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I first read about this over a year ago. The right-wing plan to force a Constitutional Convention to change the US Constitution to reflect conservative values. Today in my email there was my daily The Guardian news update. This is probably the best written article about this plot Ive seen. Everyone should read it and share it. This is how the minority will try to seize control. The article even quotes Christian fanatic Rick Santorum saying We have the opportunity, as a result, to have a supermajority, even though we may not even be in an absolute majority when it comes to the people who agree with us. . They currently control 30 of the 34 states required to do this. WE THE PEOPLE wont exist, itll be the minority fascists controlling everything. If this happens America is over.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/19/steve-bannon-us-constitution-tea-party-republican-state-legislatures?utm_term=634fdfbc66c94ed9a7cd54480c59ec8f&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUS_email
yonder
(9,679 posts)To partially quote a famous guy.
Metaphorical
(1,604 posts)Should we get to a constitutional convention, the US will become at least three countries, which I believe is the real objective of the far right and its oligarchs. They know that the West Coast would not be a party to a country built around a MAGA banner, nor would the Inland Sea area. So long as these two blocs exist as part of the US, the MAGAcracy will be in the minority. Secession by itself is very risky. Instead, they want a political justification to secede without calling it that.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)Living in CA now I hope youre right. Id love to see the new nation of Pacifica form on the coast. Id rather be a citizen here than in Christianistan (what I call the right wing vision).
The scary thing is a constitutional convention is one state one vote. Like that Guardian article said, Wyoming with 500k residents would have the same voting power as California with 80m people. So much for one person one vote. This is the real reason for all the gerrymandering over the years. They know the public would never support it so theyre doing an end-around. Fascism and totalitarianism.
Civil War II could actually happen. But it wouldnt be the right wing Maga-ts rioting, it would be the majority.
TeamProg
(6,285 posts)Aristus
(66,468 posts)jmowreader
(50,566 posts)The West Coast and Hawaii - maybe also Alaska - would be the first.
The Northeast would be number two. Let's say Delaware is the southern border of that state.
The states of the Confederacy would be number three. I don't think they'd reestablish chattel slavery.
The Great Lakes area would be number four.
The American Redoubt area - Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas - would be the fifth.
Texas would become its own country.
Number seven would be everywhere else.
So, you'd have three liberal nations, three conservative ones, and the American Redoubt would become a fascist theocracy.
Sky Jewels
(7,153 posts)HI, WA, OR, CA, NV, AZ, NM, CO. (Maybe AK if it pulls its head out of its ass for good.) Those are all blue states, except for purple AZ, but it would be stupid not to join the new country.
Metaphorical
(1,604 posts)I think it'll break down roughly by watershed and trading blocs (megaregions), and not necessarily even follow existing borders.
This is the megaregion map for the US, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis#North_America), showing regions where there's a strong interconnection of communication, trade, and culture.
You'd see alliances, of course. The Cascadian, NoCal, and SoCal regions are generally natural allies - all Pacific coastal states with strong Hispanic and Asian ties and a shared history of colonization. The Acela corridor in the Northeast echoes the original Northern Colonial states in the US. The Inland Sea (Great Lakes) reaches into the Windsor/Montreal/Toronto corridor in Canada. The Florida peninsula is its own country - it always has been. The Piedmont area is the Heart of Dixie. Some places, like Pennsylvania or Texas, have two such corridors and almost certainly would be split down the middle.
Outside of these, you'd get the aforementioned American Redoubt - places where any megaregions' influence wanes significantly. A big part of the urban/rural divide in American politics is that historical political divisions were driven by colonization factors that had little to do with population or geography. Most of the Rockies are only marginally habitable, for instance, which is how Wyoming, with a population of 500,000, has far more political clout than the city of Seattle (2 million people), much less of Cascadia (17 million).
This is what I don't think most hard-core MAGA understand. They have political clout only due to a historical accident. If North America were to realign along megaregions (which is, I believe, the likely consequence of a civil war), their political clout would disappear entirely.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I totally would support something like this. Growing up in Minnesota and having lived in South Carolina for several years (for work) but retiring there in California I think this would be the eventual outcome. Jesusland would be dead. No energy, no laws, religious totalitarianism, it's like Iran. I think after a few years of religious fanaticism even more people in Jesusland would come around. I can see an eventual Civil War III in Jesusland as the people there realize what the signed up for.
That plus the fact that 8 of the 10 top "taker" states are RED. 8 of the top 10 "giver" states are BLUE. The blue states support the red states financially. Cut off that gravy train to the likes of Kentucky and Mississippi and Alabama and we'll see how things go. Plus all the retirees in Florida suddenly having their Social Security and Medicare slashed, they'll all revolt too.
Add in the west coast being BLUE and all the substandard housing, 8th grade education, unwed mothers, drug problems, it's a slippery slope of their own making.
