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Turnout Was a Big Problem for Democrats in Major Florida Counties
Only about half of the Democrats showed up for Tuesday's election while around two-thirds of Republicans voted.
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In Miami-Dade County, there are 135,229 more registered Democrats than Republicans, but more Republicans showed up: 61% of registered Republicans voted and only 46% of Democrat registered voters.
There are 106,299 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Palm Beach County. 55% of registered Democrats showed up and 66% of Republicans showed up.
The same thing happened in Central and North Florida in several major urban areas. There are 53,156 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Hillsborough County but only 39% of Democrats showed up and 44% of Republicans showed up to vote.
In North Floridas Duval County, there are 31,173 more registered Democrats than Republicans, but 65% of Republican voters voted compared to 49% of Democrats.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/decision-2022/turnout-was-a-big-problem-for-democrats-in-major-florida-counties/2906393/
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)Florida was gerrymandered.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Celerity
(43,545 posts)white, the black vote (racially they make up around 17-18% of the population) has utterly collapsed, the black Dem party apparatus in MIami-Dade is in utter shambles, and finally, the big one, the Latino (not just Cubans at all, that is a big mistake many make, limiting analysis of Latinos in FL to just Cubans) vote is just flooding to the Rethugs and abandoning the Dems (she said likely for a long, long time).
Amishman
(5,559 posts)I'm seeing a fair bit of trying to blame our struggles in NY and FL on gerrymandering. When you look at what happened statewide, it doesn't hold up.
Look at the governor's races in both.
NY we won by ~300k votes with about ~5.7 million cast. In 2018 we won by ~1400k votes with ~5.8 million cast.
FL they won by ~1500k votes with ~7.7 million cast. In 2018 they won by ~30k votes with ~8 million cast
Gerrymandering doesn't move votes out of the state, it doesn't impact statewide races like this.
Vote totals in both cases were down slightly, but not by near as much as the swing in margin. So one of two things happened - either our turnout cratered and theirs soared, or a lot of people who voted blue in 2018 voted red this time. Not sure which is worse, but it's alarming and shouldn't be falsely brushed aside as gerrymandering.
HAB911
(8,916 posts)unless it's just fatalism on our part
True Blue American
(17,989 posts)The reason they won the House! And McCarthy is making all kinds of promises to win as Speaker!
Like you I asked my State Party, What in the hell happened to you? No money for Ryan, no ads, the DNC went silent.
Even at my age I may have to become an activist again. LaRose is pushing an amendment that will mark petitions. Get 60%, rather than the 30% we have had since the early 1900s.
He is scared to death of the voters putting things like abortion, gun rights and voting rights so we can vote for them. That is what stopped Kasich from killing Teachers Unions. He was moderate compared to these crazy Republicans we have now!
Governor Taft went to jail. It would be my pleasure to see DeWine in the same place!
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Really.
They are a network for hooking campaigns up with nuts and bolts stuff like staff and donors, voter databases, and so on.
I don't know where any of you got the idea they do anything more than that, but the sooner you accept how things actually are, the sooner you'll stop expecting the impossible and work on what can be done.
Your state party is the problem. Fix it.
True Blue American
(17,989 posts)But as for funding you are wrong on that. The DNC can get money for funding.
They did not. Did not bring in those who could have helped, such as Obama. Ohio put him over the top in electoral votes in 2008. I stayed up until midnight to see it.
I did the same thing when Sherrod Brown flew from his Mothers funeral to cast the deciding vote for the ACA!
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)there is little hope that they will EVER vote.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Who arrested all those that thought they could vote contributed to this.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)JohnSJ
(92,422 posts)we do much better, then we will never get out of this recurring republican nightmare.
It was still about 45-50% of the total number of registered voters, and that isn't good enough
Yes, we defied the predictions of the so-called experts, but some of that was because of cross over votes. I don't think it is realistic to depend on that in future elections, and registered Democrats and progressive need to get out there and vote in much larger numbers if we every hope to be free of what has become republican extremism
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/turnout-was-high-again-is-this-the-new-normal/
We can't blame everything on redistricting
bedazzled
(1,771 posts)They told me my signature was wrong and I know it wasn't. I had to complete a form with a copy of my driver's license.
They told my son he wasn't registered at our address of five years. His previous voter registration card says he was. Another form and copy of license.
Two out of three in our house were returned.
Since dems vote by mail this seems like a good way to cull them out.
I will vote in person next time.
