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Nevilledog

(51,099 posts)
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 03:49 PM Sep 2022

Russia Implodes After Putin Summons 300,000 to Die for Him



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The Daily Beast
@thedailybeast
The Russian leader may have inadvertently put the final nail in the coffin of his decades-long reign with his bombshell announcement that hundreds of thousands of citizens will be called up to face likely death in the war next door.

thedailybeast.com
Russia Implodes After Putin Summons 300,000 to Die for Him
The mass mobilization announcement from “crazy old man” Vladimir Putin is already sending Russia into chaos.
12:00 PM · Sep 21, 2022


https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-implodes-after-vladimir-putin-announces-mobilization-of-300000-people-to-fight-the-war-in-ukraine

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Vladimir Putin’s “special military operation” against Ukraine hit a turning point Wednesday—but not the kind the Kremlin wanted.

Instead, the Russian leader may have inadvertently put the final nail in the coffin of his decades-long reign with his bombshell announcement that hundreds of thousands of citizens will be called up to face likely death in the war next door.

While Putin’s most loyal allies rallied around the leader with calls for unity and defense officials stretched over backwards to provide dubious assurances to the general public, ordinary Russians rushed for the exits and took to the streets.

Airline tickets out of the country sold out within a matter of hours. There were myriad reports of men of conscription age being barred from buying bus and airline tickets, and human rights groups reported that draft notices were already being handed out to people at bus stations and train stops in some areas.

Street cleaners and homeowners associations were reportedly tasked with delivering the notices in other areas.

