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Why did gas prices rise by 58 cents this week in California? (Original Post) onecaliberal Sep 2022 OP
Oil companies have their own speculators legally trading gas future prices (link) uponit7771 Sep 2022 #1
This is fucking nuts already. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #2
+1, Dem have to pressure our reps to get the oil companies INSIDE THE US to at least bracket uponit7771 Sep 2022 #4
Probably never Meowmee Sep 2022 #15
Thank you, I copied your link in my original as well. It's nothing but greed. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #6
+1, ... and starting wars. Russia doesn't need more land they want control of the second largest uponit7771 Sep 2022 #7
Spot on. Russian wants to control Energy and food for Europe. He isn't going to win, but it's onecaliberal Sep 2022 #8
California puts a big tax on the gas. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #13
Because the oligopoly of oil refineries in this state decided they could get away with it? RockRaven Sep 2022 #3
One reason is because refineries have been shut down for maintenance. JohnSJ Sep 2022 #5
They do maintenance every year. It's never gone up 58 cents in one week. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #9
The only business Casady1 Sep 2022 #11
It's jumped 70 cents here in a matter of days Sympthsical Sep 2022 #10
Threefold ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #12
Thank you for explaining it Sympthsical Sep 2022 #14
It Should Drop Back Down ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #19
Predatory Capitalism Emile Sep 2022 #16
Look at price per barrel Iwasthere Sep 2022 #17
It never went below 5.10 here. Now it shot back up to 5.60 or more a gallon this week. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #18

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
1. Oil companies have their own speculators legally trading gas future prices (link)
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:12 PM
Sep 2022
https://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

Whether it was speculators that drove up the cost of gas and oil is still debated. A July 2008 report by the International Energy Agency concluded that speculation had little to do with price increases [source: CNN Money]. But a report issued the following September contradicted the IEA report, pointing to correlations between the influx of money in oil futures markets and the rising cost of oil. The price of oil doubled, tripled and eventually quadrupled in step with the increase from $13 billion to $260 billion in the market from 2003 to 2008 [source: U.S. Senate].

In response to calls for better regulation of oil futures, Congress introduced the Consumer-First Energy Act in May 2008. The bill would have extended CFTC oversight to foreign markets, but the act died on the Senate floor the following June. After the bill was defeated, the argument over oil speculation changed focus. No longer was the debate over what caused oil prices to rise beginning in 2006, but how long the United States would allow speculation to continue.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. +1, Dem have to pressure our reps to get the oil companies INSIDE THE US to at least bracket
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:16 PM
Sep 2022

... their gains and losses because this is getting stupid.

I updated the response to include links and quotes just in case someone tries to act like naked greed speculation has NOTHING to do with anything

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
6. Thank you, I copied your link in my original as well. It's nothing but greed.
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:20 PM
Sep 2022

How is gas 3 dollars and something in red states, but 6 dollars in california. Our special mixture can only account for 50 cents of that. I am tired of giving money to these fuckers that are killing our planet.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
7. +1, ... and starting wars. Russia doesn't need more land they want control of the second largest
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:23 PM
Sep 2022

... oil reserve in Europe and that's in Ukraine in the areas Putrid is trying to annex.

Even if Putrid can't extract the oil himself he keeps Ukraine from doing such and keeps control of a good portion of Europe economy ... so he thought.

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
8. Spot on. Russian wants to control Energy and food for Europe. He isn't going to win, but it's
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:26 PM
Sep 2022

making things difficult in the short terms. We have so much putin envy on the republican side of the government, it's hard not to imagine moscow pulling strings here.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
3. Because the oligopoly of oil refineries in this state decided they could get away with it?
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:14 PM
Sep 2022


That seems to be all it takes.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
10. It's jumped 70 cents here in a matter of days
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:28 PM
Sep 2022

NorCal.

I have no idea what the heck happened. I thought I was misreading it at first. It's been ticking a little bit up over the past three weeks or so, but then just boom. Wholloping jump out of absolute nowhere.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
12. Threefold
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 05:48 PM
Sep 2022

The market speculators bid up refined prices in fear of the hurricane. It's unjustified because the affected refineries produce under 1% of gas & diesel in the US. In addition, the entire industry is running at around 85% of capacity. There was never going to be a shortage but they bid prices up anyway. Which brings us to...
Second, there's no breaking mechanism on the commodity markets to prevent unwarranted pricing. There's only a plunge protection mechanism. So, prices shoot up with nothing to counterbalance rampant speculation.
Finally, when crude & refined futures skyrocketed over Russian aggression, the speculators are still holding high price futures. They have to artificially manipulate price in the near term to cover the losses they're going to take when $2.90 futures have to be sold for 2 bucks.
The real issue is that we have a system based on supply & demand but it operates on emotion & supply can be manipulated at any time.
One storm comes along & the traders pounced.
It's a broken system with no rhyme or reason.
BTW: crude prices went down 2.5% on the same day refined prices went up 10% here. Raws go down, finished goes up? Broken system.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
14. Thank you for explaining it
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 06:06 PM
Sep 2022

Because I was baffled. California, because we have our special mixture and other factors, doesn't necessarily tend to reflect national trends as sensitively as other places. We have a little bit of a waxy price membrane built around our prices.

So to see that sudden enormous jump was shocking. I'm honestly not sure if I've ever seen something like that before. 70 cents in two days?

State average is now $6.18. It was $5.43 a week ago. Our average in June was $6.29 (I think the highest individual day was like $6.43).

So that's all those declines wiped right on out. Not that we really ever declined that much. It never went under $5.30 here after the June spike.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
19. It Should Drop Back Down
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 07:00 PM
Sep 2022

This was spot pricing speculation.
The futures, at much lower prices are still out there. When the markets calm down we can expect things to get back on that downward trend.
Unless, of course, another hurricane spooks the marketeers.

Iwasthere

(3,159 posts)
17. Look at price per barrel
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 06:42 PM
Sep 2022

The last time it was it's current barrel price gas was WAY lower than it is now. I know it take some time for it to reach the pump but it seems to get longer and longer every time

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