Darwins_Retriever
(855 posts)The best Democrats could do was Crist. Democrats are losing the Latino vote. The Repubs have worked that group for years. After Puerto Rico was wrecked by a hurricane, What did the senate candidates do? Nelson - Nothing. Scott-went to Puerto Rico, Central Florida (heavily Puerto Rican) and Miami.
sop
(10,265 posts)A lot of people I talk to in South Florida are more engaged in the political problems back in their home countries (or states). And more and more it seems everyone I meet in South Florida comes from somewhere else. I blame it on ignorance and apathy.
markodochartaigh
(1,155 posts)are the Achilles' heels of democracy. US culture fosters both.
pstokely
(10,530 posts)like AZ, GA, or CA
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)DeSantis guaranteed 4 more Magat seats by just gerrymandering.
https://truthout.org/video/floridas-gerrymandered-map-is-now-law-practically-guaranteeing-gop-victories/
Click on the link, it's Amy Goodman talking to Florida House members explaining what happened. Drawing the gerrymandered map was a big reason for voter apathy.
Chainfire
(17,644 posts)Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)Theres no ground game at all. I was so excited when I heard Manny Diaz speak when he first took over the FLDEMS. He promised great things and did nothing.
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)It wasnt gerrymandering. It wasnt arrests. It wasnt improperly filled out ballots.
It was apathy.
We get the government we deserve. I am a Florida man.
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)go to my link above and click on Amy Goodman, she interviews Democratic House members in Florida.
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)I am exaggerating what gerrymandered maps do for voter turnout, right?
With that thought in mind, what a terrible thing Representative Jim Cooper did in Tennessee. Jim has been a reliable Democratic Rep. in the Nashville district since 2003. Jim Cooper resigned rather than run for another term in 2022. So should we all lambaste Jim Cooper for not staying in the race and campaigning to get out the vote? It must have been Cooper's fault that we lost a Democratic House member because he just gave up and quit?
Is that the narrative that Democrats should be pushing?
Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio, Florida gave the Magats the House just because of gerrymandering. A court made New York redraw its map that cost Democrats seats while the Ohio SC also told Ohio to redraw its map but Ohio ignored the court and kept its old gerrymandered map. What is hard to understand about playing the game on a level playing field.
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)Val Demings performed just as well (or bad) as Crist in the governors race, and Crist was not the greatest candidate admittedly.
sop
(10,265 posts)"Florida supreme court declines to rule gerrymandered voting map unconstitutional"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/03/florida-supreme-court-map-unconstitutional
DeSantis' gerrymandering was "unconstitutional," Florida law prohibited it. Some Democratic groups challenged the redistricting, but the Florida Supreme Court refused to act. Like everything else here in Florida government, the FSC has been bought out by special interests. DeSantis can literally get anything passed, no matter how "dystopian."
MichMan
(11,978 posts)Gerrymandering is irrelevant in state wide elections
sop
(10,265 posts)Obviously...to everyone but you...this discussion is about the reason(s) for lower voter turnout overall in Florida, and the belief by many here that Florida's illegal redistricting was intended to cause many voters to become apathetic and stay home.
Are you totally discounting that possiblity? If so, what is your evidence to support that, other than repeatedly stating something everyone already knows: gerrymandering of districts does not affect at large elections.
MichMan
(11,978 posts)It's all speculation
sop
(10,265 posts)DiamondShark
(787 posts)I think many were turned away at their voting precinct because they were at the wrong one.
MichMan
(11,978 posts)DiamondShark
(787 posts)What's your take on the situation in Florida?
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)The NEW YORK Appeals Court made the state re-draw the map based on unique legal issues to their jurisdiction. Namely that the state had passed a law to use an independent commission to draw district lines, but the D-controlled state legislature took that over when the commission reached a stalemate about how to draw the lines. They were deemed to have drawn the lines with partisan gain in mind. The Appeals Court (NY's equivalent of a state Supreme Court) agreed with two previous courts that it was unconstitutional for the legislature to do that. Because that was why the commission was formed in the first place--to get rid of partisan gerrymandering.
Ohio has an independent commission, but the courts let them wait until after the election to fix things. If they ever do. Right or wrong, that was the ruling, and there wasn't anything to do about it beyond that. It sucks. And bad. But countermanding the law would have been more trouble than it was worth.
The other states don't have independent commissions, or any inclination to have them. I also don't see anyone with the power to change it, or the jokes of courts they have, caring one whit about how the r thugs draw up districts, never mind if any of it is fair or nonpartisan, do you? FL and its r thugs are just like those other fascist states, so expecting them to do anything right or fair is an exercise in futility.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)FL and Ohio Democrats need to run young candidates that can motivate young people to vote.
MichMan
(11,978 posts)There were younger candidates that ran, but the voters chose 66 year old Charlie Crist. Nikki Fried is 44 and Candace Daniel is 35.
Should they have cancelled the primaries and just appointed the "right" candidate instead?
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)That's why he won in the primaries, but in the general election, he's not going to motivate people to come out for him. Failed politicians hanging around and living off of their name recognition is the recipe for electoral failure.
