How long after midterms should Garland wait

[brettdale]

To indicate.

[elleng]

1. He shouldn't/won't 'indicate,' he should do what he's doing,

enabling DoJ's 113,114 employees to do their JOBS.

[Auggie]

5. +1

[MyMission]

2. When does the new Congress convene?

January 3rd. I expect a blue wave, but GOPQ will challenge it.
The sooner the better, in my opinion.
I think you meant to say indict, not indicate.

[BigmanPigman]

3. He already waited too long

to make a difference in the midterms. Fuck Garland.

OK, now to all the usual DU lovers of Garland, let me have it. I do not give a shit, and I know how you typically react to all of my past "anti-Garland" posts. He doesn't deserve much praise from me so far. He waited too long and the Jan 6 Comm had to do all the work and if the Dems lose we are all fucked. So fuck you Garland for taking too long to do your fucking job instead of being a member of the Fed. Society.

[secondwind]

8. What makes you think he isn't doing anything??

Trump filled the DOJ with his “people”, remember?

Garland is merely playing this VERY close to the vest. That is what I think.

[BigmanPigman]

9. He is taking too long for it to be effective.

He blew it by waiting and waiting and waiting. The average America has the memory of a gnat. No one gives a shit about the serious criminal acts of the tRump administration. All you see and hear now is "inflation and the economy", not how team tRump committed every crime in the book and is still doing so.

If the shoe were on the other foot Barr would have nailed Biden 12 months ago front and center with all the media in tow. Garland is NOT nailing tRump in the same order and time frame that the GQP would have done, especially at this time in the midterms. There is no comparison. The GQP would have portrayed everything to fit their agenda. The MSM would eat it up and it would be all over the place 24/7. Not the same with Garland at all.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

10. I'm among those Democrats who doesn't feel Bill Barr is a good role model for the US AG.

I don't want to be like them, or what's the point?

I also have full confidence that Garland is building his cases and doing it the right way.

[MissMillie]

18. that's exactly what I was thinking (n/t)

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[Silent3]

32. When you're so concerned about propriety that democracy dies...

...because you didn't act quickly enough, you're doing it wrong.

Garland never would have needed to sink as low as Barr did to act faster and with more urgency.

But gosh, Garland will have a sterling reputation when he's kicked out by Trump or worse, and when the DoJ is turned into something worse than even Barr would have imagined.

If our dreams and hopes that the polls are all wrong are crushed in the next few days, this country is well and truly fucked. Even just Republican control of the House without the Senate will be more than enough to send this country into a death spiral.

At least Garland will have avoided even the slightest hint of looking "too political". Take what comfort you'll get from that.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

33. Not "propriety," but rather making sure one has a case that sticks.

Only takes one juror who can claim "reasonable doubt" to subvert a case.

It is relatively easy to indict. Convictions require more.

Garland has a great record as a prosecutor in important cases.

My concerns over saving the country from Trumpist populist-fascism are as great as those of anyone. Indicting TFG--only to have him get off--would not be helpful in that regard.

Think Garland has a keen grasp of the realities here.

[Silent3]

37. Waiting until after the midterm elections doesn't make a case stronger

I wonder what the next excuse for waiting will be.

[hamsterjill]

14. Thanks for speaking the truth.

n/t

[Scrivener7]

25. This. I wonder if 5 years from now we will still be being

swarmed by people urging "patience geasshopper."

[Just A Box Of Rain]

28. Or if those who constantly slammed Joe Biden's exceptionally competent Attorney General

--a man President Obama thought enough of no nominate him for a seat on the Supreme Court--are going to look bad.

Prosecuting a former president is something that demands building an air-tight case.

[Scrivener7]

30. Someone I have blocked responded apparently. That's always fun.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

34. What a relief to know that I've been blocked by someone who has falsely and repeatedly

accused this lifelong passionate Democrat of being a "Republican."

Oh happy day!!!

[Scrivener7]

36. Wow. That is a DAMN LIE, and you know it! Link to ANY post where I EVER

said you were a Republican? It NEVER happened.

Interesting you would lie so blatantly and egregiously when you thought I would not see it.

Damn lie. And what is your game posting it?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

38. LOL. Sure pal.

[Scrivener7]

40. LINK pal. If it happened so repeatedly ONE link should

be no problem.

