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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOlbermann was ripping Roger Waters to shreds on Twitter. So I did a search:
Roger Waters gigs in Poland cancelled amid Ukraine backlash
Planned concerts in Poland by Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters have been cancelled amid outrage over the musician's stance on the Ukraine war.
The concert's promoter, Live Nation Poland, confirmed the cancellation but gave no reason for it.
The controversy was triggered by an open letter Waters wrote to Ukraine's first lady, Olena Zelenska.
In it, he said, "extreme nationalists" in Ukraine "have set your country on the path to this disastrous war".
He accused her husband, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, of failing to fulfil his election campaign promises to bring peace to the Donbas region and and made no mention of Russia's responsibility for the war.
In response, Mrs Zelenska wrote on Twitter that it was Russia which invaded Ukraine and was now destroying its cities and killing civilians. "Roger Waters, you should ask for peace from the president of another country," she wrote.
Mr Water's open letter led Łukasz Wantuch, a Krakow city councillor, to urge people to boycott the concerts.
City councillors have drafted a resolution to declare Mr Waters persona non grata, due to be voted on at a session on September 28.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63026101
TeamProg
(6,347 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)He can be cavalier with his slurs - his song "Leaving Beirut" included a name for Italians that rhymes with cops, and he's used a slur for Japanese that rhymes with ship on "The Final Cut" as well.
It's something I've seen and recognized for years, but kind-of looked the other way because he seemed to have good intentions and was just dropping lines like a cranky old man.
Now I'm not so sure about some of the parts of the Wall.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)All in all, we're just a brick in the wall
I love that video
DBoon
(22,427 posts)DBoon
(22,427 posts)Roger lost his soul but not his mind
MLAA
(17,370 posts)Cha
(298,039 posts)Damn Ignorant and being an ASSHOLE about it:
I'd say STUPID!
Zambero
(8,979 posts)Let it be known that he was indeed a legend in his own mind.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)I was able to get cheap scalped tickets because all the MAGATs were pissed off at his politics. I was skipping this time because of his Ukraine statements, but I went and checked scalper prices to see if its happening again
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$25. For an Arena show. Thats less than I paid for Pink Floyd in 1994.
cab67
(3,012 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)But its more than I paid to see Waters in the 80s
samnsara
(17,660 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)But I'm not giving up my Floyd albums either.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,838 posts)Waters walked away from PF decades ago, declaring the band to be played out. Then they, led by David Gilmour, turned around and produced two beautiful albums, infused with Gilmours, Wrights and Masons sheer talent, warmth and humanity, and with none of Waters edgy bitterness.
David Gilmour has also been quite vocal and supportive of Ukraines cause.
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)has always had his shit together
vanlassie
(5,695 posts)RussBLib
(9,057 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,401 posts)He's a master of coaxing a thick, rich, yet clear tone out of any guitar he uses, even though that's typically a Strat.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)after watching videos of the "This is Not a Drill" concert.
The whole concert is on YouTube and many versions of it.
The show is overtly political, and I can agree with some/most of it, but Waters thinks Julian Assange is a hero and Ukraine belongs to Russia.
I'm not giving up my PF albums either. But, mostly, I just watch concerts on YouTube.
Elessar Zappa
(14,139 posts)But now I know that Roger Waters is an asshole.
2naSalit
(86,943 posts)Decades ago when I met him briefly. He's an asshole, misogynist flavored.
Cha
(298,039 posts)I remember reading before awhile ago about his stance on Putin's Fucking WAR oN Ukraine.
Waters is Exactly "Persona Non Grata" with me.
Glory to Ukraine! And, Fuck the Gaslit PutinPushers.
i think he is trying to appeal to the MAGATS
Cha
(298,039 posts)of us on the side of REALITY!
And, then he ends of get his concert cancelled in Poland.
And, TY KO!
bluboid
(563 posts)Polish history against the nazi's
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)But hes definitely an Anti-Western tanky.
If youve seen his video in Mexico City of Pigs (three different ones) where he makes fun of Trump, or his last album, where he refers to him as a leader with no fucking brains, its pretty clear he despises Trump.
I think Rogers problem is the same moral absolutism that made Julian Assange and Edward Snowden momentary heroes. When you decide the West is always wrong, you end up siding with anti-Westerners, even when those anti-Westerners are evil.