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Russia Implodes After Putin Summons 300,000 to Die for Him (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
Unless I read something wrong, the age of conscription goes up to 65 EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #1
Interesting to think that at 63, I could be called up if I was Russian Kaleva Sep 2022 #7
Their out of ammo so... lame54 Sep 2022 #29
They Are Buying A Bunch Of Ammo From North Korea nt DallasNE Sep 2022 #52
The most up to date stuff, I'm sure lame54 Sep 2022 #53
Not according to North Korea Nevilledog Sep 2022 #74
That Settles It DallasNE Sep 2022 #78
North Korea also claims to be filled with Democratic Peoples... Lancero Sep 2022 #95
Yea, but you can hold a rifle in a foxhole. James48 Sep 2022 #35
I am a navy veteran and I am 58 years old. The only way Uncle Sam would get me back in uniform is Ray Bruns Sep 2022 #51
It is, or was?, actually 27 intrepidity Sep 2022 #15
During WWII, the US had men register for the draft up to age 65. Mariana Sep 2022 #23
It makes sense to register everyone up to age 65 GregariousGroundhog Sep 2022 #82
And life expectancy for males is 65.5 years. Hmmm LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #71
Awwww, that means tdfg doesn't qualify VWolf Sep 2022 #87
Arrest tens of thousands. Vlad. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2022 #2
Funny how Russians support Putin until it gets real and their own kids get drafted to just be killed TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #38
God willing Mme. Defarge Sep 2022 #3
They're fleeing the country as fast as they can. herding cats Sep 2022 #4
Wow, that graphic is really something. A huge number of flights are going to Turkey, because... keep_left Sep 2022 #16
So will Turkey's Traildogbob Sep 2022 #28
Kind of a side note: Wednesdays Sep 2022 #17
They should go to Florida lame54 Sep 2022 #30
The passengers should parachute out right above 700 N Adams St, Tallahassee. Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #58
He'd give them a 21 gun salute lame54 Sep 2022 #73
Or else he'd intercept them in a Navy fighter jet because, ya know, he's totally a Top Gov pilot... Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #76
He probably would BonnieJW Sep 2022 #89
Probably a lot also driving to the nearest border. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #46
This was the Finnish border earlier today. herding cats Sep 2022 #47
Wow, it's like Moscow is a volcano spewing out planes! Pinback Sep 2022 #55
Damnit! I was actually hoping for Taco trucks on every corner. Crowman2009 Sep 2022 #67
I know! Pinback Sep 2022 #77
Maybe enchiladas too? calimary Sep 2022 #83
Thos poor people.. who knew it Cha Sep 2022 #72
I imagine Edward Snowden's life is not that comfortable.He seriously effed up in his choice of pals Hekate Sep 2022 #92
Ikr.. Cha Sep 2022 #96
More "Genius" underpants Sep 2022 #5
Savvy! Hekate Sep 2022 #93
The young men need Trump's doctor. Emile Sep 2022 #6
Lol TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #10
What, I thought Drafts always worked out great? nattyice Sep 2022 #8
Consider the late Colonel Hackworth's thoughts on it: Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #12
True, but in Russia, they'll likely just shoot anyone with that "attitude" nattyice Sep 2022 #22
Well, yeah, and the Citizens Army went extinct when Joseph Stalin... Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #41
Interesting quote. Pinback Sep 2022 #57
Interesting. As much as I regarded the Vietnam era draft with loathing, the all-volunteer Army... Hekate Sep 2022 #94
Ya know musclecar6 Sep 2022 #9
Manchurian Cantaloupe is going on my long list of monikers for Traitor Tot. OMGWTF Sep 2022 #40
LOL!!! Manchurian Cantaloupe! My favorite nickname for Traitor Trump yet! LaMouffette Sep 2022 #43
he lacked the sense to call it off. cab67 Sep 2022 #90
Fuck cilla4progress Sep 2022 #11
Look at this way, for his and his alone screw-ups, hundreds of thousands of Russians SWBTATTReg Sep 2022 #13
Didn't they learn that already in Afghanistan? FakeNoose Sep 2022 #20
Hey Vlad, an old American saying: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging! Jim__ Sep 2022 #14
He's a narcissistic white supremacist so... Justice matters. Sep 2022 #18
Whoah. Old Crow Sep 2022 #19
Seems to me DENVERPOPS Sep 2022 #21
My lottery number was 126. SergeStorms Sep 2022 #25
My number was 119. Gary 50 Sep 2022 #97
Fun times, huh? SergeStorms Sep 2022 #98
Grew up in the 60's watching guys burn their draft cards. edbermac Sep 2022 #24
I'm with you, and burned mine in Detroit. Faygo Kid Sep 2022 #27
Drafting all the males except the wealthy college kids in Moscow? LiberalArkie Sep 2022 #26
BINGO LA DENVERPOPS Sep 2022 #32
At least that way they don't have to worry about pissing off the Russian Mafias kids. LiberalArkie Sep 2022 #49
Nyet Collusion? czarjak Sep 2022 #31
Istanbul SAW airport is comparatively straightforward. Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #33
The draft ended the Vietnam war. OMGWTF Sep 2022 #34
That is exactly why DENVERPOPS Sep 2022 #75
K&R. William769 Sep 2022 #36
Ok folks- this is serious. James48 Sep 2022 #37
Seems like more like a last-gasp Hail Mary-pass of a doomed effort. Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #59
Training? There is Ukraine, komrad, find rifle while marching. Go or we shoot your dog! Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #79
Good point! Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #84
It does seem like an escalation beyond Ukraine. Hugin Sep 2022 #86
Phew, I'm too old. jeffreyi Sep 2022 #39
Bite your tongue. EndlessWire Sep 2022 #50
When Putin threatens nukes. I get a visual image of the Kremlin leveled in smoking ruins Walleye Sep 2022 #42
Perhaps we can fly some eager militia members to aid Russia, just charge $1500 a piece up front. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #44
Perhaps we can fly some eager militia members to aid Russia, just charge $1500 a piece up front. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #45
Even getting the HOAs involved fescuerescue Sep 2022 #48
Defund the HOA! MontanaMama Sep 2022 #62
Best comment on the thread MissB Sep 2022 #65
Someone is going to 'off' him. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #54
If people who love their country could be counted on to exterminate vermin... hay rick Sep 2022 #56
And still suffering MontanaMama Sep 2022 #63
What's wrong with these guys? They never heard of bone spurs? Anal cysts? Midnight Writer Sep 2022 #60
Or they could just pull a Ted Nugent and shit themselves. Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #61
Please die so my ego is not damaged nowforever Sep 2022 #64
Protests all across Russia today, starting in the east. Lots of arrests Warpy Sep 2022 #66
That there is good to see, madness around the world needs checked! Brainfodder Sep 2022 #68
I wonder how many of their 144 million are eligible to be killed? LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #69
The Russian people have to be realizing they have been duped at this point. Hopefully? Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #70
Doesn't seem the Russians are going to quietly submit to this. 👍 nt Raine Sep 2022 #80
Sorry Vlad, you're worth exactly one human life -- your own. Just end it now already. Blue Owl Sep 2022 #81
There's no real implosion Renew Deal Sep 2022 #85
I hope this will happen, but from what I'm reading, Putin's brainwashing has worked well LiberalLovinLug Sep 2022 #88
You can't FORCE people to fight. Just bc he airdrops people there doesn't mean they'll fight. FlyingPiggy Sep 2022 #91
Dear Vladdy Daddy - for you: Pachamama Sep 2022 #99

