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I wonder---is demonstrated stupidity and/or extreme and transparent partisan bias (Original Post) Atticus Sep 2022 OP
Absolutely! Meadowoak Sep 2022 #1
I believe "incompetence" is a valid reason. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #2
Looie Gohmert was a Judge too. I always use him as my yardstick of the likelihood of any Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #14
"Incompetence" murielm99 Sep 2022 #22
Should be but I bet not ... MiHale Sep 2022 #3
The Federalist Society did a great job grooming and vetting Cannon. Probatim Sep 2022 #9
Yes the Rebl2 Sep 2022 #19
In the short term it's simple. Never vote Republican! jaxexpat Sep 2022 #24
Good reasons to impeach a couple of SC justices. sop Sep 2022 #4
This. NewHendoLib Sep 2022 #5
Only Rebl2 Sep 2022 #21
All That Is Required To Impeach And Remove A Federal Judge, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2022 #6
That'll Be The Day czarjak Sep 2022 #8
Without question. KPN Sep 2022 #7
I say do it and let them howl. nt Hotler Sep 2022 #10
Judge Cannon certainly deserves impeachment. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #11
She will never be removed by this senate. 3Hotdogs Sep 2022 #12
. dalton99a Sep 2022 #13
This! Holy Cannoli this! calimary Sep 2022 #23
You know what gets me about Cannon and the rest of the Trump supporters? PatrickforB Sep 2022 #15
her "judgement" in this case barbtries Sep 2022 #16
Initially, she struck a different tone, like why are you bringing me this mess. Then she must have Pepsidog Sep 2022 #17
Lord knows there are plenty of examples to choose from. jaxexpat Sep 2022 #18
Not sure it's a road people have thought through Sympthsical Sep 2022 #20
I agree musclecar6 Sep 2022 #26
She'll keep on sitting where she is and watching the money roll in Warpy Sep 2022 #25

Evolve Dammit

(19,374 posts)
14. Looie Gohmert was a Judge too. I always use him as my yardstick of the likelihood of any
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:16 AM
Sep 2022

accountability and I'd say offhand that there is no likelihood of accountability.

MiHale

(10,960 posts)
3. Should be but I bet not ...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:55 AM
Sep 2022

Yes we should find out.

If we had a system to better vet our to-be-elected politicians we may get better appointments.

Probatim

(3,057 posts)
9. The Federalist Society did a great job grooming and vetting Cannon.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:53 AM
Sep 2022

Sometime in the future, another FS judge will use Cannon's decision in another action as precedence.

If there was a liberal/Democratic equivalent the media would be apoplectic over our audacity.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
24. In the short term it's simple. Never vote Republican!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:41 AM
Sep 2022

Once Republicans become rare to the point of extinction, we may choose to legislate some qualifying parameters.

Right now, I'd settle for imprisonment for people who choose to delete the sound of "T" from their speech.* I was at a surgeon's office yesterday, he was training a PA. The surgeon's name was Martin. This highly educated, though yet young, PA in training told me Dr. Mar-in would be in momen-arily. This is a thing people. For some reason the current Valley-Girlesque Californication of the American dialect demands we ignore the "T"'s in our spoken language in order to show we're in on the latest joke on old people. It's in the mouths of newscasters and other public speakers too. We just woke up one day and that's how it was. I guess it's the latest version of wearing leather slippers without socks (even if you had plenty of socks) so popular in the 60's. Another stupid fad gone rogue. The future is that we'll all be killed on a table in an operating room surrounded by "surround sound" playing whale noises at top volume, being cut on by some bimbo with no socks and who talks like an infant. "Wha- were the pa-ients vi-als a- the -ime when his hear- ra-e stopped? Oh and -urn up the whales, that moni-or is -oo loud, tha-s my favori-e par-." It's another one of those goddamned curses leveled on us for allowing cell phones and texting to exist along with the nothing-but-comic-book-heroes cinema culture while universal health care is still a debate. Oh, the humani-y!

* BTW My actual Last name has a T right in the middle of it. You can't say my freaking name without making a T sound. It sounds like a tire puncture without the T, dammit. Excuse me, I mean- -ire punc-ure.

Rebl2

(15,124 posts)
21. Only
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:21 AM
Sep 2022

way that’s happening is if democrats have large majority in house and senate

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
6. All That Is Required To Impeach And Remove A Federal Judge, Sir
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:20 AM
Sep 2022

Is a majority of the House, sixty-seven votes in the Senate, and the political will to see it done.

Lonestarblue

(12,051 posts)
11. Judge Cannon certainly deserves impeachment.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:05 AM
Sep 2022

Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution says that “The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, …”

So what would the understanding of good behavior have been to the Founders? One could surmise that it meant moral uprightness and a fair interpretation/execution of the law applied to the cases before the judge. Judge Cannon failed miserably on moral rectitude as well as a fair application of the law. Her reasoning was so skewed to favor Donald Trump that judges on the 11th circuit called it abuse.