Im definitely conflicted, because hes clearly talented. Hes just wrong about some things. But, I also knew he was an asshole after learning how he treated Rick Wright.
prodigitalson
(2,472 posts)Trump replaces Thatcher as the "fucked up old hag" in the song.
oldsoftie
(12,670 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,764 posts)Is he an anti-vaxxer too? Van and Eric want to know.
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)While Roger is a very talented dude, in terms of composition and music, he is actually a bass guitar player.
His views are all over the damn place.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,764 posts)prodigitalson
(2,472 posts)He actually played bass on some Floyd songs because he was better at it. But Waters is one of the best songwriters of the past 100 years IMHO. Still a total asshole, though
progressoid
(50,020 posts)ms liberty
(8,626 posts)A comment with the most insightful analysis of Roger Waters that I've read to date. If I can find it I will edit and the link.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)ms liberty
(8,626 posts)budkin
(6,728 posts)So he deserved that.
OMGWTF
(3,992 posts)The first thing he did when he got on stage was to dis Governor Newsom. It pissed me off so much that I gave him the one finger salute for about 10 minutes until my arm got tired. He saw me, because I was close enough to the stage and I saw him looking at me. Just play the music asshole, then you can fuck all the way off.
Zambero
(8,979 posts)Love spent most of it lambasting other artists who were at the event. I saw it and took an instant dislike to the guy. He's also a dyed-in-the-wool right-wing Republican, as is replacement Beach Boy Bruce Johnston. Brian Wilson is on record as disavowing any political associations with them.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Throughout the performance, Love went out of his way to mock Brian Wilson's mental illness.
The dude is a prick.
Rabrrrrrr
(58,356 posts)is a big ol' pile of shit.
I get that the guy is anti-violence of all types, and anti-state-mandated violence even more, and especially even more state mandated violence that financially benefits the corporations that get paid to create those wars - but I was quite appalled at his last concert when his sentiment of basically "Ukraine could have saved a lot of lives if it had just surrendered" was expressed.
Sorry, Roger - no. Sometimes even the non-violent have to say no to being invaded.
catbyte
(34,542 posts)Now I know why.
prodigitalson
(2,472 posts)Zambero
(8,979 posts)Gilmour also has class and demonstrates more modesty than necessary. He also happens to be an innovative musician and great vocalist. Waters was a great lyricist, but no more than an adequate bassist, and a crappy singer to boot.
catbyte
(34,542 posts)He isn't a "shredder" but he can wring more emotion out of a single note than most other guitarists can manage in a whole catalog of music. His Pulse Concert "Comfortably Numb" solo still gives me shivers and brings a tear to my eye. His solo work is outstanding and he releases new and old music on his YouTube channel.
Danmel
(4,943 posts)Zelenskyy is Jewish.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)Orrex
(63,270 posts)Demnation
(392 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Good one
Joinfortmill
(14,511 posts)lonely bird
(1,700 posts)I have no problem with people in the entertainment field having whatever opinions they have and expressing them. My problem is with RW hypocrites whiny about Hollywood elites except when they support RW bullshit. It is unsurprising that there are RW entertainment asshats. I am actually kind of surprised that there arent more.
prodigitalson
(2,472 posts)But he is a complete asshole. Always has been. His behavior toward the other Floyd's is a perfect example
I had much rather hang out with Dave Gilmour.
Traildogbob
(8,893 posts)Literally lost his mind to acid. He was the original Floyd Guitarist before Gilmore. I think Waters took a trip or two too many along with Sid. Now its caught up to him.
Floyd continued to be amazing without Waters. Gilmore, Wright and Mason did not need Waters base, vocals, or EGO.
ArnoldLayne
(2,069 posts)Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)Shortly after the war started Pink Floyd recorded that song with a Ukrainian musician to call attention to the injustice of Russian hostilities. I kind of wonder if the band doing that factored into his anti-Ukraine sentiment.
treestar
(82,383 posts)how do they get themselves into this pickle after so many years. Eric Clapton too - is it mainly British rock stars? Really no reason for them to get themselves into these things. Only leads to stuff like this.
Goodheart
(5,352 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(43,229 posts)Kid Rock, on the other hand, is just a plain old hack.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,156 posts)And Morrison sang Comfortably Numb at the Berlin Wall show in the late 80s.
Its all connected!!!!!!
themaguffin
(3,833 posts)TheProle
(2,211 posts)and a passionate political thinker. I have not always agreed with his stances, but he has been remarkably consistent.
In the final analysis, Waters will go down in history as a master musician and lyricist.
Olbermann will be remembered as a B-list media narcissist.