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Nevilledog

(51,154 posts)
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:17 AM Nov 2022

How do we enforce the separation of church and state?



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Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, who was reelected yesterday, recently dedicated "every square inch" of the state to Jesus: "[With] the authority that I have as governor, and the spiritual authority and the physical authority that you give me, I claim Oklahoma for you."


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10:09 AM · Nov 9, 2022



I don't think we can with the current SCOTUS.
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GreenWave

(6,763 posts)
1. Write books on the facts of evolution; others on how religions plagiarize.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:21 AM
Nov 2022

Increase awareness that the supernatural is losing ground to natural explanations.
Religions seem to have an easy go of it right now. Time to turn up the heat!

Gore1FL

(21,134 posts)
2. I don't know what they really plan to do to offer any meaningful counter.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:23 AM
Nov 2022

Jesus can have every square inch of OK in the mind of the governor with no cares from me.

If he starts making policies that require something from that thought, that's a different story. What that "something" is will define fighting back against it.

Ray Bruns

(4,101 posts)
4. He can't do that. I've already dedicated all of OK to Odin.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:31 AM
Nov 2022

He kept his promise to keep the ice giants away.

no_hypocrisy

(46,144 posts)
3. Join Freedom From Religion Foundation and donate to fund their
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:28 AM
Nov 2022

lawsuits for stuff like this. They have a good track record.

http://www.ffrf.org

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
5. We need a vigorous effort to educate people on the benefits of Separation of Church and State.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:35 AM
Nov 2022

One obvious benefit: in a country with no Separation, if you want to worship in a way not approved by the sect anointed by the political establishment, you're kind of screwed.

Not to point fingers, but there's one denomination that has centuries of experience working hand-in-hand with established governments and getting special benefits from them and they're really good at it. It ain't the Southern Baptists.

In It to Win It

(8,263 posts)
6. Does the state constitution establish a separation?
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 11:40 AM
Nov 2022

If so, the state supreme court may be the avenue to relief

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Thunderbeast

(3,417 posts)
9. I become angrier every day with christo-fascism
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 12:01 PM
Nov 2022

When ignorant hucksters hold up the writings of bronze age nomadic herdsmen who didn't know where the sun went at night as the exclusive basis for morality, law, and science, I get furious.

There are some human lessons in the Bible that are worth understanding. Thomas Jefferson famously used a razor blade to cut and paste a version that left out the superstition and supernatural while leaving those lessons.

Let the record show that this athiest does not recognize the sovereignty of any diety or prophet over Oklahoma or ANY place on this planet.

modrepub

(3,499 posts)
10. I'd Settle for Allowing
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 12:30 PM
Nov 2022

The Church of Satan to publicly proselytize these folks. Why shouldn’t they be subjected to the same public proclamations of faith as we are?

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
11. i've never understood why religion is a protected class
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 12:54 PM
Nov 2022

Why is religion lumped in with race, disability, sex, gender, etc? You CHOOSE to walk into a church or temple or mosque. Should my devout dedication to craft beer be protected against all manner of discrimination too?

Timeflyer

(1,995 posts)
12. The Founders would nullify his election immediately---USA is not a theocracy, dipwade.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 02:00 PM
Nov 2022

Fully fund the IRS so churches that proselytize for politicians get investigated and stopped.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
13. Crack down on homeschooling
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 02:02 PM
Nov 2022

and make sure kids learn why it's important.

Civil society doesn't work if parents and churches can brainwash their kids into being armies for Christ instead of citizens of the US.

Ms. Toad

(34,080 posts)
14. It's just talk.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 02:04 PM
Nov 2022

His first amendment right prohibits stomping simply on things he says in the context of a political campaign/victory speech.

When he takes concrete steps to carry out what he is yakking about, then there is a case to be made.

Solly Mack

(90,777 posts)
18. I'm sure his words made all the non-Christians in Not-so-OK feel ever so safe.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 04:31 PM
Nov 2022

Made them feel like they belong. Made them feel like citizens of the state; entitled to the full protection of law.

Because if there is anything a Jewish or Muslim person, or atheist, etc., wants to hear, it is the governor of their state declaring that the state they live in is claimed for Jesus (Christians).

Words matter.

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