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RandySF

(59,628 posts)
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 07:02 PM Sep 2022

Russia Has No Reserves Left As Ukrainian Troops Surround A Key Eastern Town

May 27 was a dark day for Ukraine. That was the day Lyman, the last free town north of the Donets River in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas River, finally fell to Russian forces. Capturing Lyman helped the Russian army to consolidate its position in Donbas and secure supply lines across the region.

Lyman was a domino. As it fell, it knocked down Severodonetsk, the last free city east of the Donets. And as Severodonetsk fell, it toppled Lysychansk, its twin city on the opposite side of the river.

Nearly four months later, the dominos are falling in the opposite direction. A Ukrainian counteroffensive that kicked off east of Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city 100 miles northwest of Lyman, in a heady two weeks has liberated a thousand square miles of northeast Ukraine.

Fleeing a dozen eager Ukrainian brigades, Russian forces in Kharkiv Oblast —including the once-elite 1st Guard Tanks Army—have fled east across the Oskil River, leaving behind hundreds of vehicles and potentially thousands of casualties.

The Ukrainians’ momentum, weighted by aggressive air and artillery support, has carried them a short distance across the Oskil and south toward Lyman. Now several of Kyiv’s brigades—a mix of paratroopers and territorials—also are closing on Lyman ... from the opposite direction.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/18/russia-has-no-reserves-left-as-ukrainian-troops-surround-a-key-eastern-town/?sh=332ef1573126

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Russia Has No Reserves Left As Ukrainian Troops Surround A Key Eastern Town (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2022 OP
Putin has exposed the weakness of his military LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #1
Enter China, now that Putin pantsed Russia. TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #7
Is that where the song title comes from? COL Mustard Sep 2022 #10
Putin on the fritz nt Wicked Blue Sep 2022 #12
The fact that he's cleaned out the prisons to get soldiers Warpy Sep 2022 #14
This is such good news. AllyCat Sep 2022 #2
This is encouraging. lpbk2713 Sep 2022 #3
Oh I'm quite sure the Ukrainian troops are keeping that in mind MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2022 #5
Here's hoping.... SergeStorms Sep 2022 #4
The Mighty and Macho Russian Army praised by Cruz (never served) and MTG while denigrating American keithbvadu2 Sep 2022 #6
Slava Ukraini! Thank you for the update. niyad Sep 2022 #8
The last formed divisions that were sent to reinforce Kharkiv grantcart Sep 2022 #9
"Urban unrest"? maxsolomon Sep 2022 #16
How familiar are you with Russian/Soviet history? grantcart Sep 2022 #20
Thanks for the history lesson, grantcart! femmedem Sep 2022 #24
I didn't mean historically. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #25
You mean beside the St. Petersburg Council members charging Putin with Treason? grantcart Sep 2022 #26
I'm not missing your point. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #28
New Russian Front: keeping Putin in the Kremlin. Nt OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2022 #17
💛 Glory to Ukraine! 💙 nt Raine Sep 2022 #11
Looks like Putin opened a can of this MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2022 #13
So what does Putin do now...save face? BigmanPigman Sep 2022 #15
His only option is to declare victory and leave. grantcart Sep 2022 #21
That is one way to "save face" BigmanPigman Sep 2022 #22
It won't be enough especially if he loses Donrtsk grantcart Sep 2022 #23
The Russians are now gonna be left with only .. Botany Sep 2022 #18
And it's 1...2...3... moondust Sep 2022 #19
UK analysts have now concluded that Russia has lost Air Superiority. grantcart Sep 2022 #27

Warpy

(111,420 posts)
14. The fact that he's cleaned out the prisons to get soldiers
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:39 PM
Sep 2022

shows his real desperation.

He knows if he callus up the reserves (and they haven't trained since they've been out, it would take time to train them), people who are already voicing support only because they go to prison if they don't are going to say to hell with it and start rebelling outright.

What a waste. What a god awful waste.

One hopes the end of this regime and its colossal blunder of a war come soon.

lpbk2713

(42,772 posts)
3. This is encouraging.
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 08:57 PM
Sep 2022


I hope the Ukrainian troops keep in mind the Russian murderers executed women and children with their hands tied behind their backs.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,475 posts)
5. Oh I'm quite sure the Ukrainian troops are keeping that in mind
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:00 PM
Sep 2022

and their burning desire to exact revenge on the Russians are front and center.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
4. Here's hoping....
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 08:59 PM
Sep 2022

that these will be Russia's "good old days". I hope there's nothing but increased pain, poverty, turmoil, and defeat for Russians from here forward.

