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It's not a STUNT, it's a fucking CRIME (Original Post) Baltimike Sep 2022 OP
Thank you Alice Kramden Sep 2022 #1
Just ask youself: What would TX & FL do if one of us transported them through their states? TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #21
Yes! Absolutely! Roy Rolling Sep 2022 #45
exaxtly Historic NY Sep 2022 #2
Why hasn't the FBI arrested DeMantis on kidnapping charges? if..fish..had..wings Sep 2022 #3
IOKIYAR! Wednesdays Sep 2022 #7
Tsk, tsk. CrispyQ Sep 2022 #10
Hey now, there are VERY thorough investigations going on....🧐 onecaliberal Sep 2022 #17
REALLY great question. We seem unwilling or inept to indict and arrest. And I wonder WTH is going Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #47
Definitely an album in there. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #55
I find it strange that no outrage was given jimfields33 Sep 2022 #4
That was much much different fescuerescue Sep 2022 #12
Might be because De Santis sent along his own media crew this time. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #13
Which, btw, certifies him as a scheming political attention-whore. calimary Sep 2022 #33
no they don't NJCher Sep 2022 #43
Also too,.. DeSantis had these poor, unfortunate, likely indigent, starving hungry, and weary,.... magicarpet Sep 2022 #51
I think cuz the immigrants dispersed when sent to the city. CrispyQ Sep 2022 #14
Could it be that in those incidents KS Toronado Sep 2022 #16
THIS! 👍 The busses were telegraphed when they left. The MV thing was a No Knock entry. TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #22
"a No Knock entry".... perfect play of words KS Toronado Sep 2022 #26
From what I heard (on MSNBC, can't cite source)... mwooldri Sep 2022 #28
They were also being sent by governors of border sates, which Florida is not. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #36
I read that Abbott is more careful about following the law LeftInTX Sep 2022 #35
It's only "criminal" if it's a Democrat. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2022 #5
Nailed that! Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #48
Agreewe should get more people to realize this. librechik Sep 2022 #6
I agree, but we should probably be grateful they don't call it a prank. CrispyQ Sep 2022 #8
Rat Face Ron, the child snatcher! bronxiteforever Sep 2022 #9
It's both, actually. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #11
+10 nt reACTIONary Sep 2022 #52
the MAGA view: AncientOfDays Sep 2022 #15
And even worse, these two governors treated these people that they kidnapped (per the governor's SWBTATTReg Sep 2022 #18
as though asylum is illegal because they aren't white. nt Baltimike Sep 2022 #27
K&R brer cat Sep 2022 #19
Jail time would be appropriate. twodogsbarking Sep 2022 #20
It sure would...and were they Dems, they'd already be there Baltimike Sep 2022 #24
Nah Timewas Sep 2022 #23
Lazy Legacy Press BlueAJ Sep 2022 #25
+ whatever it takes to lock them up GreenWave Sep 2022 #29
TV still refers to the J6 "riot", which is spontaneous, instead of "insurrection", which is planned. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #30
Or in reality, a failed coup that came damn close to working. And here we are 21 months later Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #49
It's both of those things. nt Gore1FL Sep 2022 #31
We need to make our own headlines with the press, hadEnuf Sep 2022 #32
They are political stunts and staged events with actors pwb Sep 2022 #34
When a repug does it, it's not criminal. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #37
Argeed! Initech Sep 2022 #38
It is only a "crime" if it is prosecuted. If the DOJ ignores it is just "politics." Chainfire Sep 2022 #39
and it's only ever "just politics" when it's a repig. nt Baltimike Sep 2022 #41
C'mon ABCNNBCBS, do your job and tell the truth -- anything else is PROPAGANDA Blue Owl Sep 2022 #40
If our top law enforcement keep wearing kid gloves all the time Marthe48 Sep 2022 #42
Hmm, where on the Collins Scale does the M$M fall this time? Tommymac Sep 2022 #44
They called Roger Stone a trickster UpInArms Sep 2022 #46
and when we complain, we're over reacting...January 6 was just Baltimike Sep 2022 #57
And it's how they remain popular with the base Kablooie Sep 2022 #50
Baltimike.....I agree 100%. This also bugs me: Upthevibe Sep 2022 #53
Couldn't agree more. nt wsulik Sep 2022 #54
K and R Thanks for Posting. Stuart G Sep 2022 #56

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
45. Yes! Absolutely!
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 07:12 PM
Sep 2022

I’m no expert but aren’t crimes committed within some law enforcement jurisdiction where the crime occurs?

Wherever and whoever is in charge of that agency should have already made arrests.Why the delay? Is it an inside job? Is law enforcement part of the kidnapping plot?

