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drray23

(7,615 posts)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:33 AM Nov 2022

For people concerned about the house

We stand a good chance of holding it. Current projections are 218-217. If we do happen to lose it , it will be with a very slim margin.

If it comes to this Nancy Pelosi is a much better leader than McCarthy . She was able to deliver a lot with just a few seats margin.

McCarthy won't be able to control his side given how many of them are just there to fling poop instead of legislating . Of course , President Biden or the senate that I believe we are going to hold will also be able to stop any bill in its tracks.

The only thing they will be able to do is start stupid congressional investigations that will go nowhere other than making it even more obvious to voters that the GOP is incapable to govern ahead of 2024.
Make no mistake. It was a huge loss for the GOP.

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For people concerned about the house (Original Post) drray23 Nov 2022 OP
It'll be a 2 year food fight mcar Nov 2022 #1
I agree with the OPs assessment, however, if we don't retain the House, the next two years will not JohnSJ Nov 2022 #2
It will be grisly wryter2000 Nov 2022 #5
True JohnSJ Nov 2022 #10
They don't care. LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #17
Exactly. TomSlick Nov 2022 #54
To us. mahina Nov 2022 #42
Good luck getting all 218 Reps to impeach Biden Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #3
yes indeed. they are starting to see the writing on the wall drray23 Nov 2022 #6
I don't know about that. Didn't all the House republicans vote against lowering the price of JohnSJ Nov 2022 #11
Republicans always vote their base's "principles". griffi94 Nov 2022 #15
I agree with this analysis. ShazzieB Nov 2022 #22
He won't do it. He will have other sham investigations. LeftInTX Nov 2022 #25
republicans are sheep liberal N proud Nov 2022 #34
Proud to rec wryter2000 Nov 2022 #4
Right!!! Traildogbob Nov 2022 #18
IF the GQP wins BlueIdaho Nov 2022 #7
There is no way to sugarcoat losing the House. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2022 #8
Exactly JohnSJ Nov 2022 #12
Yep. honest.abe Nov 2022 #13
Hope we win just to keep the J6th Committee going rurallib Nov 2022 #9
it was scheduled to be disbanded at the end of this congress. drray23 Nov 2022 #14
With just a few well placed indictments ... Kennah Nov 2022 #16
I wouldn't say a good chance. Marius25 Nov 2022 #19
The Senate is still in the air partly because DNC didn't help Cheri Beasley in NC. yardwork Nov 2022 #41
and how many Reps will vote to cut social security? vlyons Nov 2022 #20
Steve Scalise will challenge McCarthy. ananda Nov 2022 #21
And impeach Joe Biden, which would probably be first on their list. malthaussen Nov 2022 #23
They won't. They will have other investigations. LeftInTX Nov 2022 #27
We differ. malthaussen Nov 2022 #28
They will probably TheFarseer Nov 2022 #40
That will depend on the size of their majority. onenote Nov 2022 #31
That's how I see it. They can do more damage with sham investigations... LeftInTX Nov 2022 #43
IF the Republicans win the house, they have a pulpit. jaxexpat Nov 2022 #24
MAGAts have subverted the courts, DoJ, FTC, and FCC. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #35
The USSC takeover is the keystone of their bridge's arches. jaxexpat Nov 2022 #45
A slim margin is still a slim margin. The poop flingers of the other side still fall vote in line ancianita Nov 2022 #26
Praying atheists! Is this what have we've come to? jaxexpat Nov 2022 #46
lol ... I pray to the universe for karma, mostly. ancianita Nov 2022 #47
Furthermore, I'm praying for recent Republican winners to be charged by the DOJ for ancianita Nov 2022 #50
Think they will not impeach Biden jonstl08 Nov 2022 #29
But that assumes there are "sane" Republicans. calimary Nov 2022 #30
"believe you have to be pretty much nuts even to BE a Republican" - Exactly! erronis Nov 2022 #39
They are quite capable of other sham investigations. Don't underestimate them. LeftInTX Nov 2022 #44
I like it republianmushroom Nov 2022 #32
Long Island was a clean sweep for Republicans. Beacool Nov 2022 #33
Gabe Vasquez has apparently won a squeaker here in NM triron Nov 2022 #36
I saw that last night.. my time.. Thank Goodness!! nt Cha Nov 2022 #51
I would like nothing better than to come here and say "I was wrong!!" oldsoftie Nov 2022 #37
That's what I thought, too. calimary Nov 2022 #49
I've pushed for an end to the GA runoff law for years. oldsoftie Nov 2022 #55
Still not huuuuuge enough. czarjak Nov 2022 #38
And even if the Repugs squeak it out with a tiny majority? peggysue2 Nov 2022 #48
they did exactly that 2 years ago. maxsolomon Nov 2022 #53
218-217 means we lose it? keep it? maxsolomon Nov 2022 #52
Does it really matter Zeitghost Nov 2022 #56

JohnSJ

(92,057 posts)
2. I agree with the OPs assessment, however, if we don't retain the House, the next two years will not
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:35 AM
Nov 2022

be pretty, even if it is by a slim amount




wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
5. It will be grisly
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:38 AM
Nov 2022

However, they won't accomplish anything but make themselves look like utter fools.