EYESORE 9001

(25,938 posts)
1. Unless I read something wrong, the age of conscription goes up to 65
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

That’s a wide swath demographically. Pooty-poot may have bitten off more than he can chew.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
7. Interesting to think that at 63, I could be called up if I was Russian
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:05 PM
Sep 2022

With my prior military experience and bring disabled so that I can't run or even walk fast, I couldn't flee the battlefield .

Nevilledog

(51,099 posts)
74. Not according to North Korea
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 08:37 PM
Sep 2022


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2:18 PM · Sep 21, 2022

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
95. North Korea also claims to be filled with Democratic Peoples...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:55 PM
Sep 2022

At some point, you need to question just how reliable your source is.

Ray Bruns

(4,093 posts)
51. I am a navy veteran and I am 58 years old. The only way Uncle Sam would get me back in uniform is
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:51 PM
Sep 2022

There are tanks rolling down Pennsylvania ave.

intrepidity

(7,295 posts)
15. It is, or was?, actually 27
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:24 PM
Sep 2022

The 18-65 number is for barring males of that age range from leaving Russia.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
23. During WWII, the US had men register for the draft up to age 65.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:39 PM
Sep 2022

Men born on or after April 28, 1877 were required to register in 1942. I doubt Putin has plans to actually draft old men en masse - but I could be wrong!

GregariousGroundhog

(7,521 posts)
82. It makes sense to register everyone up to age 65
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 10:50 PM
Sep 2022

People are physically prime in their early twenties, but not every draftee has to be an infantry grunt.

Armies need truck drivers to deliver supplies. They need mechanically inclined people to repair vehicles and other equipment. They need doctors and nurses to staff field hospitals. These are all roles that can be staffed by middle-aged personnel.

TheBlackAdder

(28,190 posts)
38. Funny how Russians support Putin until it gets real and their own kids get drafted to just be killed
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:02 PM
Sep 2022

.

I bet there were a bunch of 20-somethings posting support for the war who are now shitting bricks.

.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
4. They're fleeing the country as fast as they can.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 03:58 PM
Sep 2022

Flights out are booked solid and the prices are highly inflated.


keep_left

(1,783 posts)
16. Wow, that graphic is really something. A huge number of flights are going to Turkey, because...
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:25 PM
Sep 2022

...apparently Russians can travel there with no visa. This can't end well for Putin.

Wednesdays

(17,367 posts)
17. Kind of a side note:
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:29 PM
Sep 2022

Notice how flights to Turkey, etc. through Central Europe have to go around Ukraine!

Sky Jewels

(7,093 posts)
58. The passengers should parachute out right above 700 N Adams St, Tallahassee.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:23 PM
Sep 2022

I'm sure Governor Ron would welcome his visitors with open arms.

Sky Jewels

(7,093 posts)
76. Or else he'd intercept them in a Navy fighter jet because, ya know, he's totally a Top Gov pilot...
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 09:41 PM
Sep 2022

Did I say "Top Gov"? I meant "Top Douche," with a massive side of cringe.



Pinback

(12,154 posts)
55. Wow, it's like Moscow is a volcano spewing out planes!
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:15 PM
Sep 2022

Reminds me somehow of the "Taco trucks on every corner" gif that some clever person gave the Internet a few years ago:

Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
67. Damnit! I was actually hoping for Taco trucks on every corner.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:35 PM
Sep 2022

Especially if it's Yucatan style Mexican tacos.

Hekate

(90,677 posts)
92. I imagine Edward Snowden's life is not that comfortable.He seriously effed up in his choice of pals
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:44 PM
Sep 2022

Cha

(297,196 posts)
96. Ikr..
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 03:08 PM
Sep 2022

He thought America was so bad with Pres Obama.. : And then It was under his benefactor Putin's Puppet.. but we got rid of him for NOW & Hopefully Democracy Will Survive.

