Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:33 AM
drray23 (6,933 posts)
For people concerned about the house
We stand a good chance of holding it. Current projections are 218-217. If we do happen to lose it , it will be with a very slim margin.
If it comes to this Nancy Pelosi is a much better leader than McCarthy . She was able to deliver a lot with just a few seats margin. McCarthy won't be able to control his side given how many of them are just there to fling poop instead of legislating . Of course , President Biden or the senate that I believe we are going to hold will also be able to stop any bill in its tracks. The only thing they will be able to do is start stupid congressional investigations that will go nowhere other than making it even more obvious to voters that the GOP is incapable to govern ahead of 2024. Make no mistake. It was a huge loss for the GOP.
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drray23 | Nov 9 | OP |
mcar | Nov 9 | #1 | |
JohnSJ | Nov 9 | #2 | |
wryter2000 | Nov 9 | #5 | |
JohnSJ | Nov 9 | #10 | |
LudwigPastorius | Nov 9 | #17 | |
TomSlick | Nov 9 | #54 | |
mahina | Nov 9 | #42 | |
Johnny2X2X | Nov 9 | #3 | |
drray23 | Nov 9 | #6 | |
JohnSJ | Nov 9 | #11 | |
griffi94 | Nov 9 | #15 | |
ShazzieB | Nov 9 | #22 | |
LeftInTX | Nov 9 | #25 | |
liberal N proud | Nov 9 | #34 | |
wryter2000 | Nov 9 | #4 | |
Traildogbob | Nov 9 | #18 | |
BlueIdaho | Nov 9 | #7 | |
50 Shades Of Blue | Nov 9 | #8 | |
JohnSJ | Nov 9 | #12 | |
honest.abe | Nov 9 | #13 | |
rurallib | Nov 9 | #9 | |
drray23 | Nov 9 | #14 | |
Kennah | Nov 9 | #16 | |
Marius25 | Nov 9 | #19 | |
yardwork | Nov 9 | #41 | |
vlyons | Nov 9 | #20 | |
ananda | Nov 9 | #21 | |
malthaussen | Nov 9 | #23 | |
LeftInTX | Nov 9 | #27 | |
malthaussen | Nov 9 | #28 | |
TheFarseer | Nov 9 | #40 | |
onenote | Nov 9 | #31 | |
LeftInTX | Nov 9 | #43 | |
jaxexpat | Nov 9 | #24 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 9 | #35 | |
jaxexpat | Nov 9 | #45 | |
ancianita | Nov 9 | #26 | |
jaxexpat | Nov 9 | #46 | |
ancianita | Nov 9 | #47 | |
ancianita | Nov 9 | #50 | |
jonstl08 | Nov 9 | #29 | |
calimary | Nov 9 | #30 | |
erronis | Nov 9 | #39 | |
LeftInTX | Nov 9 | #44 | |
republianmushroom | Nov 9 | #32 | |
Beacool | Nov 9 | #33 | |
triron | Nov 9 | #36 | |
Cha | Nov 9 | #51 | |
oldsoftie | Nov 9 | #37 | |
calimary | Nov 9 | #49 | |
oldsoftie | Nov 9 | #55 | |
czarjak | Nov 9 | #38 | |
peggysue2 | Nov 9 | #48 | |
maxsolomon | Nov 9 | #53 | |
maxsolomon | Nov 9 | #52 | |
Zeitghost | Nov 9 | #56 |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:34 AM
mcar (40,342 posts)
1. It'll be a 2 year food fight
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:35 AM
JohnSJ (86,900 posts)
2. I agree with the OPs assessment, however, if we don't retain the House, the next two years will not
be pretty, even if it is by a slim amount
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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:38 AM
wryter2000 (44,737 posts)
5. It will be grisly
However, they won't accomplish anything but make themselves look like utter fools.
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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:22 AM
LudwigPastorius (6,059 posts)
17. They don't care.
The first and second order of business in a Republican House would be impeaching Joe Biden, then impeaching Merrick Garland.
