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In 2018 Michigan passed a ballot measure to end partisan gerrymandering (Original Post) dlk Nov 2022 OP
+1000 roamer65 Nov 2022 #1
Without federal legislation, we need a similar ballot measures in other states dlk Nov 2022 #2
Why without federal legislation? I was just thinking they should do this at the federal level. Maraya1969 Nov 2022 #6
Yes! Anything to do with federal elections should be legislated by Congress. LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #13
I think the OP means drmeow Nov 2022 #16
Oh. Thanks Maraya1969 Nov 2022 #17
proud Michigander here.... democratsruletheday Nov 2022 #36
The s... eating smiles are getting real hard to lose... MiHale Nov 2022 #3
Enjoy the win dlk Nov 2022 #21
THANK YOU !!! America needs nationwide voting standards!!! uponit7771 Nov 2022 #4
It's a new day, indeed dlk Nov 2022 #5
That's awesome! We passed the same in Florida in 2010 In It to Win It Nov 2022 #7
It comes down to what the courts allow after Republicans file their usual multiple lawsuits dlk Nov 2022 #12
I don't disagree In It to Win It Nov 2022 #15
Judicial appointments are crucial dlk Nov 2022 #22
Absolutely! In It to Win It Nov 2022 #29
I am still convinced something hinky was afoot with that race and with Trump's r/o SoBlueInFL Nov 2022 #35
That's what made our 2022 legislative results possible. I can't believe that other states won't catbyte Nov 2022 #8
That's the point, for Republicans dlk Nov 2022 #20
I may be wrong on this, but... WestMichRad Nov 2022 #34
Ohio passed a ballot issue on that twice, rustbeltvoice Nov 2022 #9
I'm afraid the conservative majority on SCOTUS is in the pockets of billionaires and corporations dlk Nov 2022 #11
And with Nan Whaley's run for governor in OH dragging down the rest of the ticket not only did ... Botany Nov 2022 #18
To the Ohio Supreme Court's credit, they did strike down the map In It to Win It Nov 2022 #25
Let's see more of this, please. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #10
Nice move with the gerrymandering prohibition, Michigan. jaxexpat Nov 2022 #14
We'd love to send more MAGAts to Canada, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2022 #31
That's fantastic! paleotn Nov 2022 #19
Gerrymandering is the key dlk Nov 2022 #24
Absolutely! jimlup Nov 2022 #23
It's a great story mountain grammy Nov 2022 #26
Never underestimate the power of a woman... dlk Nov 2022 #27
Ballot initiatives are the solution. gibraltar72 Nov 2022 #28
Without federal legislation, this is the alternative dlk Nov 2022 #30
first you have to be in a state where ballot initiatives yellowdogintexas Nov 2022 #32
I understand not all states allow citizens to participate gibraltar72 Nov 2022 #38
without question. Just wish we could do it here yellowdogintexas Nov 2022 #43
This is a great example FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #33
We need that in every state. calimary Nov 2022 #37
There are other states that have citizen committees to establish district maps h2ebits Nov 2022 #40
How did they do it? TheFarseer Nov 2022 #39
The old gerrymandering maps were ridiculous! bif Nov 2022 #41
Every state has rules for ballot initiatives dlk Nov 2022 #42

dlk

(11,709 posts)
2. Without federal legislation, we need a similar ballot measures in other states
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 09:49 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:37 AM - Edit history (1)

Minority rule is strangling our democracy.

Maraya1969

(22,709 posts)
6. Why without federal legislation? I was just thinking they should do this at the federal level.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 09:55 AM
Nov 2022

Something like that would turn most of our country blue.

LiberalFighter

(52,160 posts)
13. Yes! Anything to do with federal elections should be legislated by Congress.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:09 AM
Nov 2022

That way the laws are applied the same state to state. County to county.

drmeow

(5,082 posts)
16. I think the OP means
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:16 AM
Nov 2022

"Absent" federal regulation - not that we don't need federal regulation but given we don't have federal regulation

MiHale

(9,947 posts)
3. The s... eating smiles are getting real hard to lose...
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 09:51 AM
Nov 2022

Plus most times it turns into heartwarming chuckles.