Judge Cannon’s actions deserve impeachment hearings. Republicans will not vote to impeach her, of course, so the question for Democrats is whether the circus Republicans would create around her impeachment would be worth the effort. Imagine the clowns Jim Jordan and Elise Stefanick screaming the House chambers down as they rant about Democrats trying to corrupt the judiciary.

I wish there were some way for a higher-level judicial group to at least sanction her, but I don’t think there is a mechanism for that. Trump obviously went judge shopping and got more than he bargained for. Perhaps something could be done about judge shopping by making changes to have cases assigned arbitrarily rather than motions filed wherever a judge is deemed to be favorable.

calimary

(84,823 posts)
23. This! Holy Cannoli this!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:31 AM
Sep 2022

I’ve been mumbling about how she quite obviously wishes to show gratitude to her - um - “benefactor” who gave her that cool new judge job on his way out.

PatrickforB

(15,131 posts)
15. You know what gets me about Cannon and the rest of the Trump supporters?
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:32 AM
Sep 2022

It's the psychology of it. How can they possibly not know they are going the wrong direction? How?

My wife and I just watched the Chernobyl miniseries on Amazon Prime.

We all know what happened there, of course. But this series highlights the group-think that was pervasive in the old USSR. I mean, these people are sitting there, throwing up in this meeting, denying the core had exploded because it would look bad, and the Soviet was always right. If they screwed up, then it meant the Soviet Union was not always right, and the state was not all powerful and unerring. Seriously. That's how they thought.

But it was too big for that because the radioactive cloud moved over Europe - Germany and the Scandinavian countries. They couldn't just sit there and lie, BUT in the end (spoiler), at the trial where they were trying to 'prove' it was human error and nothing more, the scientist told the truth about the design flaw. He was ostracized by the KGB and ended up hanging himself shortly before the USSR collapsed.

Later, Gorbachev was quoted as saying that the Chernobyl disaster brought down the Soviet Union.

So, Atticus, what is my point here? These Ukrainians and Russians KNEW there was a huge problem and that the state did nothing but lie, but they were scared to confront it because the KGB would do violence to them if they insisted on truth.

I see a bit of a parallel here. I cannot imagine how these Q people and these Trump supporters doing the nazi salute with their pointer finger don't know deep down they are wrong.

It is good the trials are about to happen, for sure. Because maybe it will open some eyes. We can hope.

barbtries

(30,040 posts)
16. her "judgement" in this case
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:47 AM
Sep 2022

certainly calls into question her "judgement" in any case she hears. she's not to be trusted since she either does not know the law or considers it expendable when she prefers to defer to a litigant.

Pepsidog

(6,319 posts)
17. Initially, she struck a different tone, like why are you bringing me this mess. Then she must have
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:00 AM
Sep 2022

received the Lindsey Graham golf trip with Trump treatment and her entire demeanor changed to being another clown installed by Trump.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
18. Lord knows there are plenty of examples to choose from.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:01 AM
Sep 2022

Throw some against the wall and see if they stick. Start with those who have trouble with the scientific method. That should save a lot of time. Then go after whoever gave these yahoos degrees and approved their license to practice law.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
20. Not sure it's a road people have thought through
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:20 AM
Sep 2022

While our short-term interest is focusing on Cannon, best believe the Right has a long list of federal judges they would love to have a go at, because they believe the judges make rulings purely out of partisan utility. (They use "Hawaiian judge" as shorthand for any judge they believe is making a purely partisan ruling).

Once you snap that chain of authority, where it's open season on judges because, "I didn't like this ruling," the right-wing will go at it with an absolute will.

This is one of those cases where it's best to stop thinking about the immediate political interest and give at least a few moments thought to the long-term consequences of wielding impeachment as a partisan political tool throughout the federal judiciary.

Does anyone think that's going to be great for our institutions and the continued degradation of our system through extreme partisanship?

Because where that will lead seems pretty obvious to me. Should be obvious to others. And no amount of, "But, but, but Trump!" is going to be able to rationalize the damage done over time just because it seems like a really good idea in the moment.

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
26. I agree
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:03 AM
Sep 2022


Yeah she really fucked this one up and whether it was through incompetence, stupidity, miss guided federal society ideology etc. who knows. The good part though is the appeal of the 11th circuit immediately came out blasting away at her in no uncertain terms. That’s the thing we need to focus on and that was with two Trump appointees on that three judge appeal group, that read her the riot act.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
25. She'll keep on sitting where she is and watching the money roll in
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:46 AM
Sep 2022

and her decisions overturned, one after another. She will still get paid.

She's a political hack, not a jurist. I don't see her trying to educate herself into the job.

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