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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #17)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 06:39 PM
TomSlick (10,211 posts)
54. Exactly.
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:36 AM
Johnny2X2X (15,389 posts)
3. Good luck getting all 218 Reps to impeach Biden
There's no way McCarthy will get 100% of his Reps to do stupid things like he wants to do.
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:38 AM
drray23 (6,933 posts)
6. yes indeed. they are starting to see the writing on the wall
and realising that the Trump shtick is up. GOP pundits are pivoting to that this morning. Trump lost a lot of his grip on the party after last night.
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:42 AM
JohnSJ (86,900 posts)
11. I don't know about that. Didn't all the House republicans vote against lowering the price of
insulin?
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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #11)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:56 AM
griffi94 (3,581 posts)
15. Republicans always vote their base's "principles".
But only when they know their vote is futile.
Like the Affordable Care Act. When President Obama was in office, the GOP led House voted unanimously to repeal it dozens of times. When the GOP finally had the House, Senate, and Oval Office They didn't have the votes. GOP Reps. from more moderate districts won't be able to toe the MAGA line. |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:42 AM
ShazzieB (9,654 posts)
22. I agree with this analysis.
When McCarthy was making his dastardly little plans, he was counting on having a nice, fat GOP majority to work with, not a hairsbreadth margin! (And that's assuming they win the House at all, which is yet to be determined.)
So yeah, I'm pretty sure old Kev has a sad today. That's what he gets for counting his chickens! ![]() |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:55 AM
LeftInTX (21,640 posts)
25. He won't do it. He will have other sham investigations.
Anything to give them an edge in 2024.
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:35 PM
liberal N proud (59,610 posts)
34. republicans are sheep
They do what they are told
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:37 AM
wryter2000 (44,737 posts)
4. Proud to rec
If they win the House, their behavior will utterly disgust about 65 - 70 percent of the US voting public.
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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #4)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:24 AM
Traildogbob (6,373 posts)
18. Right!!!
They can try to, and vote to end SS and Medicare and try to ban ALL abortion nationwide, but “Joe can veto” (that should be our battle cry) and they will never have enough to override Joe’s veto. And those votes will be on record for 2024 and could stick a pin in their hopes.
Joe can veto Joe can veto Joe can beto |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:38 AM
BlueIdaho (12,949 posts)
7. IF the GQP wins
They won’t win enough to overcome a Presidential veto. Same goes for the Senate.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:40 AM
50 Shades Of Blue (8,103 posts)
8. There is no way to sugarcoat losing the House.
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #8)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:42 AM
JohnSJ (86,900 posts)
12. Exactly
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #8)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:45 AM
honest.abe (7,114 posts)
13. Yep.
unfortunately
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:40 AM
rurallib (60,283 posts)
9. Hope we win just to keep the J6th Committee going
That work really needs to be completed.
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Response to rurallib (Reply #9)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:48 AM
drray23 (6,933 posts)
14. it was scheduled to be disbanded at the end of this congress.
since committees only last 2 years ( the duration of a congress) .
No matter what, we will need to form a new one and get it voted in in January if that's what we want. |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 10:58 AM
Kennah (9,899 posts)
16. With just a few well placed indictments ...
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:24 AM
Marius25 (1,570 posts)
19. I wouldn't say a good chance.
We're losing like 5 seats in New York because the court threw out the maps, while Florida got to keep theirs.
If we win Bobo's seat, we need to sweep the tables in California to maybe get a 1 or 2 seat majority. And the Senate is still in the air because of AZ, GA, and NV. |
Response to Marius25 (Reply #19)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:33 PM
yardwork (55,663 posts)
41. The Senate is still in the air partly because DNC didn't help Cheri Beasley in NC.
She should have won but was essentially abandoned by the national party, and now the whole country pays the price.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:31 AM
vlyons (9,379 posts)
20. and how many Reps will vote to cut social security?
That has to be a lower from the git-go
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:36 AM
ananda (27,214 posts)
21. Steve Scalise will challenge McCarthy.
McCarthy is weak now.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:53 AM
malthaussen (15,774 posts)
23. And impeach Joe Biden, which would probably be first on their list.
Just for the fun of it, the Senate would not convict. But it will establish a precedent for a GOP House to always impeach the President if he is a Dem, thus rendering the whole process meaningless.