The Democratic party in Florida needs to recruit better candidates.
MichMan
(11,978 posts)Would Nikki Fried have done much better against DeSantis?
Val Demings lost to Rubio by 16 points. She wasn't able to motivate voters either.
Most here thought Crist and Demings were great candidates a month ago.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)of recruiting better candidates. Obviously, the candidates that the Democrats ran this year were not up to the task. What most people here think about candidates does not always line up with reality.
Florida Dems need to find better candidates.
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)If Crist wasn't motivating, Val Demings should have been and she performed just as bad as against her less popular opponent (less popular than DeSantis).
Truthfully, I don't know who could have done any better this cycle. Republicans need grievance just like Democrats need inspiration and motivation. I don't know who that motivating figure is just yet. In 2018, Dems turned out the anti-Trump vote but Andrew Gillum was also a pretty motivating candidate. Andrew Gillum felt like an inspring movement kind of politician. I don't know who would that be in a statewide race in Florida.
Polybius
(15,497 posts)Florida leaned Red in 2018 and is now solid Red. It's very hard to win as a progressive in any lean Red state. Beto is another inspirational candidate that's too far to the left for a Red state.
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)It may have cost him those progressive voters from turning out for him. He's progressive and Democrats turned out for him. Let's assume that he did need to moderate a little to get that tiny slice of moderate voters to put him over the top.
He got within an inch of a photo finish race. I kinda feel like if he moderated a little, it may have cost him more votes than he would have gained with moderates. It's like a catch-22. Which part do you turn off the most when you need all of them to put you over the top? He couldn't afford to turn off progressives and moderates, but he can't get one without turning off the other. Charlie Crist is the perfect example of that. Charlie Crist can get all the moderate votes, but progressives aren't turning out for him but he needs both progressives and moderates to turnout for him to have a fighting chance.
Polybius
(15,497 posts)Most inspirational charismatic candidates are very liberal or very conservative. Very few moderates have these abilities.
There are a couple of conservative issues that don't offend anyone on the left. Such as if he started campaigning on lower property taxes for houses under $1 million. That might have gained him a few votes for those that didn't like DeSantis.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Republicans turn out for each other, even if the candidates aren't as conservative as they'd like. They understand what Democrats don't: You vote for the party and hash out the other crap later. Getting in charge is the goal, and it doesn't matter which pony you ride to get there.
Instead, too many Democrats think, "I wanted that other candidate, but s/he lost, so I'm taking my toys and going home."
Or worse, they do what too many of them did in 2016 and vote for the other party's candidate. 12% of them voting for utter scum and another stupid percent voting for outright traitors like Jill Stein cost Hillary the election and has dang near destroyed the country entirely.
The apathetic & whiner contingents of the D party need to grow the F up, stop sniveling, and VOTE D come hell or high water, every single election, primary, mid-term, dog-catcher to President. You can't hash out the rest later if your party's hands are tied because they're not in office.
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)You won't get them coming out for you in the general election.
If candidates can't win with the most loyal party members, they're not going to do any better in an election with people who are not loyal Democrats.
That's reality.
mcar
(42,376 posts)My red county had a very good 60% turnout of Democratic voters, one of the highest in the state. We're way outnumbered here but it's a point of pride, at least.
Elsewhere in the state? I don't get it. It wasn't gerrymandering. But if all those young women are OK with being 2nd class citizens, I guess they are getting what they deserve.
Tickle
(2,541 posts)I tried a copy and paste and even put it in excel but I couldn't format it correctly
Here is a link with party affiliation. I was a bit surprised
https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-party-affiliation/
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)Tickle
(2,541 posts)I just don't get it. What are they drinking in that state?
In It to Win It
(8,286 posts)Like A LOT!
sop
(10,265 posts)Florida has become a haven for older Republicans.
Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)MichMan
(11,978 posts)diva77
(7,659 posts)Eliza Sweren-Becker April 30, 2021
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/florida-enacts-sweeping-voter-suppression-law
The law imposes new restrictions on mail voting, makes voter registration more difficult, and modifes rules for observers in ways that could disrupt election administration.
On Thursday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law S.B. 90, an omnibus voter suppression bill that will make it harder for Floridians to vote.SNIP
Floridas governor and state lawmakers advanced S.B. 90 under the pretext of addressing unfounded and unspecified concerns about election integrity.
The 48-page law makes a slew of changes to Florida elections, including making voter registration more difficult, modifying rules for observers in ways that could disrupt election administration, and restricting the ability to provide snacks and water to voters waiting in line.
Most prominently, it takes aim at mail voting. For example, it requires voters to provide a state ID number or the last four digits of a social security number to obtain a mail ballot, providing no alternative if a voter has neither identification number. And it shortens the time period during which a voter can remain on the states vote-by-mail list (which entitles them to receive a mail ballot automatically).
