Sep 2022 #4
Russia MUST pay extreme reparations. fierywoman Sep 2022 #5
This is incredible and wonderful news Jarqui Sep 2022 #6
Sure, it's good to think positive and prepare for a Ukrainian victory, but let's not put the cart liberalla Sep 2022 #8
they still control much of the south, Donetsk and Luhansk. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #9
Oh I Fervently HOPE🤷‍♂️💕🤞🤞🤷‍♂️ Cha Sep 2022 #10
I was afraid to read this article because I did not want to jinx the Ukraine offensive LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #11

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
2. Can you imagine President Biden welcoming Zelenskyy to NYC for
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 04:04 PM
Sep 2022

a ticker tape parade?

The whole RNC would go into convulsions. Biden would come off looking like Eisenhower to Zelenskyy’s Churchill.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
6. This is incredible and wonderful news
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 06:15 PM
Sep 2022

But they are fighting a very evil dictator.
Putin's political career and probably his life is on the line.
They cannot let up their guard.
And they have to continue to get help from NATO, etc.

I would never have predicted what they have been able to do.
It is truly amazing.
But this fight is not over yet.

liberalla

(9,243 posts)
8. Sure, it's good to think positive and prepare for a Ukrainian victory, but let's not put the cart
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 06:26 PM
Sep 2022

before the horse. There's much to do before we start celebrating.

Am I the only one thinking putin isn't done yet? He is vengeful and vindictive. He will drag this out as long as he can.

I just wish he would get assassinated.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
9. they still control much of the south, Donetsk and Luhansk.
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 06:54 PM
Sep 2022

i think i prepare myself pretty quickly if that changes.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
10. Oh I Fervently HOPE🤷‍♂️💕🤞🤞🤷‍♂️
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 07:03 PM
Sep 2022

SO!!

Fucking Putin & DT Need to Go DOWN!!

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