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Response to malthaussen (Reply #23)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:58 AM
LeftInTX (21,640 posts)
27. They won't. They will have other investigations.
They did not impeach Obama.
McCarthy knows impeachment without strong evidence would be political suicide. They won't impeach Biden. They will have sham investigations, beginning with "Election Integrity" They will have investigations to make Democrats "look bad" |
Response to LeftInTX (Reply #27)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:03 PM
malthaussen (15,774 posts)
28. We differ.
I don't think the GOP cares about maintaining any veneer of credibility. I've seen no evidence they do.
No, they did not impeach Mr Obama, but the GOP is considerably more radical now than they were just a few short years ago. I agree, the sham "investigations" will be legion. -- Mal |
Response to LeftInTX (Reply #27)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:29 PM
TheFarseer (9,244 posts)
40. They will probably
just dangle that impeachment carrot for MAGA idiots but not actually do it. The best might be if they try to eliminate social security and cap gains tax and embarrassingly face plant.
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Response to malthaussen (Reply #23)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:23 PM
onenote (39,033 posts)
31. That will depend on the size of their majority.
They may have trouble getting every repub to vote to impeach Biden. While there aren't many R's left that haven't lost their minds, it would only take a few who were concerned that pursuing impeachment would hurt them two years from now when they run again.
Personally, I think pursuing impeachment would backfire on the Repubs going into 2024. |
Response to onenote (Reply #31)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:43 PM
LeftInTX (21,640 posts)
43. That's how I see it. They can do more damage with sham investigations...
Remember how they investigated the IRS in 2013? It helped them in 2014.
Oh and who can forget Benghazi???? McCarthy isn't stupid. |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:55 AM
jaxexpat (4,878 posts)
24. IF the Republicans win the house, they have a pulpit.
From that pulpit they will shamelessly fling their lies, chair the various committees and deny the introduction of facts in their complicity on 1/6/2021. In fact, the whole goddamn "investigation" of 1/6 will be said to conclude that it was just another day in D.C.
Further, the stakes for the safety of Democratic representatives will be raised to easily foreseeable heights. Their new norm will make the attack on Paul Pelosi's into a justifiable action required to stop Democrat's attempts to maintain civilization. There would have been no possibility of the Houses' degeneration had TFG and those still at-large criminals in his cabal been indicted as justice demands and has demanded for 22 almost entirely squandered months. The failure of the DOJ to bring clarity, if not closure, to this is as blatant and disingenuous an act of official malfeasance that there has been since the Iran Contra days. It has enabled the enemy to double down on their public lies with the effect of emboldening fascist elements within the media to their disinformation while encouraging weak-minded voters to "give MAGA another chance". |
Response to jaxexpat (Reply #24)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:36 PM
Hermit-The-Prog (26,537 posts)
35. MAGAts have subverted the courts, DoJ, FTC, and FCC.
The billionaires in the background, with their patriotic-sounding institutes and conglomerated media outlets, have been working on discrediting, disrupting, and dismembering government for over forty years. The current Extreme Court is the fulfillment of a major part of their dream.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #35)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:55 PM
jaxexpat (4,878 posts)
45. The USSC takeover is the keystone of their bridge's arches.
Their bridge to nowhere, for nobody, all for nothing, nearly complete. Fitting that climate change will erase it all, the capstone, so to speak, stretching the masonic metaphors.
There is no joy in Mudville. Democracy has struck out. |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:58 AM
ancianita (30,068 posts)
26. A slim margin is still a slim margin. The poop flingers of the other side still fall vote in line
with McCarthy. Of course they will.
We'd like to think it was a huge loss, but I'd say that for them it was a close loss. Until all the votes are counted, I'm praying we can hold the House. And I'm an atheist. |
Response to ancianita (Reply #26)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:59 PM
jaxexpat (4,878 posts)
46. Praying atheists! Is this what have we've come to?
Whadduh ya tryin ta do, invigorate hope?
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Response to jaxexpat (Reply #46)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:04 PM
ancianita (30,068 posts)
47. lol ... I pray to the universe for karma, mostly.
Hope is the last trick the universe plays on conscious beings.