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
10. Lol
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:10 PM
Sep 2022

Here's to hoping someone still sane in the Russian military has a 37-cent solution for Vlad, or an extra vial of Novichok for his coffee/tea/vodka.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
12. Consider the late Colonel Hackworth's thoughts on it:
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:16 PM
Sep 2022
"Even when they pissed me off, I had to admit there was something I liked about the draftees who didn't want to be there and made no bones about it. I like draftees in general, even with the attendant problems. Historically draftees have kept the military on the straight and narrow. By calling a spade a spade, they keep it clean. Without their "careers" to think about, they can't be easily bullied or intimidated as Regulars; their presence prevents the elitism that otherwise might allow a Regular army to become isolated from the values of the country it serves. Draftees are not concerned for the reputation of their employer, the Army (in Vietnam they happily blew the whistle an everything from phony valor awards to the secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia); a draftee, citizens' army, so much a part of the history of America, is an essential part of a healthy democracy, one in which everyone pays the price of admission." - Colonel Hackworth, About Face

Pinback

(12,154 posts)
57. Interesting quote.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:19 PM
Sep 2022

If the U.S. had had an all-volunteer military in Vietnam, I doubt we'd have seen the widespread opposition to the war that was so strong in the 1960s and early '70s.

Hekate

(90,677 posts)
94. Interesting. As much as I regarded the Vietnam era draft with loathing, the all-volunteer Army...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:55 PM
Sep 2022

… with its attendant poverty-draft did not strike me as a great idea either.

Col. Hackworth states clearly and knowledgeably what I only intuited: the non-draftee military system becomes separated/isolated from the lives and values of the country it serves.

TY for this, Brother Buzz.

musclecar6

(1,686 posts)
9. Ya know
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:08 PM
Sep 2022


Vlad had everything going for him then he had to go and start this stupid fucking war. Vlad was supposed to be the smart one and the Manchurian Cantaloupe was the stupid one. Looks like they're both in the same camp.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
90. he lacked the sense to call it off.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:28 PM
Sep 2022

I'm sure Putin's plan to invade was in place while a turd who walks as a man does was in the White House. Putin also probably assumed that same turd would still be in the White House in 2022. Had Putin any smarts at all, he'd have called it off as soon as Biden took office.

Either that, or he assumed the US would be too divided to give a shit about Ukraine regardless of who the president is.

Bad assumptions all around.

SWBTATTReg

(22,117 posts)
13. Look at this way, for his and his alone screw-ups, hundreds of thousands of Russians
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:16 PM
Sep 2022

will continue to suffer, as they have been doing for this ignorant war that I'm sure none of them wanted. It's the Vietnam that Russians didn't want, but sadly, it's come home to roost in their own backyards, thanks to the ignorant dictator. I predict that this is the start (or that it has already started) an uprising of the common masses against this thug who seems to think he knows it all.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
20. Didn't they learn that already in Afghanistan?
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:33 PM
Sep 2022

I mean ... Afghanistan was supposed to be "the Vietnam War that the Russians didn't want."

But maybe that one doesn't count because they were still part of the USSR then.

Pootie has a huge problem. There are going to be major demonstrations in Moscow and elsewhere.
Nobody will voluntarily go to fight in Ukraine.



Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
19. Whoah.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:30 PM
Sep 2022

The Russo-Ukraine War is a monumental blunder and it keeps getting worse. It's incredible to witness, frankly. Dictatorial powers can lead a nation straight down the toilet.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
21. Seems to me
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:33 PM
Sep 2022

I remember LBJ doing something akin to this in late 67 early 68 when he added an additional 250K to the draft around the time of the TET offensive.........

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
25. My lottery number was 126.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:46 PM
Sep 2022

Sitting in front of the black and white TV, watching the Game of Life.

Numbers 1 - 125 .....sure to be drafted. Whew, I made it. Number 126 - November 13. 😳 Oh shit. My ass is grass.


SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
98. Fun times, huh?
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 03:34 PM
Sep 2022

My student deferments kept my going until the worst was over. They called me for my pre-induction physical, but never called me back after that. I'll never complain about being lucky. 😉

edbermac

(15,939 posts)
24. Grew up in the 60's watching guys burn their draft cards.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:41 PM
Sep 2022

These guys are not gonna become cannon fodder for Pootie.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
32. BINGO LA
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:53 PM
Sep 2022

The Nat Guard was filled with Rich White Kids.....Including "W" who didn't even show up for more than a year for the once a month weekend duty...............

