Care to share your thoughts and reactions to the NY AG's presser?

[msfiddlestix]

Love to know what you think... please share!

[Timewas]

1. Somewhat disappointed

All criminal accusations with no real action beyond referrals and a civil lawsuit... Maybe lead to something more serious but I am more doubtful now that ever.

[msfiddlestix]

3. essentially my reaction too. Referring criminal action to Manhattan and IRS as if they didn't have

a stockpile of evidence in their office for quite some time.

Cy Vance was on the case right? Until he wasn't. Or never actually was. I dont really know or understand wtf happened there, I can only speculate which I'm not inclined to waste time doing.

[jcgoldie]

18. we knew beforehand she couldn't bring criminal charges

So what did you expect that would lead to disappointment?

[Timewas]

28. Exactly how

Did we "know beforehand". She is an AG she has the power/authority to call a grand jury and indict so she spent all this time investigating a "criminal" enterprise that was in fact breaking the law which she is supposed to enforce to end up with a civil lawsuit.

For me that amounts to disappointment... had I known that was it I would not have wasted my time watching it....

[allegorical oracle]

39. One good thing about a civil trial is that taking the 5th can be inferred against the defendant. nt

[Timewas]

40. Actually

After thinking further on this I can see more reasons than just that to go the civil route, rules of evidence are a little looser and be easier to get a good jury for civil trial than criminal trial.

[inthewind21]

46. Remember

When the FEDS couldn't get him on anything else, they used what they could prove and Tax Fraud brought Al Capone down. And it was his accountant that drove the nail in his coffin. Sound familiar?

[inthewind21]

44. It's been

Public information for quite some time she was perusing a civil Tax Fraud case based on the laws of NY. She referred the Federal crimes to the US attorneys and the IRS, which falls under the DOJ as well. That's how it works. She's a state AG. She managed to shut down the Trump "charity" in a civil case. Where by the way the bar is not beyond a reasonable doubt, but a preponderance of the evidence.

[jcgoldie]

47. No you are mistaken

What you described is the local DA’s job. In this case, Bragg.

[Timewas]

50. Maybe

His job but she can refer the case to him also...I will stay with going civil to have a better chance of favorable outcome.

[FSogol]

2. I loved every second of it.

Of course it will lead to 15 years of litigation, but who cares. Catch the frauds and crooks.

[msfiddlestix]

5. more years of litigation while he continues profiting?

question was asked by Gershen (sp?) in practical terms, how will jt impact his ability to make loans, collect rent etc.

James skirted around it before the acknowledged that he will be able to do these things.

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. Only $250 million? Do they have to refund all the

money they scammed?

[msfiddlestix]

11. The $ amount sought hit me as rather paltry sum relative to values, gains and loss

the $ values claimed she referenced struck me as low.

I had a sense Aty General, wasn't able to gather or prewsent enough evidence which accurately encapsulated the full breadth of the fraudulent schemes he engaged in.


just intuiting... cuz it was a bit underwhelming in terms of the consequences or remedy sought.

[EndlessWire]

6. Well

She has sicked the IRS on them!! That'll give you a headache any day of the week!

280 pages of complaint! May take us a bit of time to read!!

She is basically kicking Trump out of the State of New York!

Criminal referrals!

Although it will take them the rest of Donald's life to come to an end, she included the whole grifting family!

They have, what, 30 days to answer? Where to begin!

And, all the while I wonder about Jared's $2B dollars and where that went.

I'm glad that woman isn't after me!

[msfiddlestix]

15. Fair points

I think the IRS has had the goods on this thug for a long time, but somehow he's managed to escaped levies on all of this accounts and estates.

My one hope is there are a number of criminal referrals we don't know about and was not mentioned in the presser. I'm hoping they're all carefully outlined in the 280 page complaint!

maybe orange furher will have a headache for the ages... xing fingers

[Timewas]

31. The IRS

Most likely already knew all of this and has not acted what makes anyone think it will change now??

[RussBLib]

7. Big blow against Trump

It is now concrete. Before it was only "he said, she said."

The pessimism is understandable, but try to rise above it.

[Brainfodder]

8. Generically aroused, but I was pre-lit for this and it was great and my guess was correct.

All the specifics and amounts and WHOA inflated so high the value was never before and since seen in NY for an apt, that was 11k not 30k sq. ft?

YOU BUSTED LITTLE SHITWEASEL!

Public opinion aint going up!

And for just that.... Hell yeah!

[msfiddlestix]

19. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[allegorical oracle]

41. Got a kick out of how much he had inflated the value of Mar-a-Lago. James said it's legitimately

worth around $75M and tfg had it valued at ten times that. Plus, James said he fudged on how the property was categorized, when his actual use of the property is limited -- not like a regular private residence.

[EndlessWire]

9. P.S.

Everything Donald Trump touches, dies. Two more lawyers that can't work in the state of NY. And, now he needs a platoon of them! LOL!

[grumpyduck]

10. Besides WAAAAHOOOOO!!!!!!! ?

That pretty much covers it for me.

[Ponietz]

12. It's a harpoon and more are coming

It will tire and slow the whale.

[Samrob]

13. Exposure is the name of the game. A different set of voters just watched James presser.

Criminal referrals are not "nothing." The more exposure of Trump's criminality the better for us all. Every time this happens a few more voters fall off his bandwagon. Believe it. The media will not tell you but they do.

