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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFact checker blows up one of Ron DeSantis' most bizarre US history claims
Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis received a fact-check on an outlandish claim about United States history that he made at his only debate with Democratic challenger Charlie Crist.
"You have people that are teaching and actually his running mate has said this in the past that teaching the United States was built on stolen land," DeSantis said. "That is inappropriate for our schools; it's not true."
PolitiFact, a nonprofit operated by the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Florida, reached out to the DeSantis campaign for documentation that the statement was not true, but did not receive a response.
"We reached out to historians of Native and non-Native descent. All of them said it is well documented that the U.S. acquired Native American land through dubious treaties and, at times, forcefully confiscated ancestral territories to bolster the country's expansion," PolitiFact reported. "Sometimes the U.S. and Native American tribes struck treaties that defined boundaries and determined land sale prices and forms of compensation. Other times, tribes signed land-ceding agreements under duress."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-checker-blows-up-one-of-ron-desantis-most-bizarre-us-history-claims/ar-AA13Iik8
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,826 posts)There were 500 Nations of Native Americans who settled this land before the first of the white European explorers and settlers came in the late 15th Century. First what was the Caribbean islands in the 16th century, then the actual North American continent not long after.
Damn is Ron DeSantis DUMB!
Chainfire
(17,663 posts)it was not stolen, but simply God's will, codified as manifest destiny.
If thing go belly-up for us on Tuesday, at least we stand a chance of seeing Trump and DeSantis battle to the death for the Republican nomination in a couple of years. It will be like a cage chainsaw fight.
Runningdawg
(4,526 posts)GOD was on their side and they cleansed the land of heathen savages. After their indoctrination of generations of stolen kids, sadly, a good portion of OK Natives now agree with them.
Ocelot II
(115,909 posts)It was taken by treaties and contracts that were breached or by outright force. This country became prosperous because land was stolen from the people who already occupied it and labor was stolen from people who were brought here unwillingly. About damn time we acknowledged that fact and stopped bragging about "American exceptionalism."
Kaleva
(36,367 posts)Or provide compensation
Ocelot II
(115,909 posts)instead of just attributing it to some especially wonderful and unique qualities of the settlers who stole the land and the labor. That would be most of our ancestors, even though they may have benefited only indirectly or unintentionally.
Kaleva
(36,367 posts)Mine arrived around 1900. Some decades after the Ojibwe and the Federal govt signed a treaty.
Ocelot II
(115,909 posts)with the exception of the reservations situated in areas less desirable for farming, was in the possession of white immigrants or their descendants. If the original settlers hadn't taken possession of Indigenous lands there wouldn't have been any land for newer immigrants to buy or inherit. Some of my own ancestors arrived in Wisconsin during the 1850s in the first wave of Scandinavian immigrants, and they were able to take advantage of the fact that land was now available to them. The area had long since been settled by French fur traders who were able to wrest it from the Fox Indians; it was acquired by Britain during the French and Indian war of 1763, and later became part of the Northwest Territory settlement after the Revolution. By the time my ancestors arrived the Indians were pretty much gone, the 1830 Indian Removal Act having forced the indigenous Potawatomi out of Wisconsin to Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, and eventually to Oklahoma. This made land available to white settlers, and my Norwegian great-great-great-grandfather was able to buy land that my relatives still own. He wasn't responsible for ousting the Native people, but he and his descendants certainly benefited. That's pretty much how it worked all over the U.S.
Kaleva
(36,367 posts)Even the Native American tribes took land from other tribes and made it their own The Ojibwe originally came from the St. Lawrence river area and in their westward migration, drove out other tribes
Ocelot II
(115,909 posts)and genocide of the Native inhabitants of the US. Going back a lot farther than my Norwegian 3x grandfather, his distant ancestors (and therefore mine) were Vikings, who were notorious slave traders and owners who made a lot of money that way (and explains why there's so much Celtic DNA in Iceland). That doesn't mean the enslavement of Africans by American slave traders almost a thousand years later was in any respect excusable. "What's the problem, the Vikings did it, too!" doesn't work. Nor do conflicts among Indian tribes and the conquest of each others' lands excuse what white settlers did on the entire continent.
Kaleva
(36,367 posts)And please quote the part where I said that my statement is an attempt to excuse such behavior.
I think we both agree that this has been going on since humans first walked the earth.
MagickMuffin
(15,964 posts)And Stupid People will vote for him!
ShazzieB
(16,564 posts)malaise
(269,225 posts)His grandpa only arrived in the US early in the 20th century and hes effin clueless about history PERIOD
Skittles
(153,226 posts)he is fucking ridiculous
Vogon_Glory
(9,133 posts)whitewashed.
DavidDvorkin
(19,499 posts)bahboo
(16,373 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,665 posts)That ravaged the indigenous cultures, much of the land appeared to be unoccupied and ready for the taking.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,317 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,653 posts)That wasn't a side efffect of the indigenous vulnerability to devastating European diseases, like the Smallpox intentionally loaded into blankets and given to early indigenous contacts.
Whatever could account for the mountains of hundreds of thousands of buffalos piled across the plains and loaded into railway cars and sent to Canada to be ground into fertilizer? Could it have been the stated intention to destroy the food and shelter source of so very many Plains indigenous people, as acknowledged?
Buffalo skins stripped away from the slaughtered plains buffalos, after they mowed down hundreds of thousands of them until only 300 were left? They were fully aware, gleefully aware the indigeneous citizens only killed them when needed for food and for the skins used for warmth and covering their homes against the weather.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Thank you, Judi Lynn.
NickB79
(19,276 posts)It gets a lot of talk in historical circles, but by that point 90% of all Native Americans were already dead from disease.
There are population estimates that put the pre-Columbus Americas population as high as 60 MILLION for North and South America combined. 55 million died of disease.
Hell, so many Native Americans died of disease, it helped cool the planet as forests regrew.
https://www.businessinsider.com/climate-changed-after-europeans-killed-indigenous-americans-2019-2
chriscan64
(1,789 posts)Did the Native Americans forget to call dibs? It would be accurate to say that they called dibs and we called shotgun.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Amen! Thank you!
Not Heidi
(1,324 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,112 posts)And depending on who is president, the US government is still taking their land today for mining and pipelines.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)republianmushroom
(13,763 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)So, no, DeSatan is wrong.
Cha
(297,818 posts)Not Heidi
(1,324 posts)Too bad no one will care that DeSantis is an idiot. Or maybe he just relishes lying because he knows his voters.