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We have stolen SCOTUS seats and a court that ignores real history to cite a 16th century witch hunter to overturn an established right. We have 6 SCOTUS justices who lied to the Senate about respecting precedent and Clarence Thomas voting to support a claim of executive privilege in a case involving his wife
Roberts and his fellow partisan hacks hate being called partisan hacks
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/john-roberts-flawed-defense-supreme-courts-legitimacy-rcna47270
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/john-roberts-flawed-defense-supreme-courts-legitimacy-rcna47270
Chief Justice John Roberts on Friday defended the authority of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution, saying its role should not be called into question just because people disagree with its decisions. When asked to reflect on the last year at the court in his first public appearance since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Roberts said he was concerned that lately some critics of the courts controversial decisions have questioned the legitimacy of the court, which he said was a mistake.
You dont want the political branches telling you what the law is. And you dont want public opinion to be the guide of what the appropriate decision is, Roberts said at a judicial conference in Colorado. He added, Yes, all of our opinions are open to criticism. In fact, our members do a great job of criticizing some opinions from time to time. But simply because people disagree with an opinion is not a basis for criticizing the legitimacy of the court.
Its tempting to dwell on the chief justices assertion that we dont want the political branches telling us what the law is. After all, our system is based on the idea that we elect lawmakers whose job entails writing laws. Perhaps well consider this in more detail in a separate post.
For now, however, lets instead direct our attention to Roberts flawed defense.
To hear the chief justice tell it, the courts critics of late lawyers, scholars, journalists, rank-and-file voters, even some sitting justices, et al. are throwing a misguided fit. Sure, were all welcome to criticize rulings we disagree with, but according to Roberts, we go too far when we question the legitimacy of the Supreme Court itself.
But I cant help but wonder whether the chief justice fully appreciates the nature and the nuances of the criticism.
no_hypocrisy
(46,093 posts)mendacity at worst, coming not only from an attorney, not only from a USSC Justice, but from the Chief Justice is appalling. Hes made a mockery of the American Judiciary.
czarjak
(11,269 posts)Too late to stop that steal? Is racism really dead?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)John Roberts and five other justices are partisan hacks
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The inflamed public reaction stems also from the fact that the law changed because the courts membership changed. The ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health Organization was the culmination of a political and politicized process to bolster the conservative majority by any means necessary. And this stacked court has time after time, but most flagrantly in overruling Roe v. Wade abandoned normal rules of restraint, twisted or ignored doctrine, and substituted raw power to achieve its desired result.
What liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor has aptly termed a restless and newly constituted court could finally work its will, and so it did. That is the very definition of an activist court, as Vice President Harris recently described it.....
Now, the court is reaping what Roberts cautioned it against sowing. The courts approval rating has tanked. And Roberts finds himself in the awkward position of defending against the very criticism he knew was coming.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)And an unelected, utterly unrepresentative one at that, I tend to agree with Roberts --- we do not want a political branch telling us what the law is, particularly not this one, which has demonstrated it has no regard whatever for the Constitution or the rule of law, but rules merely to enact legislation far too unpopular to pass in any national legislature.
In short, if the man wants his court viewed as a legitimate body, it damned well better start acting like one. Until it does, it is nothing more than a junta put in place by chicanery, and will be so regarded the citizenry.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Its the best court their money could buy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)All six of the partisan hacks who voted to overturn Roe were asked if they respected precedent, Stare decsis is a key part of our system of laws. All six of these partisan hacks lied. Overturning Roe was not done due to changed circumstances but due to the changes in the membership of the court.
Roberts is a partisan hack and his defense of the other partisan hacks is sad
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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/disregarding-precedent-can-harm-judicial-legitimacy-kagan-says?campaign=46B237C8-336C-11ED-8FDF-81DA4F017A06&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=lawdesk
Judges create legitimacy problems for themselves when they dont act like courts and when they instead stray into places that look like politics, Kagan said in remarks Monday night at the the Temple Emanu-El Streicker Center in New York.
Kagan spoke three days after Chief Justice John Roberts decried attacks on the courts legitimacy that followed the June ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health overturning the 50-year-old abortion precedent.
In her remarks, Kagan warned, if the entire legal system is up for grabs whenever one justices leaves the court and another judge comes on, that doesnt seem a lot like law, Kagan said.
Kagan outlined three key things courts can do to ensure the public will follow their rulings.
In addition to honoring precedent, she said consistently following constraining methodologies for deciding cases and deciding only what you have to are ways for judges to ensure legitimacy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)Alito's opinion ignored and rejected precedent without any justification other than the right-wing partisan hacks on the court now have the votes to overturn decisions they do not like. Each of the judges who joined Alito in this horrible decision had each swore under oath that they would follow precedent. The right-wing partisan hacks committed perjury and violated their oaths.
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https://www.courthousenews.com/with-jabs-at-her-colleagues-justice-kagan-warns-the-court-needs-to-act-like-a-court/
The high courts public approval has taken a nosedive following the overturning of Roe v. Wade in June. Since then, questions about the courts legitimacy have also ramped up. Kagan said she does not view legitimacy in terms of which opinions are popular as Chief Justice John Roberts opined on earlier this week but instead on the court doing its job.
I would say it's when a court is legitimate when it's acted like a court, Kagan said. A court does not have any warrant, does not have any rightful authority, to do anything else than act like a court. It doesn't have the authority to make political decisions. It doesn't have the authority to make policy decisions. Its authority is bounded and the court should be constantly aware of that.
To act like a court, Kagan said the court needs to follow precedent. She said judges should respect and defer to their predecessors. Kagan also said this adherence to precedent allows the public to see that the courts decisions are not all about politics.
If a new judge comes in, if there are new members of a court, and all of a sudden everything is up for grabs, all of a sudden very fundamental principles of law are being overthrown or being replaced, then people have a right to say, you know, what's going on there, that doesn't seem very lawlike, Kagan said. That just seems as though people with one set of policy views are replacing another.
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LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)maxrandb
(15,324 posts)Tell that shit to Aileen Cannon. She's completely fucking up your narrative.