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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNEW: Judge Dearie has issued his first order, and it's a doozy
This judge means business. He wants TFG's attorneys to discuss why this case should not be handled in the court where the original search warrant was approved and TFG's attorneys need to state in writing the grounds for return of any property
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Initech
(100,068 posts)GenXer47
(1,204 posts)...Obama's birth certificate
Walleye
(31,017 posts)OMGWTF
(3,955 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,095 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)I gave myself a pardon and total immunity to everything". That's coming be prepared.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)"I thought myself a pardon in my mind before January 20th, 2021. So I have total immunity and you can't touch me. If you do, there will be violence and and it will be terrible; so better not do it."
sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Pinback
(12,154 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)jmbar2
(4,885 posts)Thanks for the post.
MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)The stress of this could be quite hard on TFG's general health and well being.
GenXer47
(1,204 posts)MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)His cult already thinks he is terrifically noble and has sacrificed so much wealth to serve his lunatic base. If he dies running a third time (after having lost the popular vote twice) or doesn't run but dies fighting endless court battles, they will say he was hounded to death and "he gave so much to the America he loved so dearly".
On the other hand, if he is actually convicted of a crime (or multiples) before death, then only the hardest core base will not feel cheated by the Orange Con. Independents will much better understand what a terrible cost a Conner lays on the whole country and be much less inclined to swing to De Santis or other authoritarian.
yonder
(9,664 posts)after a just conviction(s) would be in the best interests of the healing this country needs. Rule of law, scales of justice, law and order, etc. are what Patriots should expect.
Checking out before facing the music is the easy way out.
Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)"I'm declassifying everything with my miiiiiiind!!"
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)This case should have never been heard by Judge Loose Cannon. The special master is asking TFG's attorneys to explain why this matte should not be heard by the judge who issued the original search warrant
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.106.0.pdf
Once the Court has reviewed the Special Masters recommendations and ruled on any objections thereto, the Special Master will, if necessary, consider Plaintiffs motion for the return of property under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 41(g). Plaintiff shall submit a brief in support of the motion no later than seven calendar days after the Courts ruling on the Special Masters recommendations. In addition to addressing the merits of the Rule 41(g) motion, Plaintiffs brief should address specifically whether the motion may properly be resolved in this action or must instead be decided as part of the docket in the action in which the relevant warrant was issued, 9:22-MJ-08332-BER. The government shall submit a responsive brief no later than seven calendar days after submission of Plaintiffs brief. Plaintiff may submit a reply brief no later than three calendar days thereafter. Any party may include a request for oral argument in its initial brief. The Special Master will promptly issue a report and recommendation after briefing and oral argument has been completed
This will be fun to watch
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)It is an open question how much of those millions of dollars are going to actual legal work or being disbursed to secret projects and payoffs.
The Orange ConMan has some kind of hammer over the GQP (Forbes):
The Republican National Committee paid law firms representing former President Donald Trumps personal interests another $350,000 in March, according to a financial report filed Wednesday evening with the Federal Election Commission.
The Republican Party agreed to cover up to $1.6 million of Trumps legal bills as he fights investigations in New York regarding his business practices, the Washington Post reported in December.
Additionally, the grifter is tapping into his PAC which dings donors daily:
A bulk of the legal payments are going to lawyers representing him in the Mar-a-Lago documents case.
The $3,886,999 in legal consulting costs includes a $3 million check written to the law firm Critton, Luttier & Coleman, LLP on Aug. 30. The firm is based out of Palm Beach, Fla., less than three miles from Trump's Mar-a-Lago club.
Former Florida solicitor general Chris Kise is not currently listed as one of the firm's attorneys, but Kise was reportedly paid $3 million up front to represent Trump, according to Politico. Kise was previously a partner at Foley & Lardner, but his ties with the firm were severed upon his hiring by Trump. Kise filed articles of incorporation with the state of Florida on Aug. 24 and entered his first appearance for Trump on Sept. 1.
Neither the firm nor Kise responded to CBS News' requests for comment regarding the payment. A spokesperson for Trump has also not responded to a request for comment.
