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The Russian leader may have inadvertently put the final nail in the coffin of his decades-long reign with his bombshell announcement that hundreds of thousands of citizens will be called up to face likely death in the war next door.
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Russia Implodes After Putin Summons 300,000 to Die for Him
The mass mobilization announcement from crazy old man Vladimir Putin is already sending Russia into chaos.
12:00 PM · Sep 21, 2022
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-implodes-after-vladimir-putin-announces-mobilization-of-300000-people-to-fight-the-war-in-ukraine
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Vladimir Putins special military operation against Ukraine hit a turning point Wednesdaybut not the kind the Kremlin wanted.
Instead, the Russian leader may have inadvertently put the final nail in the coffin of his decades-long reign with his bombshell announcement that hundreds of thousands of citizens will be called up to face likely death in the war next door.
While Putins most loyal allies rallied around the leader with calls for unity and defense officials stretched over backwards to provide dubious assurances to the general public, ordinary Russians rushed for the exits and took to the streets.
Airline tickets out of the country sold out within a matter of hours. There were myriad reports of men of conscription age being barred from buying bus and airline tickets, and human rights groups reported that draft notices were already being handed out to people at bus stations and train stops in some areas.
Street cleaners and homeowners associations were reportedly tasked with delivering the notices in other areas.
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EYESORE 9001
(25,938 posts)Thats a wide swath demographically. Pooty-poot may have bitten off more than he can chew.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)With my prior military experience and bring disabled so that I can't run or even walk fast, I couldn't flee the battlefield .
lame54
(35,287 posts)They'd be firing you out of a cannon
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)lame54
(35,287 posts)Nevilledog
(51,099 posts)Link to tweet
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(Reuters) - North Korea on Thursday said it has never supplied weapons or ammunition to Russia and does not plan to do so going forward, according to a statement released by the state media KCNA.
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North Korea says it has never supplied weapons or ammunition to Russia - Reuters News
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DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Or maybe not. Who do you believe? We should know soon enough.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)At some point, you need to question just how reliable your source is.
James48
(4,436 posts)Its almost brand new. Only been dropped twice.
Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)There are tanks rolling down Pennsylvania ave.
intrepidity
(7,295 posts)The 18-65 number is for barring males of that age range from leaving Russia.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)Men born on or after April 28, 1877 were required to register in 1942. I doubt Putin has plans to actually draft old men en masse - but I could be wrong!
GregariousGroundhog
(7,521 posts)People are physically prime in their early twenties, but not every draftee has to be an infantry grunt.
Armies need truck drivers to deliver supplies. They need mechanically inclined people to repair vehicles and other equipment. They need doctors and nurses to staff field hospitals. These are all roles that can be staffed by middle-aged personnel.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)VWolf
(3,944 posts)He is, in essence, a russian citizen.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,785 posts)HELL NO, WE WON'T GO!
The people of Russia need to ptotest.
TheBlackAdder
(28,190 posts).
I bet there were a bunch of 20-somethings posting support for the war who are now shitting bricks.
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Mme. Defarge
(8,028 posts)and the creek dont rise. 🙏🏻
herding cats
(19,564 posts)keep_left
(1,783 posts)...apparently Russians can travel there with no visa. This can't end well for Putin.
Traildogbob
(8,739 posts)Leader bus them All to Liberal areas in the country for photo ops?
Wednesdays
(17,367 posts)Notice how flights to Turkey, etc. through Central Europe have to go around Ukraine!
lame54
(35,287 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,093 posts)I'm sure Governor Ron would welcome his visitors with open arms.
lame54
(35,287 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,093 posts)Did I say "Top Gov"? I meant "Top Douche," with a massive side of cringe.
BonnieJW
(2,265 posts)since they would all be white. Ronnie only has problems with "colorful " people.
Lonestarblue
(9,988 posts)Huge protests in Russia every day would be welcome!
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Pinback
(12,154 posts)Reminds me somehow of the "Taco trucks on every corner" gif that some clever person gave the Internet a few years ago:
Crowman2009
(2,495 posts)Especially if it's Yucatan style Mexican tacos.