Blue Water, Blue skies, Blue government, Michigan my Michigan.

dlk

(11,709 posts)
12. It comes down to what the courts allow after Republicans file their usual multiple lawsuits
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:07 AM
Nov 2022

Every state court has different judges.

In It to Win It

(8,503 posts)
15. I don't disagree
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:15 AM
Nov 2022

The maps were stuck down by the state court as unconstitutional, only to be reinstated by the appeals court (pending their final decision) and the Florida Supreme Court refusing to reverse the appeals court.

5 years ago, the Florida Supreme Court would have struck down the map. That’s when we had Democratic-appointed Justices on the court but they’re gone now.

In It to Win It

(8,503 posts)
29. Absolutely!
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:41 AM
Nov 2022

That makes governorships, especially in Florida, all the more important.

Winning that one seat has the potential to change the game entirely for Democrats in Florida. Governors pick the judges and Supreme Court justices and they enact or veto the redistricting maps.

In DeSantis’ first election in 2018, he just barely eeked out a victory, only winning by a few thousand votes. Had our guy won, it would have been a game changer for Democrats in Florida and also nationally, giving Dems more seats in the House. Florida Supreme Court precedent says abortion is protected under our state constitution’s privacy clause so the women of Florida had 2 layers of protection, federal constitution (with Roe) and our state constitution. Our guy would have appointed justices that would have protected abortion in our state constitution but now that’s vulnerable.

That one position of governor means everything in Florida politics.

SoBlueInFL

(191 posts)
35. I am still convinced something hinky was afoot with that race and with Trump's r/o
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:42 AM
Nov 2022

recent comments, I'm even more convinced.

catbyte

(34,716 posts)
8. That's what made our 2022 legislative results possible. I can't believe that other states won't
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 09:58 AM
Nov 2022

allow their citizens to start petition drives to bring proposals to a general vote. Seems pretty undemocratic to me.

dlk

(11,709 posts)
20. That's the point, for Republicans
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:19 AM
Nov 2022

They largely don’t believe in democracy because many of their views are in the minority, and if cheating allows imposing their will on everyone else, anyway, Republicans don’t mind.

WestMichRad

(1,385 posts)
34. I may be wrong on this, but...
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:40 AM
Nov 2022

… I think that some states don’t allow for citizen-driven petitions like Michigan does.

Repukes here in Michigan have tried to change the rules to make it much more difficult to gather enough signatures for a petition to qualify for the ballot. So far, they haven’t succeeded. And it’s only thanks to the slim Democratic majority on the state Supreme Court that some proposals make the ballot; Repukes fight citizen-driven ballot initiatives in every possible way.

rustbeltvoice

(432 posts)
9. Ohio passed a ballot issue on that twice,
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:01 AM
Nov 2022

and the Repukes in Columbus defied it repeatedly, and got support from US Supreme Court.

dlk

(11,709 posts)
11. I'm afraid the conservative majority on SCOTUS is in the pockets of billionaires and corporations
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:05 AM
Nov 2022

Their corruption is in plan sight and with lifetime appointments, they don’ care.

Botany

(70,919 posts)
18. And with Nan Whaley's run for governor in OH dragging down the rest of the ticket not only did ...
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:17 AM
Nov 2022

.... she sink Ryan's chance @ the U.S. Senate but 3 wonderful women running for OH's Supreme
Court too and they could have ruled on the gerrymandered districts which makes all Congressional
races in OH over before the 1st vote is cast.

OH is truly fucked.

In It to Win It

(8,503 posts)
25. To the Ohio Supreme Court's credit, they did strike down the map
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:28 AM
Nov 2022

Unfortunately, for the Legislature to run out the clock on the time limit the federal court gave them, forcing the federal court to pick out of a slate of unconstitutional maps to enact.