Save America also paid $207,827 to "Habba Madaio & Associates, LLP," the firm of Trump attorney Alina Habba.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)There are still Repug ads running on the tv, so it's obvious they're not spending enough on their Orange Jesus.
Moosepoop
(1,920 posts)He's asking why the return of property issue shouldn't be "decided as part of the docket in the action in which the relevant warrant was issued..." -- That docket was Judge Reinhart's.
Botany
(70,504 posts)"He wants TFG's attorneys to discuss why this case should not be handled in the court where the original
search warrant." Wow! This is like when he told TFG's lawyers to show proof to the court that documents
in question had been declassified by Trump which they couldn't.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)This is from the filing
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.106.0.pdf
undersigned further proposes that the Special Master will provide the parties with monthly invoices, starting on October 1, 2022, setting forth the hours worked and expenses to be reimbursed. No later than seven calendar days after receiving each such invoice, Plaintiff shall notify the undersigned of any objections to the invoice, which will be promptly reviewed and resolved. No later than seven calendar days after the undersigned has resolved any such disputes (or seven calendar days after receiving an invoice as to which Plaintiff raises no objections), Plaintiff will submit payment in full as directed on the invoice. Failure to make timely payment will be deemed a violation of the Special Masters order subject to sanction pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 53(c)(2)
TFG is getting a bargain other than having to pay for the vendor doing the document delivery and the magistrate
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)That's why they filed with Judge "Loose" Cannon.
She tried to bend over backwards to appease her lord and master, but the higher courts are seeking right through that ruse.
Novara
(5,842 posts)"Pick your own judges to your detriment."
Judge Dearie is also saying "You fucked around. Now you're going to find out."
Botany
(70,504 posts)... type of judge as far as hit court room is concerned. You make a claim or ask for something to
be done you better have proof of your claim or a sound legal reason why the "thing to be done"
should be done. You claim that the documents Trump had in Merde a Logo were declassified fine
bring that proof into my court room or you want a change in venue about hearing a case fine
under what grounds?
Ocelot II
(115,686 posts)they ever coughed up this hairball of an idea - they forgot that old adage, "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it."
ruet
(10,039 posts)into existance. Magical thinking at its finest.
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)another one of those times. He's up to his eyeballs in investigations and it's all going to finally catch up.
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H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Nevilledog
(51,099 posts)yonder
(9,664 posts)Before you know it, it's everywhere, hard to clean up and leaving one wishing they had minded that careless step.
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)they probably didn't even take their shoes off!
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)with hemming ans hawing and generally futzing around instead of doing his job (he's old, he's retired, he's conservative..).
I'm delighted to see they were completely wrong, that he grasps the seriousness of what TFG did, and he questions Loose Cannon's role in the case from the beginning.
I'd just hate to be the poor slob who has to tell TFG all this.
CatWoman
(79,301 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)but the country is full of nonsensical people who will stand by their bloated plutocrat, no matter what.
Jesus done tetched him, dontcha know.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)intrepidity
(7,295 posts)That last line of the first tweet's image, talks about items on the inventory list that plaintiff claims were *not* taken--meaning... what? The items the FBI "planted" there?
Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)Also, adding Judge Orenstein (FISA and current Top Secret clearance) and EDNY staff.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)It's going to be entertaining watching him each time he make his "worse" even more worse. I think I'm going to need to get more popcorn.
wryter2000
(46,040 posts)We'd better all be stockpiling beer.
wryter2000
(46,040 posts)Dearie is right. He's a dearie.
Novara
(5,842 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)TY LMPV!
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)...Then again, the ketchup hitting the fan is as good an excuse to redecorate as any.
kentuck
(111,092 posts)Paraphrasing one of his lawyers.
Novara
(5,842 posts)... it would not end well for him.
What a dumb motherfucker.
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Moosepoop
(1,920 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)smb
(3,471 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)calimary
(81,240 posts)he has to face a judge who can return the favor - and seems to be doing exactly that.