The Russian people probably don't deserve all of that, but they're responsible for the madman who initiated the invasion of Ukraine, so they must pay that price. After Putin is dead and gone - and I hope it's very, very soon - they must be sure that no one close to Putin's temperament leads their country again.

keithbvadu2

(37,015 posts)
6. The Mighty and Macho Russian Army praised by Cruz (never served) and MTG while denigrating American
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:00 PM
Sep 2022

The Mighty and Macho Russian Army praised by Cruz (never served) and MTG while denigrating American Troops

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. The last formed divisions that were sent to reinforce Kharkiv
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:16 PM
Sep 2022

"lost a few skirmishes then joined the wider Russian retreat".

Of course Russia has more divisions that could be moved to the front. They can't be moved because Putin needs them to put down urban unrest.

Those St. Petersburg city councilman going public against the war help to freeze movement of key divisions.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. How familiar are you with Russian/Soviet history?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 01:43 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Mon Sep 19, 2022, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)

Both Czarist Russia and The Soviet Union lost their legitimacy and we're overtaken by the eruption of flash points that went country wide very quickly. Once the regime was seen as having a crack in the veneer then all of the pent up frustration explodes nationwide.

In 1905 a single isolated incident showed the country that the Czar was fallible. The Czar lost absolute rule, a people's Duma took over legislative control and ten years later Imperial Russia collapsed with hardly a shot fired.

At the end of the SU the elimination of the Berlin Wall showed the vulnerabilities of the central government and spontaneous public demonstrations brought down the government.

What triggered the first Russian Revolution of 1905?

The mutiny of a single ship, the Potemkin.

Why did they mutiny? Russia refused negotiations with Japan and Japan attacked Russia. Russia moved it's most experienced officers to the war in the Pacific. After Russia began losing key battles morale in the ships in the west plummetted.

What was the last straw on Potemkin?

The morning Borscht had maggots. The ship mutinied and went to Romania and nationwide strikes erupted.

I have witnessed a half dozen coups and it doesn't take much in a country where power goes from top to bottom to trigger an eruption. The most important person in maintaining stability in Russia tomorrow morning is the mid level officers who commands the loyalty of the tanks kept in the barracks around Moscow. Once the tanks roll in the capital there is almost no turning back. You can bet that officer is a personal favorite of Putin and will never see action in Ukraine.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
25. I didn't mean historically.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 12:30 PM
Sep 2022

I mean now. Is there "urban unrest" in Russia today? I haven't read any reports even hinting at it. Have you?

My impression was that their Police State (and State Media) is quite effective, and dissent is effectively suppressed.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. You mean beside the St. Petersburg Council members charging Putin with Treason?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 01:30 PM
Sep 2022

No, but you missed my point, Putin cannot move his most loyal divisions because he needs them to stay in the urban areas to prevent urban unrest not that it has started.

The current situation closely parallels the First Russian Revolution and the fall of the SU. There were no public protests until something exposed the weakness and fragility of the despot and then they were everywhere.

Today we reached another key turning point in the war; British analysts state that Russia has lost Air Superiority in Ukraine which means that Russian front lines are significantly more exposed than before.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
28. I'm not missing your point.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 02:54 PM
Sep 2022

Certainly that's feasible; I just don't understand where you're getting that information.

How do you know Putin's "most loyal divisions" are stationed in urban areas to suppress possible civilian unrest? I'm not familiar with where the Russian military is deployed.

BigmanPigman

(51,649 posts)
15. So what does Putin do now...save face?
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:42 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Kill himself or pledge to blow up all Western Ukrainian allies with threats of nukes as his swan song?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. His only option is to declare victory and leave.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 01:46 AM
Sep 2022

China invaded Vietnam in 1978 and suffered massive loses and after 6 months of huge loses declared they had taught Vietnam a lesson and left.

Botany

(70,635 posts)
18. The Russians are now gonna be left with only ..
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 10:02 PM
Sep 2022

... Crimea. The Donbas, Karkeiv, and Kharastan have either fallen to the Ukrainian or will very likely fall. And very soon the only way out of Crimea will be the bridge to
Russia. I hope the Russian soldiers go home and kill
Putin.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
27. UK analysts have now concluded that Russia has lost Air Superiority.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 01:32 PM
Sep 2022

Russian front lines are significantly more exposed than they were last week.

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