Tetrachloride

(7,841 posts)
33. Istanbul SAW airport is comparatively straightforward.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:56 PM
Sep 2022

They are used to being an international crossroads.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
75. That is exactly why
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 08:51 PM
Sep 2022

Cheney & Rumsfeld employed Halliburton and other private contractors to fill all the many non combat jobs in Iraq.
They knew to get support for their war, they couldn't re-instill the draft. Even Colin Powell wouldn't have gone for that.....

Also, they couldn't carve off a chunk of the money from soldiers, but could gleam all kinds of kickbacks from private contractors.
In addition Cheney wanted to repay his former employer massively for their employing him for so long......

Trump will win the award, along with Jared and his spawn for Top All Time Grifter, but Cheney and Rumsfeld weren't bad at it either.
Rumsfeld decided we should stockpile Cipro for a possible anthrax biological attack. He bought millions of stock in the drug company that is the sole manufacturer of the drug a few days prior. After the announcement, the drug company stock doubled or tripled in price and he immediately cashed out. Not bad work, if you can find it......

James48

(4,436 posts)
37. Ok folks- this is serious.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:01 PM
Sep 2022

At the beginning of WW II, we knew trouble was brewing, and we began a draft here long before Pearl Harbor.

It’s clear we are seeing the possibility of wider war in the future. We need to start talking about setting up a draft here, and cranking up all production militarily. I’m serious that we need to take this all much more seriously.

Sky Jewels

(7,093 posts)
59. Seems like more like a last-gasp Hail Mary-pass of a doomed effort.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:25 PM
Sep 2022

Putie's gonna quickly train a bunch of 65-year-old conscripts so they can win back Ukraine for Mother Russia? I don't think so.

Hugin

(33,140 posts)
86. It does seem like an escalation beyond Ukraine.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:56 AM
Sep 2022

Although, there are sure to be many washouts among the conscripted. The scale is concerning.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
50. Bite your tongue.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:48 PM
Sep 2022

If that happens, I'll just tell, and tell big...

I'll be part of the West Coast Defense Corps, anyway.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
44. Perhaps we can fly some eager militia members to aid Russia, just charge $1500 a piece up front.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:20 PM
Sep 2022


Up to 65 huh, yeah get to Finland, good luck!



Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
45. Perhaps we can fly some eager militia members to aid Russia, just charge $1500 a piece up front.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 05:20 PM
Sep 2022


Up to 65 huh, yeah get to Finland, good luck!



hay rick

(7,611 posts)
56. If people who love their country could be counted on to exterminate vermin...
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:18 PM
Sep 2022

we would never have suffered through 4 days, never mind 4 years, of Trump.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
66. Protests all across Russia today, starting in the east. Lots of arrests
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:35 PM
Sep 2022

Flights to Istanbul and Yerevan have sold out. Their stock market crashed. University students were called into recruitment offices just hours after Putin's speech.

People are hoping the government crashes and burns before they start getting more people killed.

There will be a lot fewer people to watch from now on. I'm hoping they're all on their way out of the country.

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
69. I wonder how many of their 144 million are eligible to be killed?
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:37 PM
Sep 2022

Life expectancy of males is 65.5 years or was, while females it is 74.5 years.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
70. The Russian people have to be realizing they have been duped at this point. Hopefully?
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:38 PM
Sep 2022

Certainly, those whose family members haven't returned or returned due to injuries spread the word and the country is understanding the cost? I'm sure the reason for invasion still plucks at the heartstrings, but the reality should be sinking in. That said, if GOP takes the House, all this support will go away. They don't give a shit about anything except rich white Goopers.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
85. There's no real implosion
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:39 AM
Sep 2022

And most of them will go fight because they're told to. Let's see if the parents and grandparents hit the streets. Then MAYBE something will happen.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
88. I hope this will happen, but from what I'm reading, Putin's brainwashing has worked well
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 01:51 PM
Sep 2022

Many Russians, like many Americans, Canadians, etc..., want to blame someone for their problems. "The West" is their boogeyman created by Putin. Including the Ukraine "Nazis" working for them.

Many are simply indifferent, they know their leaders lie all the time, but that western leaders lie too, and so why even think about it? Although this new order may wake up a few more of them.

FlyingPiggy

(3,384 posts)
91. You can't FORCE people to fight. Just bc he airdrops people there doesn't mean they'll fight.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:32 PM
Sep 2022

You can’t run a war like this. This is beyond desperation.

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