Unless your nasty accusation was the DAMN LIE that it was.

Link or show the world It's a DAMN LIE.

[KS Toronado]

16. "let me have it." you say? OK, here's a 1-2 punch

[Scrivener7]

23. You're absolutely right.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. As long as he feels is necessary.

[tinrobot]

6. Until the case can be proven beyond doubt.

Maybe a week, maybe more... who knows.

[elleng]

7. Thank you

[newdayneeded]

20. Hey you stole classified documents,

then searched his house and found stolen classified documents. First hand accounts of trump handling said documents. What exactly isn't clear cut here? Nothing! The DOJ won't do anything because of internal diagnosis showing huge risks of civil unrest.

You and I would be in our 4th day of hearings, if not in prison already.

[Funtatlaguy]

11. Until the twelfth of never...and that's a

Long long time

[MacKasey]

12. One second

[PuraVidaDreamin]

13. As soon as the clock strikes midnight EST!

Which is probably when tRump will declare his 2024 run.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

15. 2 more years

Can’t rush into these things

[Patton French]

17. Who said he should wait until after the midterms? NT

[newdayneeded]

19. He would love to announce,

but now the presidential election is only a little over 2 years away! He's thinking he'll wait until after that......oh wait, then the mid terms are only 2 years after that! Well, maybe after....

[Irish_Dem]

22. Yep, he is afraid he might influence the 2024 elections.

So he better wait until 2025.

[GreenWave]

29. And Barr routinely locked up Trump's corrupt much faster!

Barr didn't say hey the midterms, blah, blah. He did want he wanted. We are talking corrupt Barr too!

[malaise]

21. The Friday before Thanksgiving

would be fine with me

[Emile]

24. He should have been arrested right after the inauguration.

[MissMillie]

26. I have stayed out of most of the discussions on Garland, but now I'll weigh-in

IN MY OPINION:

1. The midterms should have no affect on his timing. TFG is not a candidate on any ballot on November 8. IF Garland is ready NOW, he should indict NOW.

2. By "ready," I mean he has to be able to address every single possible argument against CONVICTION. ALL OF THEM. If there is any argument that can possibly made against conviction, he has to know EXACTLY how to shut down that argument. Once the indictment is filed, a conviction has to be inevitable. We do not get a second chance at this.

3. Is Garland "doing nothing?" Well, as I pointed out in my first statement, if he's waiting until after the midterms, I think that's a mistake. There is no reason to dance around someone who is not on the ballot. If he still has work to do to make a CONVICTION (not just an indictment) then he should be doing what it takes to get the CONVICTION. (Also, I think there's a good reason that we don't have the answer to this question. He has managed, thus far, to be working without leaks to the press. He hasn't commented on the case--which is EXACTLY the way he should be operating. Disclosing information about the case could weaken the credibility of DOJ's work.)

[doc03]

27. 30 seconds

[brooklynite]

31. How about...when his case is ready...

And not a minute sooner.

[gulliver]

39. When he's got a case

Timing-wise, if he's got a case already, I think it's important that he indict Trump the day after the election. He would have just been waiting for the end of the election, and that's appropriate. There's no need for delay after that.

What will Trump do in terms of announcing? I think he'd want to announce as soon as possible. That way he can portray the indictment (lyingly, of course) as the result of his announcement. If Garland indicts before Trump's announcement, Dems can (correctly) portray Trump's announcement as a response to the indictment. Trump needs the Republican Party as accomplices after the fact, and he needs the White House as his hideout lair (again).

[mn9driver]

41. Trump will announce his candidacy around mid November.

The DOJ will hand the investigation over to a special counsel who will be very thorough and methodical in order to build the perfect case and not appear partisan.

When everything is ready, around 18 months from now, indictments will come THIS CLOSE to being released, but they will be held until after the 2024 election in the interest of not appearing partisan at which point they will be held sealed until after the election, at which point they will remain sealed permanently.

[jalan48]

43. Good analysis. I'm not convinced Garland knows what to do with our Trump problem.

[Paladin]

42. How about some time before forever-and-ever-and-ever?

Or is that just too fucking much to hope for? To "indicate," as you so charmingly put it.