I’m worried for the Ohio Supreme Court’s jurisprudence on this matter because of the 4-Justice majority that struck down the map, one of them is leaving (Chief Justice O’Connor). That now leaves a 3-Justice minority that would strike down Ohio’s illegal gerrymanders.

jaxexpat

(7,063 posts)
14. Nice move with the gerrymandering prohibition, Michigan.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:12 AM
Nov 2022

But did you really have to send so many of your MAGAts to Wisconsin? Canada could have taken some of them off your hands, I'm sure. They're our #1 trading partner.

dlk

(11,709 posts)
24. Gerrymandering is the key
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:26 AM
Nov 2022

Michiganders now have much to look forward to from their elected representatives.

gibraltar72

(7,537 posts)
28. Ballot initiatives are the solution.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:36 AM
Nov 2022

In Mi. we had initiatives on ballot recently for Marijuana, redistricting and this time womens rights, financial disclosure and voting rights. Every one passed. Republicans fought against every one. Initiatives give reasons to get people to the polling place. I hope other states and citizen groups look to Mi. and see the value of citizens getting what they want on ballots.

dlk

(11,709 posts)
30. Without federal legislation, this is the alternative
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:43 AM
Nov 2022

In some states where the ballot measure has been approved, the courts have overruled the ballot measure, ignoring the will of the voters. Without overriding the filibuster in the senate, federal legislation to end gerrymandering won’t pass without 60 votes. There is much work to be done.

yellowdogintexas

(22,381 posts)
32. first you have to be in a state where ballot initiatives
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:19 AM
Nov 2022

are allowed. We don't have initiative, referendum or recall in Texas. I am kind of surprised since Texas is so my way or the highway about things.

If (big if) we can take back our Legislature, we might get it into the Constitutional Amendment vote which is at the end of the Legislative year (or should I say 6 months). Then we get to have our say. This is a very low turnout vote so if we geared up our voters to turn out we might get it. Those are some BIG ifs though.

gibraltar72

(7,537 posts)
38. I understand not all states allow citizens to participate
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:32 PM
Nov 2022

in democracy. But those that do should use it more, it drives votes.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,490 posts)
33. This is a great example
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:36 AM
Nov 2022

of how one US senator fucked the rest of the country.

Had voting rights passed in early 2021, we'd be celebrating a lot of Michigans right now.

Instead, republicons are working feverishly to undo everything. Thanks to that senator.

h2ebits

(658 posts)
40. There are other states that have citizen committees to establish district maps
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:54 PM
Nov 2022

Colorado passed this into law a couple of years back and, at the time, I recall that several other states were listed as having also created laws to curtail gerrymandering. Due to the census, we picked up a new district. And, voila! despite an incredibly nasty ad campaign by the Republicans--we have a new Democrat elected in that district.

Additionally, keep your fingers crossed. Boebert, who won her election overwhelming 2-years ago, is in an extremely tight race this time. When all the ballots are processed and counted, I am hoping that she will be gone.

bif

(23,000 posts)
41. The old gerrymandering maps were ridiculous!
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:55 PM
Nov 2022

I live in a suburb of Detroit. And our congressional map went from downriver, through the east side of Detroit and up to Pontiac. Absolutely idiotic!

dlk

(11,709 posts)
42. Every state has rules for ballot initiatives
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:57 PM
Nov 2022

Once the rules have been met, ideally the measure goes on the ballot for the voters to decide. Of course, Republicans file lawsuits against anti/gerrymandering ballot measures and depending on the makeup of the state courts, and whether or not Republicans take their case to the Supreme Court, where the conservative majority is hostile to such initiatives, the measure may or may not reach a vote in the state. If the ballot measure survives, along with the inevitable legal challenges, and the voters approve it, the measure becomes state law.

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