This really fucking stinks…

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
10. Tsk, tsk.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:28 AM
Sep 2022
I'm sure someone is typing up a strongly worded letter as we post.

On a serious note, here's a link.

DOJ CONTACT PAGE
https://www.justice.gov/contact-us

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
17. Hey now, there are VERY thorough investigations going on....🧐
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:46 AM
Sep 2022

So many crimes, NEVER consequences. Where have we seen this before in history?

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
47. REALLY great question. We seem unwilling or inept to indict and arrest. And I wonder WTH is going
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 07:40 PM
Sep 2022

on. Are we so infiltrated by Russians that our own government is afraid to tell us? Are they so afraid of a Cult 45 "civil war" that they won't indict?
Start small then, show us all the unredacted Mueller report and let the legal experts tell us what the implications are, and then follow the crime trail.
Something? Anything? I think there's an album title there. Thanks Todd Rundgren! Stay sane onecaliberal. Peace

jimfields33

(15,787 posts)
4. I find it strange that no outrage was given
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:03 AM
Sep 2022

when buses were loaded for New York City, Chicago, Washington DC (even in front of the Vice President house!). But 50 go to Martha’s Vineyard and now the attention is everywhere.

I do know on DU, we were outraged at what was going on with the bus’ going to the cities, but for the most part we
were the main discussion. Media may have mentioned it but not like now.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
13. Might be because De Santis sent along his own media crew this time.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:36 AM
Sep 2022

The other issue is that NYC, DC and Chicago all have the infrastructure to handle busloads of people. Martha's Vineyard does not. They can be easily absorbed into those big cities, without garnering the kind of attention DeSantis and Abbott are seeking. That's not the case on a small island. Which is why he embedded his own outrage factory.

NJCher

(35,662 posts)
43. no they don't
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 04:40 PM
Sep 2022

yesterday it was discussed on our local NY public radio and a caller said she's seen them standing around, dazed. There were other examples, too, but I can't remember them all.

The Mayor's office is saying they have a handle on it but they don't.

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
51. Also too,.. DeSantis had these poor, unfortunate, likely indigent, starving hungry, and weary,....
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:30 PM
Sep 2022

... from extended travel but no place to rest their head - folks who are just looking for a way to live with a bit more dignity. Then DeSantis has the unmitigated audacity to place these poor souls on a chartered private jet and dump them at the Martha's Vineyard Airport, just off Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Please see map,.. bottom left,.. Martha's Vineyard Island just off the coast of Cape Cod, Massachusetts.



Re-THUG GQP Party FASCISTS notoriously over play the cards they have been dealt. DeSantis thought this would be a cute little "Own the Libs" - frat-boy stunt. So then everyone in the Fascist Clan could piss themselves laughing for a spell at the stupid Libs. Then the Fascists could get back to business conjuring their disgusting stunts to - they hope humiliate and "Own the Libs" again. Expect these deplorable and disgusting frat-boy RAT-FUCKING type of schemes to "Own the Libs" to come at rapid-fire pace until mid-term election day. Take a short break, then fire up the high powered shit-fest Fascist frat-boy artillery guns for the 2024 election cycle.

Remember how there was mention that Fascists have the propensity over play the hand they are dealt ? They may have stepped into the same bucket of shit once again this time. Tampering with richie rich man's paradise of Martha's Vineyard might prove to be absolute dumbest thing Ron DeSantis could do. The well heeled and well to do Liberals of Massachusetts don't take kindly to being fucked around with. Especially by a white trash red neck Fascist - like that loud mouth tRump loving DeSantis - Governor of Florida.

Few folks have been out there. But Martha's Vineyard Island is one of the top percapita income zip code in the whole USA. The big big big moneyed folk have planted they summer home/mansion flags there. Bring along their big big yachts and fancy cars and play and frolic with their families and other well to do friends there all summer. Quietly enjoying their (once very) private summer get aways, private enclaves, and beautiful scenic sea shore and ocean views to relax and unwind out of the rat race and hustle.

Then along comes red neck frat-boy DeSantis who charters a private jet - fills it with recently arrive immigrants from South America. Then proceeds to dump the plane load of kidnapped immigrants at the Martha's Vineyard Airport.

In typical Fascist red neck frat-boy style DeSantis keeps his plans all top secret. Does not call ahead to notify that a wave of in dire need for social services people are headed up north. So that social service agencies can properly prepare for the onslaught of entirely unexpected guests. Fucked in the head Fascist frat-boy DeSantis just dumps them off secretly at the airport located at ground zero - of the very well to do - very high income - a notoriously Liberal summer playground. Then makes a hasty exit with the private jet back to Florida to load up the next plane load headed to surprise - surprise - who the fuck knows where the next destination - with another kidnapped load of frightened recently arrived immigrants.