LudwigPastorius

(9,087 posts)
17. They don't care.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:22 PM
Nov 2022

The first and second order of business in a Republican House would be impeaching Joe Biden, then impeaching Merrick Garland.

Johnny2X2X

(18,957 posts)
3. Good luck getting all 218 Reps to impeach Biden
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:36 AM
Nov 2022

There's no way McCarthy will get 100% of his Reps to do stupid things like he wants to do.

drray23

(7,615 posts)
6. yes indeed. they are starting to see the writing on the wall
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:38 AM
Nov 2022

and realising that the Trump shtick is up. GOP pundits are pivoting to that this morning. Trump lost a lot of his grip on the party after last night.

JohnSJ

(92,057 posts)
11. I don't know about that. Didn't all the House republicans vote against lowering the price of
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:42 AM
Nov 2022

insulin?

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
15. Republicans always vote their base's "principles".
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
Nov 2022

But only when they know their vote is futile.
Like the Affordable Care Act. When President Obama was in office, the GOP led House voted unanimously
to repeal it dozens of times. When the GOP finally had the House, Senate, and Oval Office They didn't have the votes.
GOP Reps. from more moderate districts won't be able to toe the MAGA line.

ShazzieB

(16,249 posts)
22. I agree with this analysis.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:42 PM
Nov 2022

When McCarthy was making his dastardly little plans, he was counting on having a nice, fat GOP majority to work with, not a hairsbreadth margin! (And that's assuming they win the House at all, which is yet to be determined.)

So yeah, I'm pretty sure old Kev has a sad today. That's what he gets for counting his chickens!

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
4. Proud to rec
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:37 AM
Nov 2022

If they win the House, their behavior will utterly disgust about 65 - 70 percent of the US voting public.

Traildogbob

(8,670 posts)
18. Right!!!
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:24 PM
Nov 2022

They can try to, and vote to end SS and Medicare and try to ban ALL abortion nationwide, but “Joe can veto” (that should be our battle cry) and they will never have enough to override Joe’s veto. And those votes will be on record for 2024 and could stick a pin in their hopes.
Joe can veto
Joe can veto
Joe can beto

drray23

(7,615 posts)
14. it was scheduled to be disbanded at the end of this congress.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 11:48 AM
Nov 2022

since committees only last 2 years ( the duration of a congress) .

No matter what, we will need to form a new one and get it voted in in January if that's what we want.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
19. I wouldn't say a good chance.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:24 PM
Nov 2022

We're losing like 5 seats in New York because the court threw out the maps, while Florida got to keep theirs.

If we win Bobo's seat, we need to sweep the tables in California to maybe get a 1 or 2 seat majority.

And the Senate is still in the air because of AZ, GA, and NV.

yardwork

(61,531 posts)
41. The Senate is still in the air partly because DNC didn't help Cheri Beasley in NC.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:33 PM
Nov 2022

She should have won but was essentially abandoned by the national party, and now the whole country pays the price.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
23. And impeach Joe Biden, which would probably be first on their list.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:53 PM
Nov 2022

Just for the fun of it, the Senate would not convict. But it will establish a precedent for a GOP House to always impeach the President if he is a Dem, thus rendering the whole process meaningless.

-- Mal

LeftInTX

(25,066 posts)
27. They won't. They will have other investigations.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:58 PM
Nov 2022

They did not impeach Obama.
McCarthy knows impeachment without strong evidence would be political suicide. They won't impeach Biden. They will have sham investigations, beginning with "Election Integrity"

They will have investigations to make Democrats "look bad"

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
28. We differ.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:03 PM
Nov 2022

I don't think the GOP cares about maintaining any veneer of credibility. I've seen no evidence they do.

No, they did not impeach Mr Obama, but the GOP is considerably more radical now than they were just a few short years ago.

I agree, the sham "investigations" will be legion.

-- Mal

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
40. They will probably
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:29 PM
Nov 2022

just dangle that impeachment carrot for MAGA idiots but not actually do it. The best might be if they try to eliminate social security and cap gains tax and embarrassingly face plant.

onenote

(42,510 posts)
31. That will depend on the size of their majority.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:23 PM
Nov 2022

They may have trouble getting every repub to vote to impeach Biden. While there aren't many R's left that haven't lost their minds, it would only take a few who were concerned that pursuing impeachment would hurt them two years from now when they run again.

Personally, I think pursuing impeachment would backfire on the Repubs going into 2024.

LeftInTX

(25,066 posts)
43. That's how I see it. They can do more damage with sham investigations...
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:43 PM
Nov 2022

Remember how they investigated the IRS in 2013? It helped them in 2014.

Oh and who can forget Benghazi????

McCarthy isn't stupid.

jaxexpat

(6,788 posts)
24. IF the Republicans win the house, they have a pulpit.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:55 PM
Nov 2022

From that pulpit they will shamelessly fling their lies, chair the various committees and deny the introduction of facts in their complicity on 1/6/2021. In fact, the whole goddamn "investigation" of 1/6 will be said to conclude that it was just another day in D.C.