Hes no pushover as Judge Cannon has been. I STILL believe she was leaning toward showing appreciation to trump with helpful rulings as a way to say thank you for that nice judge job he gave her on his way out of power.
Pluvious
(4,310 posts)Hes planning stiff him on his fees !
#GeniusAtWork
William769
(55,146 posts)yardwork
(61,604 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)The bill shitting is it working anymore. These are serious judges and these are serious people investigating serious crimes. His buttery males defense isnt flying.
Johonny
(20,849 posts)He kept no record of his records. He's such a hapless administrator
Ford_Prefect
(7,895 posts)I want Trump himself to swear to it under oath in front of the court that he holds nor has stored in any location any other such documents or copies of same, paper, digital, or any other medium... And then I want a sweep of all of his residences, clubs, and his kid's residences to certify there are no other documents or copies. I suspect there is much more hidden per Cohen.
orleans
(34,051 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)kentuck
(111,092 posts)He's about 4 moves ahead of Trump and his lawyers.
Blue Owl
(50,360 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Can they just turn around and say they don't want this special master and want someone else?
Maybe make up some bogus reason why he's not appropriate?
Or maybe just say they don't want a special master anymore and he's dropped?
There's no way they will comply with his demands so seems their only option is to get rid of him.
lark
(23,099 posts)TFG will list everything under that and what will Dearie do?
twodogsbarking
(9,741 posts)Most new ones save what was copied.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)TFG's attorneys are regretting the appointment of this judge as special master
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/planted-evidence-team-trump-faces-put-shut-test-rcna49111?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
During a Fox News appearance this week, Donald Trump once again raised the prospect of FBI agents planting incriminating evidence against him at Mar-a-Lago. The problem that you have is [law enforcement officials] go into rooms they wont let anybody near they wouldnt even let them in the same building, the former president said. Did they drop anything into those piles? Or did they do it later?.....
For the special master in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case, this apparently isnt quite good enough: U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie, whom Team Trump recommended for the role, has issued a put-up-or-shut-up challenge to the former presidents attorneys. NBC News reported that Dearie has given them until a week from today to back up the allegations.
In a filing Thursday, Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie of New York, the court-appointed special master, ordered the government to turn over copies of all non-classified items seized in the case to Trumps lawyers by Monday. He then ordered Trumps team to submit a declaration or affidavit of any items in the inventory that were removed from Mar-a-Lago that the Plaintiff asserts were not seized from the Premises, meaning items that were put there by someone else.
Dearie also asked Trumps lawyers to identify any items that were seized by FBI agents but not listed in the official inventory. This submission shall be Plaintiffs final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory, the judge wrote.
For weeks, the Republicans lawyers have been afraid to echo their clients claims for an obvious reason: They almost certainly know hes lying. Failed former politicians can say whatever they please in public forums, and Trump has clearly come to believe he can lie with impunity. Attorneys, who can be sanctioned and disbarred, have no such luxury in their court filings.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,195 posts)The special master is going to force TFG's attorneys to answer some key questions. This will be fun
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/22/dearie-trump-order-declassify/
The Mar-a-Lago special master on Thursday ordered Donald Trumps lawyers to state in a court filing whether they believe FBI agents lied about documents seized from the former presidents Florida residence in a court-authorized search last month, or claimed to have taken items that were not actually in Trumps possession.
Dearie also told them to say whether they are claiming that any items on the inventory list were not in fact taken from the premises.
Trump has said on social media and in television interviews that the FBI planted items when they searched his Mar-a-Lago residence and private club on Aug. 8. He also claimed to have declassified documents found in that search that were marked classified and were highly sensitive. His lawyers have not made similar assertions in court, however, instead saying they have not reviewed the seized materials and are unable to confirm whether the governments inventory list is accurate.
Dearies order, in essence, demands that Trumps lawyers back up their clients claims. This submission shall be Plaintiffs final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory, he wrote.
At a hearing Tuesday, Dearie pressed Trumps lawyers to take a position on whether the classified documents were, as Trump has said, declassified, but they demurred.