Boy oh boy - this type of conduct takes a lot of nerve - I don't care how much Fascist blood runs through your veins. This is utterly shameful what DeSantis has done - all to "Own the Libs" then have an uproarious belly laugh with his Fascist friends and Fascist political supporters.

We have not yet heard the end of this.

This was improper conduct but that is now secondary. What is or should be of primary interest is,..

What DeSantis did was not a cute frat-boy stunt.

It was way across the line and passed well into the zone of clearly criminal conduct.

DeSantis' ass belongs in jail, and he should be sued in civil court for the harm, injury, damages, and needless expenses he caused - just so he could tuck it to the Libs and royally fuck over recently arrived to our shores immigrants desperately seeking asylum.

Media reports regularly mention that in order for DeSantis to pull this criminal stunt off - DeSantis elicited and then received the help of Federal Immigration Authorities and agents from the Department of Homeland Security. It is alleged the above mentioned feds help prepare the erroneous and fraudulent paperwork then attached to the asylum applications. But the paperwork was submitted all gummed up with fraudulent entries so as to assure the asylum application was rendered void. Who are the federal worker from immigration and Homeland Security who submitted these fraudulent immigration applications to buttress DeSantis' end desire to inevitably get them deported rather than considered for asylum ?

That was a rotten thing to do. It is against the law to tamper and make fraudulent entries on federal paperwork. It is illegal to fraudulently deny an immigrant their rights to seek a legal application for asylum. Why do these fucking Fascists work for our federal government ? Why should they not be immediately terminated from employment and prosecuted for perpetrating this fraud the government and fraud against the asylum seeking applicants ?

Garland should go get all their cell phones to locate the pertinent cell call records and text message records of federal employees who enabled and assisted DeSantis or anyone within his administration to help carry out and/or execute this illegal stunt.

If we don't start to nail them and then incarcerate them to show them we mean business and intend to stop this Fascist frat-boy criminality.

The GQP THUGs will become relentless with their "Own the Libs Criminal Stunts". Come each and every election cycle 2022, then 2024, then 2026, then 2028, they will ramp up and run rampant
with this frat-boy criminality - if we don't nip it in the bud and stop them in their tracks post haste.

Enough is enough. American Democracy is teetering on the edge of the cliff. The Fascist Republican Party is near their end game where they then push Democracy over the edge of the cliff careening 600 feet down - then crashing into the rocky crevasse below. Fascism will be the the only man left standing, the only game left to play in town. Then the dawn of The New Fascist Christian Republican Party can take absolute power and control over the political and governmental systems. Unimpeded for their quest to build a perfect Fascist Christian Utopia.

We can not stand idly by watching or waiting for them to do this to our country. We must respond and react in defiance. The hope is - that it is not already too late for corrective actions to still be effective.

There is much work to be done to return Fascism to the double corked and wax sealed bottle from which it was allowed to escape. We have the Orange Fuhrer and the MAGA Meathead Morons to blame - that Fascism has once again permeated and contaminated our society in very ugly and very undesirable ways.




CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
14. I think cuz the immigrants dispersed when sent to the city.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:37 AM
Sep 2022

MV is an island & probably harder to relocate? I'm not familiar with the area, so I'm just speculating. I am surprised we haven't heard more about the people transferred to the VPs place. Was it the Observatory location or her residence in CA? At any rate, it's good to have national attention on this hateful practice.

KS Toronado

(17,220 posts)
16. Could it be that in those incidents
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:45 AM
Sep 2022

city leaders were informed about the buses beforehand and were ready to deal with them,
but these latest shenanigans they drop them off on the street with no one to greet them
but FQX news to video them? Big difference,

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
22. THIS! 👍 The busses were telegraphed when they left. The MV thing was a No Knock entry.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 12:15 PM
Sep 2022

.

100% deception was used, both with the refugees and keeping DHS, INS, Mass & MV in the dark.

.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
28. From what I heard (on MSNBC, can't cite source)...
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 12:45 PM
Sep 2022

... some of these immigrants actually wanted to be picked up by Abbott's buses and go to DC, NYC, etc where they have family. This way they don't have to pay for the Greyhound ticket themselves, Abbott is footing the bill. While I don't like it, the people on the buses know where they are going and are willing travellers.

The Martha's Vineyard is in my eyes human trafficking as the immigrants didn't know where they were going, only that they would get housing and jobs.