Jesusland has no future.
keep_left
(1,792 posts)...called Shattered Union (2005). As time goes by, it seems like a more plausible future than anyone would wish.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I remember buying this years ago and playing it.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)pandr32
(11,625 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)TeamProg
(6,285 posts)Above is a subscription link, so it might not go through.
Perhaps google this:
WaPo
McCarthy is already revealing the havoc the GOP could wreak with a majority
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By Jennifer Rubin
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)They're going to tie the debt limit increase to entitlement reform. They'll try to force the Democrats to agree to cuts in Social Security and Medicare before agreeing to raise the debt limit. They'd rather see the US default on it's obligations first.
Considering they controlled the Congress and the White House when Trump was in and DIDN'T DO THIS shows they're more intent on trying to screw Democrats and make political points than they are in serving America. They're traitors IMO.
Magoo48
(4,721 posts)Whether it becomes easier or more difficult to accomplish that here in CA, well, time will tell.
If Gilead does arrive, Ill either be gone, fighting it, or dead. What else is there?
TeamProg
(6,285 posts)Shipwack
(2,172 posts)The SC has nothing to do with whether or not a constitutional convention can convene.
TeamProg
(6,285 posts)federally protected, taking it to the SCOTUS.
No?
Shipwack
(2,172 posts)If a constitutional convention is called (and for the record I don't believe there is much, if any chance that happens) then everything is fair game and anything that can garner 3/4 of the states support can be passed.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)If they succeed in making this a Christian Nation they can easily ban LGBT rights and marriage equality in their new version of the Constitution. Equal rights will disappear.
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Lonestarblue
(10,095 posts)In 2010 Karl Rove crafted a plan to give a minority Republican Party full and permanent control of the federal government. Winning state elections and then gerrymandering each state to ensure permanent Republican power was their goal and they have now succeeded in 30 states. Around the same time, Democrats abandoned the 50-state strategy and essentially handed several states to Republicans.
The Democratic Party leadership needs to stop focusing just on a narrow slice of states needed to win the Electoral College. As a start, we need to identify maybe four states that are candidates for turning purple and then blue and organize around winning state elections there. Taking just four states from Republicans would make a huge difference in their ability to call a Constitutional Convention and totally wreck the country.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Old Crank
(3,638 posts)the Social Security issue. ThE Medicare issue, and women's rights.
Demand that the GOP show a plan.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)rsdsharp
(9,208 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)literally buy the statehouses of four more.
rsdsharp
(9,208 posts)But it will take a mere snap of the fingers to get 8 more states than they have now to ratify whatever bullshit a convention (if its ever called) comes up with?
Right now this is a pie-in-the-sky fever dream of the far right that the average person has never even heard of. It will be even more difficult to get the votes when the results of any convention are actually made public, and people are aware of what might happen.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)What you say about "the average person". People aren't educated. They don't see the danger. People are happy to listen to their dog-whistle quotes by Trump blaming "immigrants" for all their problems. They don't realize the reason they haven't achieved in their lives isn't because of some immigrant Democrat plot, it's because of individual choices and fate. It's easier to blame "those people" like minorities than it is to look in a mirror. Telling people they are "trying to take what is yours" because "they're committing the crimes" is easier than telling people "you didn't finish school and had kids too early and this and that and THAT is why you're struggling now". It's funny the Republicans have always been the ones always screaming about "personal responsibility", yet they're the ones now ignoring that as they rile up their base blaming the boogeyman for their lot in life.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Under Article V of the Constitution, two-thirds of the nation's 50 states, 34, would have to pass resolutions in support of a Convention of States in order for one to be convened. As of July 2022, Business Insider reports, 19 state legislatures have done so.
So there have to be 5 more.
https://conventionofstates.com/states-that-have-passed-the-convention-of-states-article-v-application
1. Georgia March 6, 2014
2. Alaska April 19, 2014
3. Florida April 21, 2014
4. Alabama May 22, 2015
5. Tennessee February 4, 2016
6. Indiana February 29, 2016
7. Oklahoma April 25, 2016
8. Louisiana May 25, 2016
9. Arizona March 13, 2017
10. North Dakota March 24, 2017
11. Texas May 4, 2017
12. Missouri May 12, 2017
13. Arkansas February 14, 2019
14. Utah March 5, 2019
15. Mississippi March 27, 2019
16. Wisconsin January 25, 2022
17. Nebraska January 28, 2022
18. West Virginia March 4, 2022
19. South Carolina March 29, 2022
States where the Convention of States Application has passed in one chamber but not the other (all time):
New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire
States considering the Convention of States Resolution in 2022:
Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming
rsdsharp
(9,208 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)WarGamer
(12,485 posts)liberalla
(9,266 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)If we can. We can fix all the outdated horseshit and finally be a fucking democracy not owned by the rich.