![]() Right now, I'm planning my big indictment party. ![]() |
Response to jaxexpat (Reply #46)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:09 PM
ancianita (30,068 posts)
50. Furthermore, I'm praying for recent Republican winners to be charged by the DOJ for
a) aiding and abetting (promoting alternate electors, promoting the big lie, inciting a riot to stop the peaceful transfer of power) and
b) accessories after the fact (continuing the big lie to win office, continuing to conspire to nullify popular votes). That should add up to at least ten newly re-upped Republican incumbents. |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:19 PM
jonstl08 (375 posts)
29. Think they will not impeach Biden
This is my opinion and no fact behind it.
Given how close the margin will be if they take over the house I think they will not try to impeach Biden despite the hollering from MTG and the other loons. The sane Republicans know it is a loser and turns off swing voters in 2024. |
Response to jonstl08 (Reply #29)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:22 PM
calimary (73,906 posts)
30. But that assumes there are "sane" Republicans.
I sure don’t see many. But then again, I’m pre-wired to believe you have to be pretty much nuts even to BE a Republican.
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Response to calimary (Reply #30)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:05 PM
erronis (12,105 posts)
39. "believe you have to be pretty much nuts even to BE a Republican" - Exactly!
Once upon a time, long long ago, there were some honest, intelligent people who thought that (R) meant conservatism - fiscal and social.
Nowadays, conservatism doesn't matter atall. Perhaps libertarianism covers some of them but for most its just greed and lust for power. No over-arching ideology, just personal egos (and taking orders from someone....) |
Response to calimary (Reply #30)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:47 PM
LeftInTX (21,640 posts)
44. They are quite capable of other sham investigations. Don't underestimate them.
Look at the IRS investigation (Lois Lerner) and Benghazi....
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-113hhrg89596/html/CHRG-113hhrg89596.htm |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:25 PM
republianmushroom (3,705 posts)
32. I like it
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:33 PM
Beacool (30,177 posts)
33. Long Island was a clean sweep for Republicans.
They won the 4 seats.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:42 PM
triron (20,885 posts)
36. Gabe Vasquez has apparently won a squeaker here in NM
(D)
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Response to triron (Reply #36)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:38 PM
Cha (282,288 posts)
51. I saw that last night.. my time.. Thank Goodness!! nt
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:51 PM
oldsoftie (10,261 posts)
37. I would like nothing better than to come here and say "I was wrong!!"
I didnt see a "red wave" but I also expected the GOP to take the House by SOME number.
Now to take the senate runoff in GA. With their stupid runoff law the state will have to spend millions for ONE race. And we get 4 more weeks of damn campaign ads |
Response to oldsoftie (Reply #37)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:09 PM
calimary (73,906 posts)
49. That's what I thought, too.
Oh for Pete’s sake! You mean it’s NOT over??? DAMMIT!!!
Why couldn’t we have put the whole world to bed last night? |
Response to calimary (Reply #49)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 07:45 PM
oldsoftie (10,261 posts)
55. I've pushed for an end to the GA runoff law for years.
It was started as a way to keep black candidates from winning.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:58 PM
czarjak (8,439 posts)
38. Still not huuuuuge enough.
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:07 PM
peggysue2 (9,582 posts)
48. And even if the Repugs squeak it out with a tiny majority?
They will spend the next two years exposing themselves as bomb-throwers and trolls. McCarthy will wonder why he ever wanted the speakership in the same way Boehner and Ryan were made miserable by their RW nut-jobs.
We shall see! |
Response to peggysue2 (Reply #48)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:54 PM
maxsolomon (29,514 posts)
53. they did exactly that 2 years ago.
and they have barely paid a price. Americans appear to want bomb-throwers and trolls.
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Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:46 PM
maxsolomon (29,514 posts)
52. 218-217 means we lose it? keep it?
losing control of any part of the federal govt is a fucking disaster for America.
there's no upside, no silver lining. |
Response to drray23 (Original post)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 07:55 PM
Zeitghost (2,192 posts)
56. Does it really matter
If they control the House by 1 vote or 50? Anything between 50.1% and 66.7% is the same level of control.
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