Further, the stakes for the safety of Democratic representatives will be raised to easily foreseeable heights. Their new norm will make the attack on Paul Pelosi's into a justifiable action required to stop Democrat's attempts to maintain civilization.

There would have been no possibility of the Houses' degeneration had TFG and those still at-large criminals in his cabal been indicted as justice demands and has demanded for 22 almost entirely squandered months. The failure of the DOJ to bring clarity, if not closure, to this is as blatant and disingenuous an act of official malfeasance that there has been since the Iran Contra days. It has enabled the enemy to double down on their public lies with the effect of emboldening fascist elements within the media to their disinformation while encouraging weak-minded voters to "give MAGA another chance".

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,232 posts)
35. MAGAts have subverted the courts, DoJ, FTC, and FCC.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:36 PM
Nov 2022

The billionaires in the background, with their patriotic-sounding institutes and conglomerated media outlets, have been working on discrediting, disrupting, and dismembering government for over forty years. The current Extreme Court is the fulfillment of a major part of their dream.

jaxexpat

(6,788 posts)
45. The USSC takeover is the keystone of their bridge's arches.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:55 PM
Nov 2022

Their bridge to nowhere, for nobody, all for nothing, nearly complete. Fitting that climate change will erase it all, the capstone, so to speak, stretching the masonic metaphors.

There is no joy in Mudville.
Democracy has struck out.

ancianita

(35,922 posts)
26. A slim margin is still a slim margin. The poop flingers of the other side still fall vote in line
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 12:58 PM
Nov 2022

with McCarthy. Of course they will.

We'd like to think it was a huge loss, but I'd say that for them it was a close loss.

Until all the votes are counted, I'm praying we can hold the House. And I'm an atheist.

ancianita

(35,922 posts)
47. lol ... I pray to the universe for karma, mostly.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:04 PM
Nov 2022

Hope is the last trick the universe plays on conscious beings.

Right now, I'm planning my big indictment party.

ancianita

(35,922 posts)
50. Furthermore, I'm praying for recent Republican winners to be charged by the DOJ for
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:09 PM
Nov 2022

a) aiding and abetting (promoting alternate electors, promoting the big lie, inciting a riot to stop the peaceful transfer of power) and
b) accessories after the fact (continuing the big lie to win office, continuing to conspire to nullify popular votes).

That should add up to at least ten newly re-upped Republican incumbents.

jonstl08

(412 posts)
29. Think they will not impeach Biden
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:19 PM
Nov 2022

This is my opinion and no fact behind it.

Given how close the margin will be if they take over the house I think they will not try to impeach Biden despite the hollering from MTG and the other loons. The sane Republicans know it is a loser and turns off swing voters in 2024.

calimary

(81,071 posts)
30. But that assumes there are "sane" Republicans.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:22 PM
Nov 2022

I sure don’t see many. But then again, I’m pre-wired to believe you have to be pretty much nuts even to BE a Republican.

erronis

(15,167 posts)
39. "believe you have to be pretty much nuts even to BE a Republican" - Exactly!
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:05 PM
Nov 2022

Once upon a time, long long ago, there were some honest, intelligent people who thought that (R) meant conservatism - fiscal and social.

Nowadays, conservatism doesn't matter atall. Perhaps libertarianism covers some of them but for most its just greed and lust for power. No over-arching ideology, just personal egos (and taking orders from someone....)

oldsoftie

(12,484 posts)
37. I would like nothing better than to come here and say "I was wrong!!"
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 01:51 PM
Nov 2022

I didnt see a "red wave" but I also expected the GOP to take the House by SOME number.
Now to take the senate runoff in GA.
With their stupid runoff law the state will have to spend millions for ONE race. And we get 4 more weeks of damn campaign ads

calimary

(81,071 posts)
49. That's what I thought, too.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:09 PM
Nov 2022

Oh for Pete’s sake! You mean it’s NOT over??? DAMMIT!!!

Why couldn’t we have put the whole world to bed last night?

oldsoftie

(12,484 posts)
55. I've pushed for an end to the GA runoff law for years.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 08:45 PM
Nov 2022

It was started as a way to keep black candidates from winning.

peggysue2

(10,819 posts)
48. And even if the Repugs squeak it out with a tiny majority?
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:07 PM
Nov 2022

They will spend the next two years exposing themselves as bomb-throwers and trolls. McCarthy will wonder why he ever wanted the speakership in the same way Boehner and Ryan were made miserable by their RW nut-jobs.

We shall see!

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
53. they did exactly that 2 years ago.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:54 PM
Nov 2022

and they have barely paid a price. Americans appear to want bomb-throwers and trolls.

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
52. 218-217 means we lose it? keep it?
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:46 PM
Nov 2022

losing control of any part of the federal govt is a fucking disaster for America.

there's no upside, no silver lining.

Zeitghost

(3,840 posts)
56. Does it really matter
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 08:55 PM
Nov 2022

If they control the House by 1 vote or 50? Anything between 50.1% and 66.7% is the same level of control.

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