Pinback
(12,154 posts)You say that like its a bad thing!
calimary
(81,240 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)would to this?!
So what's Ed Snowden doing?
Rt TY, Cat
Hekate
(90,677 posts)He thought America was so bad with Pres Obama.. : And then It was under his benefactor Putin's Puppet.. but we got rid of him for NOW & Hopefully Democracy Will Survive.
underpants
(182,799 posts)Emile
(22,722 posts)Here's to hoping someone still sane in the Russian military has a 37-cent solution for Vlad, or an extra vial of Novichok for his coffee/tea/vodka.
nattyice
(331 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)"Even when they pissed me off, I had to admit there was something I liked about the draftees who didn't want to be there and made no bones about it. I like draftees in general, even with the attendant problems. Historically draftees have kept the military on the straight and narrow. By calling a spade a spade, they keep it clean. Without their "careers" to think about, they can't be easily bullied or intimidated as Regulars; their presence prevents the elitism that otherwise might allow a Regular army to become isolated from the values of the country it serves. Draftees are not concerned for the reputation of their employer, the Army (in Vietnam they happily blew the whistle an everything from phony valor awards to the secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia); a draftee, citizens' army, so much a part of the history of America, is an essential part of a healthy democracy, one in which everyone pays the price of admission." - Colonel Hackworth, About Face
nattyice
(331 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)assumed total control.
Pinback
(12,154 posts)If the U.S. had had an all-volunteer military in Vietnam, I doubt we'd have seen the widespread opposition to the war that was so strong in the 1960s and early '70s.
Hekate
(90,677 posts)
with its attendant poverty-draft did not strike me as a great idea either.
Col. Hackworth states clearly and knowledgeably what I only intuited: the non-draftee military system becomes separated/isolated from the lives and values of the country it serves.
TY for this, Brother Buzz.
musclecar6
(1,686 posts)Vlad had everything going for him then he had to go and start this stupid fucking war. Vlad was supposed to be the smart one and the Manchurian Cantaloupe was the stupid one. Looks like they're both in the same camp.
OMGWTF
(3,955 posts)LaMouffette
(2,030 posts)cab67
(2,992 posts)I'm sure Putin's plan to invade was in place while a turd who walks as a man does was in the White House. Putin also probably assumed that same turd would still be in the White House in 2022. Had Putin any smarts at all, he'd have called it off as soon as Biden took office.
Either that, or he assumed the US would be too divided to give a shit about Ukraine regardless of who the president is.
Bad assumptions all around.
cilla4progress
(24,731 posts)him!
SWBTATTReg
(22,117 posts)will continue to suffer, as they have been doing for this ignorant war that I'm sure none of them wanted. It's the Vietnam that Russians didn't want, but sadly, it's come home to roost in their own backyards, thanks to the ignorant dictator. I predict that this is the start (or that it has already started) an uprising of the common masses against this thug who seems to think he knows it all.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)I mean ... Afghanistan was supposed to be "the Vietnam War that the Russians didn't want."
But maybe that one doesn't count because they were still part of the USSR then.
Pootie has a huge problem. There are going to be major demonstrations in Moscow and elsewhere.
Nobody will voluntarily go to fight in Ukraine.
Jim__
(14,075 posts)Think about it.
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)His demise will have to be an inside job.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)The Russo-Ukraine War is a monumental blunder and it keeps getting worse. It's incredible to witness, frankly. Dictatorial powers can lead a nation straight down the toilet.
DENVERPOPS
(8,820 posts)I remember LBJ doing something akin to this in late 67 early 68 when he added an additional 250K to the draft around the time of the TET offensive.........
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Sitting in front of the black and white TV, watching the Game of Life.
Numbers 1 - 125 .....sure to be drafted. Whew, I made it. Number 126 - November 13. 😳 Oh shit. My ass is grass.