S.B. 90 also makes it harder for voters to access secure ballot drop boxes. It requires drop boxes to be located either at a permanent county voting office or at an early voting location accessible only during early voting hours. Regardless of location, such boxes must be staffed by a county employee which is likely to further restrict the hours of availability. Local election officials will be subject to a $25,000 fine if they make drop boxes available beyond the strict limits imposed by the bill.
Additionally, S.B. 90 makes it more difficult for voters to receive assistance with the request and return of mail ballots in a number of ways, including by criminalizing any person who possesses two or more mail ballots other than the persons own ballot and an immediate family members. And the law prohibits local and state officials from sending a mail ballot to voters who did not request one.
S.B. 90 also makes it harder for state and local officials to solve problems and protect voters. It prohibits local and state election officials from relying on outside funding for election-related expenses, even during emergencies. Last year, for example, nonpartisan philanthropic grants were essential to election officials ability to conduct safe elections during the pandemic. And it also limits the ability of state and county agencies to settle lawsuits related to elections without interference by the legislature and attorney general.SNIP
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Florida Voter Suppression Law (LWV)
League of Women Voters of Florida v. Lee
Filed: May 6, 2021
Lawsuit brought by the League of Women Voters of Florida, Black Voters Matters Fund, Florida Alliance for Retired Americans and individual voters against all 67 Florida counties challenging voter suppression law Senate Bill 90. The case claims that S.B. 90s drop box restrictions, mail-in ballot repeat request requirement, volunteer assistance ban, deceptive registration warning and food and water ban violate the First and 14th Amendments. The Republican National Committee (RNC) and National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) intervened in the case. Four cases challenging S.B. 90 were consolidated for discovery and trial, with this case named as the parent case. A two-week trial began on Monday, Jan. 31. After the trial, the judge struck down multiple provisions of S.B. 90: the drop box restrictions, line-warming ban and warning requirements for third party voter registration organizations. Florida is also placed under preclearance for the next 10 years and must obtain approval from the court before passing any new laws related to drop boxes, line-warming and voter registration organization activities.
The defendants appealed this decision to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which paused the decision of the district court while the appeal is litigated. This means that the previously-blocked provisions of S.B. 90 are in effect and Florida is no longer under preclearance requirements pending further action by the 11th Circuit. Oral argument is scheduled for Sept. 15, 2022.
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DeSantiss law will sniff out problems that dont exist.
By Fabiola Cineas May 3, 2022, 6:00am EDT
https://www.vox.com/2022/5/3/23048665/florida-election-police-voting-rights
SNIP The election police force also harks back to a time when the United States openly relied on police to keep Black people and other marginalized groups from participating at the polls.
Once you tell these officers that this is their job, theyre going to look for work, and for those irregularities. Its scary given the Southern history of using law enforcement to kill, threaten, and prevent people from voting, said Cecile Scoon, a civil rights lawyer and the president of League of Women Voters of Florida, one of the advocacy groups challenging both SB 90 and SB 524 in court. And especially for older voters, this is a very unwelcome full-circle return to Jim Crow.
"Theres an obvious concern of harassment or intimidation by law enforcement, so some voters may be deterred"
Though much attention has been paid to Floridas vision for an election police force, it is not the first state to create an election law enforcement body. Texass attorney general established an election integrity unit in 2021 and spent $2.2 million to close just three cases. A new Georgia election overhaul law also empowers the states bureau of investigations to look into election violations.
Next, the law increases penalties for actions such as so-called ballot harvesting a person or an organization collecting and submitting multiple ballots from a first-degree misdemeanor to a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison, a $5,000 fine, and up to five years of probation. Relatedly, the legislation raises the cap on fines of third-party registration groups community organizations that help people register to vote from $1,000 to $50,000. A group could face this penalty if they alter someones voter registration application without that persons knowledge or consent. SNIP
electric_blue68
(14,953 posts)are Dems did vote (and are long time friends, of a long time Dem friend of mine in TX) so some are.
tavernier
(12,406 posts)So did my family, including gen z grandson, and my friends. We all voted blue. Most of my neighborhood (Latino) voted red because the men like DeSantis. They see him as macho.. I guess being a bully translates as a manly thing.
HAB911
(8,916 posts)and our neighbors. Hillsborough County Commission even turned red. I think it was fatalism over the Crist/DeSatan race, that there was no reason to bother
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)
and how did our candidates respond?
NOT what SHOULD voters care about; what DID they care about? Whether you think its rational and whether your think its skewed by the mainstream media, you have to start with what voters are thinking, validate their concerns, and THEN discuss why Democrats are better than Republicans. Did our candidates do that?