Yes. These immigrants were trafficked.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
36. They were also being sent by governors of border sates, which Florida is not.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 02:20 PM
Sep 2022

The fact that it was De Santis was enough to draw attention to the situation--and look into how he was able to get people onto that airplane in the first place. Last I heard, Florida does not have a huge problem with boating in, without being caught.

LeftInTX

(25,295 posts)
35. I read that Abbott is more careful about following the law
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 02:04 PM
Sep 2022


But how DeSantis carried out his version of the operation is vastly different from Abbott’s effort.

In April, Abbott directed the Texas Division of Emergency Management to charter buses to transport migrants from Texas to Washington, D.C. Emergency management officials have been working closely with nongovernmental aid agencies along the border and have made sure migrants know their rights before agreeing to be bused to Washington or elsewhere. The state provides migrants with waivers to sign in languages they can understand to make sure the state isn’t violating any laws.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Gov-DeSantis-left-Gov-Abbott-out-of-his-plan-to-17447097.php




FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
5. It's only "criminal" if it's a Democrat.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:08 AM
Sep 2022

When they do it, it is a "stunt", a "joke", a "misunderstanding".

Corporate media will never EVER treat a republicon like the criminal that they are. Ever.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
11. It's both, actually.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:31 AM
Sep 2022

The two are not mutually exclusive. What makes it a stunt is that it is being done in order to garner lots of attention. It's not much different than the assholes who are out there doing donuts in the middle of the busiest intersection in the city. As for "frames the narrative that this was something small," I'm not seeing that. Every report I'm hearing is mentioning that various authorities are looking at the possibility of criminal charges. They're also giving plenty of air time to individuals who are pointing out what shitty behavior this is.

AncientOfDays

(163 posts)
15. the MAGA view:
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:45 AM
Sep 2022

This is what the MAGAts are spewing now:
===============
Governor Ron DeSantis is a fucking genius.

The "welcoming" at the "sanctuary" went on for as long as it took to
mobilize the military and scoop up the illegal aliens and get them the
hell out of there.

No vacation homes were opened. Obama didn't open any of his spare
bedrooms.

Aidan Kearney says, "I'm in a couple Martha's Vineyard Facebook groups
and they're all turning on each other. Calling out their friends for
not letting migrants in their summer homes."

M.V. Leftists are sputting in rage about how "unchristian" it is to
ship them to their island while they're on the phone screaming to the
authorities, "I see a Mexican outside my house who isn't holding a
leaf blower!"

Too funny.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
18. And even worse, these two governors treated these people that they kidnapped (per the governor's
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:54 AM
Sep 2022

directions) horribly instead of giving aid and comfort in these people's worst time of their lives.

Having to travel on foot 100s and thousands of miles, it's not an easy thing to do, to uproot one's life, to travel on foot, grab what little they could eat, sleep, everything on foot the entire way, sometimes w/ the elderly or children.

These governors are despicable people and don't deserve to be called Americans.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
49. Or in reality, a failed coup that came damn close to working. And here we are 21 months later
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 07:48 PM
Sep 2022

spinning our fucking wheels while the funders and orchestrators laugh their asses off.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
32. We need to make our own headlines with the press,
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 01:30 PM
Sep 2022

not wait for them to "do the right thing" because they won't.

They work for GOP corporate billionaires who have a vested interest in making profits. And the GOP gives them more profits.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
34. They are political stunts and staged events with actors
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 01:45 PM
Sep 2022

that may be illegal. People don't like being played for a fool. Pukes have production companies planning all this shit. IMO.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
38. Argeed!
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 02:45 PM
Sep 2022

To me it's insane that the party that accuses everyone of being sex traffickers and pedophiles is literally not only ignoring this blatant act of human trafficking but actually attempting to sweep it under the rug. There is always an excuse with these clowns. Always.

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
42. If our top law enforcement keep wearing kid gloves all the time
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 04:29 PM
Sep 2022

do they want us to take the law into our own hands?

If cruelty isn't against the law, it should be. Seems like we have taliban wannabes living right here in the U.S.A. and their monstrous actions are tolerated by everyone who could stop them.

GOTV.

Kablooie

(18,632 posts)
50. And it's how they remain popular with the base
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:20 PM
Sep 2022

The GOOP base admires criminals now. To obey the law is considered a weakness.

Upthevibe

(8,042 posts)
53. Baltimike.....I agree 100%. This also bugs me:
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 12:23 AM
Sep 2022

"Shenanigans" when used while discussing politicians. IMHO, "shenanigans" are activities that morning D.J.'s engage in while entertaining commuters.

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