Gary 50
(381 posts)I think they got to somewhere around 105. Only lottery I ever won.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)My student deferments kept my going until the worst was over. They called me for my pre-induction physical, but never called me back after that. I'll never complain about being lucky. 😉
edbermac
(15,939 posts)These guys are not gonna become cannon fodder for Pootie.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)With many others (1970) at a great bar in Detroit.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Sounds kind of familiar.
DENVERPOPS
(8,820 posts)The Nat Guard was filled with Rich White Kids.....Including "W" who didn't even show up for more than a year for the once a month weekend duty...............
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)czarjak
(11,274 posts)Tetrachloride
(7,841 posts)They are used to being an international crossroads.
OMGWTF
(3,955 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,820 posts)Cheney & Rumsfeld employed Halliburton and other private contractors to fill all the many non combat jobs in Iraq.
They knew to get support for their war, they couldn't re-instill the draft. Even Colin Powell wouldn't have gone for that.....
Also, they couldn't carve off a chunk of the money from soldiers, but could gleam all kinds of kickbacks from private contractors.
In addition Cheney wanted to repay his former employer massively for their employing him for so long......
Trump will win the award, along with Jared and his spawn for Top All Time Grifter, but Cheney and Rumsfeld weren't bad at it either.
Rumsfeld decided we should stockpile Cipro for a possible anthrax biological attack. He bought millions of stock in the drug company that is the sole manufacturer of the drug a few days prior. After the announcement, the drug company stock doubled or tripled in price and he immediately cashed out. Not bad work, if you can find it......
William769
(55,146 posts)James48
(4,436 posts)At the beginning of WW II, we knew trouble was brewing, and we began a draft here long before Pearl Harbor.
Its clear we are seeing the possibility of wider war in the future. We need to start talking about setting up a draft here, and cranking up all production militarily. Im serious that we need to take this all much more seriously.
Sky Jewels
(7,093 posts)Putie's gonna quickly train a bunch of 65-year-old conscripts so they can win back Ukraine for Mother Russia? I don't think so.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,093 posts)No rifle? Throw potato 🥔.
Hugin
(33,140 posts)Although, there are sure to be many washouts among the conscripted. The scale is concerning.
jeffreyi
(1,939 posts)Female besides. But it won't be long before my kind are eligible, too.
EndlessWire
(6,526 posts)If that happens, I'll just tell, and tell big...
I'll be part of the West Coast Defense Corps, anyway.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Up to 65 huh, yeah get to Finland, good luck!
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Up to 65 huh, yeah get to Finland, good luck!
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)More proof that HOAs and the people the run them are fascist.
MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)Love that meme.
MissB
(15,807 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)hay rick
(7,611 posts)we would never have suffered through 4 days, never mind 4 years, of Trump.
MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)I might add.
Midnight Writer
(21,759 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,093 posts)nowforever
(302 posts)Stalin killed 10 million so Putin has along way to go.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)Flights to Istanbul and Yerevan have sold out. Their stock market crashed. University students were called into recruitment offices just hours after Putin's speech.
People are hoping the government crashes and burns before they start getting more people killed.
There will be a lot fewer people to watch from now on. I'm hoping they're all on their way out of the country.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)Life expectancy of males is 65.5 years or was, while females it is 74.5 years.
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)Certainly, those whose family members haven't returned or returned due to injuries spread the word and the country is understanding the cost? I'm sure the reason for invasion still plucks at the heartstrings, but the reality should be sinking in. That said, if GOP takes the House, all this support will go away. They don't give a shit about anything except rich white Goopers.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Blue Owl
(50,360 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)And most of them will go fight because they're told to. Let's see if the parents and grandparents hit the streets. Then MAYBE something will happen.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Many Russians, like many Americans, Canadians, etc..., want to blame someone for their problems. "The West" is their boogeyman created by Putin. Including the Ukraine "Nazis" working for them.
Many are simply indifferent, they know their leaders lie all the time, but that western leaders lie too, and so why even think about it? Although this new order may wake up a few more of them.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)You cant run a war like this. This is beyond desperation.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Time to say goodbye .your times up
Tick Tock