[allegorical oracle]

45. Good point. More of the onion got peeled back today. n/t

[louslobbs]

14. As I was watching

I was wondering how many times, as trump was watching, he screamed the N word, the B**(ch) word and the C*(nt) word at the Attorney General as she was speaking.

[sarisataka]

16. This may be even bigger

Than Mueller

[Johnny2X2X]

17. She did 100% of what was possible for her to do

She did not have the ability to pursue her own criminal charges. Referring a criminal complaint to the DOJ is a massive deal and is more meaningful that $250M.

Basically giving the Trump family the corporate death penalty in NY, the state they all run their businesses out of is devastating.

[msfiddlestix]

21. Thank you..important facts you point out. n/t

[Kaleva]

30. +1

[Timewas]

32. I don't understand

"She did not have the ability to pursue her own criminal charges" Why does she not have the ability to pursue criminal charges...??

[Johnny2X2X]

37. She does not have legal authority to bring criminal charges in this case, period

That's not her role in this case because her investigation was a civil investigation. The nature of their probe was civil, if it had been criminal it would have required a grand jury to move forward. So she basically signed up for being limited to referring crimes to the DOJ for prosecution.

She did 100% of what she had the authority to do.

[Timewas]

42. She went

The route of least resistance really, she has a much better chance in civil court but still a disappointment... She does have the authority to go the criminal route if she chooses.

[Johnny2X2X]

43. No she doesn't

Not in this investigation.

[DinahMoeHum]

20. She's going for the trifecta here. . .

. . .having already put the scalps of the Trump Foundation and Trump University on her mantelpiece.

Mark my words: Tish James does NOT pussyfoot in these matters.

[msfiddlestix]

23. hee... hee...

[RockRaven]

22. The criminal referrals mean almost nothing. If SDNY and the IRS were willing to act they would

have done so previously. They didn't. So they probably won't. They had, or could have obtained, the evidence themselves long before now. They don't need the NY AG to do their job for them, they just need to do their job. Or not.

Making the criminal referrals was the right thing to do, but I don't expect anything from SDNY and the IRS beyond *wanking motion*.

[msfiddlestix]

27. exactly my thoughts, IRS known this for decades and have the authority without conditions.

The IRS has authority inheerent in that office to levy accounts quickly and severly.

They gave him and the family a pass for decades.

Why did Cy Vance not proceed with what they had?

Is Bragg gonna continue to delay or forgo prosecuting with all the evidence gathered from the concluded nvestigations?

The never ending Saga of the Cult Maga leader just keeps puttering on.

[Native]

38. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Meet the Southern District's U.S. Atty., Damian Williams. I'm in awe.

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* Nominated by Biden and confirmed in October of last year.
* He has a staff of 450 lawyers, special agents, paralegals and other support professionals.
Prior to his confirmation as United States Attorney, Mr. Williams served as Chief of the Securities and Commodities Fraud Task Force in the Southern District of New York.
* As an Assistant United States Attorney, Mr. Williams primarily investigated and prosecuted white collar cases involving corruption in financial markets and politics. Among other matters, he prosecuted Congressman Chris Collins for insider trading and lying to the FBI and New York State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver for bribery, extortion, and money laundering.
* Mr. Williams earned an A.B. in Economics from Harvard University, a M.Phil. in International Relations from the University of Cambridge, and a J.D. from Yale Law School.
* And he clerked for Garland and Stevens!

[SheltieLover]

49. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

[tavernier]

24. I think I have a better chance of winning the lotto

than seeing Rump in jail or broke in my lifetime.

Having said that, I think he is quite pissed off about it all and I guess that’s helpful.

[Mr.Bill]

29. All things considered,

he's been broke for a long time.

[tavernier]

33. Yeah, but he has a healthy ATM

with maga and Q and proud boys and half the Congress.

[Celerity]

36. +1

[lindalou65]

25. AG's presser was great IMO

She made it clear Trump will face repercussions from his fraudulent actions (lying about how much money he has, inflating property values, etc). Yes, she does have limitations since it is a civil suit but she made it clear he is 'not above the law' and basically strips their ability to make money in the State of New York. She named Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka as part of the fraudulent schemes and all of them will pay economically in one way or another. Do you think they will be able to get bank loans now? I would say highly unlikely. This certainly puts them under the microscope. I loved it! Thank you AG James!

[alwaysinasnit]

26. I am relishing the thought that two strong black women will be tfg's downfall.

Leticia will take his $$$ away and Fani will take his liberty.

[H2O Man]

35. +1

[H2O Man]

34. This is a good thing.

Recommended.

[msfiddlestix]

52. Yes, it is a very significant blow to their "empire" I think, This will at least cripple it for

a time. 5 years at this moment. Perhaps more from SDNY, possibly.

[Maeve]

48. It's the beginning of the worst time of his life

He is going to be dealing with more headaches and less money, more hassles and fewer ways out.
And all of it richly deserved.

[msfiddlestix]

53. I wonder if he has anurisms lurking and growing in his brain tissues?

Unless he's coked out or drugged out on opiates, I think his head could have a blowout with a few major headaches, if that were the case.. Has anyone checked to see if he's still breathing?

[Emile]

51. So what happens next?

[msfiddlestix]

54. your guess is as good as mine. this is like some bizarre soap opera. a diabolical saga that we're

held hostage to. We don't know what's next cuz this is a story we haven't seen playout before.

So we have to learn as the media informs us along the way. I think the media has questions in that regard

In fact a reporter did ask a very important question. paraphrasing, the question she asked was "what will all this mean as a practical matter". what happens next?