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Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:02 AM Dec 2022

On Grave-Dancing

Once again, a famous person who held distasteful political beliefs has passed away, and the grave-dancing has commenced. This time it was Kirstie Alley, an actress famous mostly for her long-standing role on Cheers. She was also an avowed conservative (although she withdrew her support for TFG in 2020 and announced she wouldn't vote for either candidate), and a Scientologist. Accordingly, some seem to think it's OK to celebrate her death because she's an "enemy."

Really?

My own criteria for acceptable grave-dancing (YMMV) upon the death of someone whose politics we deplore require considering the following factors:

1. Was the person currently causing a significant amount of social discord, suffering, or other trouble such that their demise will make a noticeable difference in people's lives? Or were they old adversaries who were no longer involved in any kind of public life; or people whose impact was merely annoying, but insignificant?

2. Did they have family, friends and/or associates who genuinely loved them, or were they so disagreeable or toxic that they won't be missed by anyone?

3. Did they ever do anything good or useful, irrespective of their politics; i.e., did they support good causes, donate generously to charities, or provide entertainment through their art, music, acting, etc.? Were they kind to children and animals? Or were they consistently greedy, uncharitable, mean, disinclined to help people or do anything to make their lives easier?

4. Did they contribute negatively or positively to public discourse; that is to say, did they express their opinions, however wrong-headed they might have seemed, courteously and rationally, or as insulting, hateful trolls?

Applying these criteria, I can't think of any reason to dance on Kirstie Alley's grave. She was just an actress with political opinions contrary to mine. I also didn't dance on the graves of John McCain, George H.W. and Barbara Bush, or Bob Dole. I didn't agree with them but I didn't hate them. In fact, the only graves I can anticipate dancing on, and might even do so with pleasure, would be Trump's and Putin's. They meet all of my negative criteria. As to other "enemies," I offer the wise words of Walt Whitman, from Leaves of Grass, written following the Civil War.

RECONCILIATION.

WORD over all, beautiful as the sky!
Beautiful that war, and all its deeds of carnage, must in
time be utterly lost;
That the hands of the sisters Death and Night, incessantly
softly wash again, and ever again, this soil'd world:
…For my enemy is dead—a man divine as myself is dead;
I look where he lies, white-faced and still, in the coffin—I
draw near;
I bend down and touch lightly with my lips the white face
in the coffin.
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On Grave-Dancing (Original Post) Ocelot II Dec 2022 OP
Well 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2022 #1
I wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiment expressed here Xavier Breath Dec 2022 #3
Thank you! well said FirstLight Dec 2022 #2
Well, do any of those anti-us (bad ideology) deceased ones think about the hurt to others UTUSN Dec 2022 #4
What did she do with those politics? iemanja Dec 2022 #18
Same here. All I knew her for post-Cheers was gain tons of weight... brush Dec 2022 #22
Now they are saying she is a scientologist iemanja Dec 2022 #53
Wrong beliefs/policies have bad/wrong effects. Can't give you personal, specific details. UTUSN Dec 2022 #24
Specific details about something I've never heard about? iemanja Dec 2022 #51
Whew, that's so far a leap that I won't even take it personally UTUSN Dec 2022 #56
This thread is in the context of grave dancing iemanja Dec 2022 #75
Leaves of Grass is one of the best reads.. kentuck Dec 2022 #5
Playing Devil's advocate this time... The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #6
Thanks for the link AKwannabe Dec 2022 #26
Good commentary DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #28
Because for some people spreading shit is irresistable and keeping quiet is impossible. milestogo Dec 2022 #7
I recall that she also had some terrible addiction issues. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #8
It was cocaine, she was in rehab, came out clean but found Scientology debm55 Dec 2022 #46
to have no charity at all stopdiggin Dec 2022 #9
Beautifully stated. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #55
Kirstie Alley has loved ones hurting right now. summer_in_TX Dec 2022 #10
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I can't help but imagine ... luv2fly Dec 2022 #11
On this site I truly only grave danced on one newdayneeded Dec 2022 #12
Limbaugh met my negative criteria also. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #13
It's hard to comprehend the damage rush did. newdayneeded Dec 2022 #15
I'll save a spot on Rush's grave for you, flamenco? Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #14
I had no idea that she was conservative iemanja Dec 2022 #16
I'm not a fan of grave dancing either. The only people I'm ever relieved to hear they died... chowder66 Dec 2022 #17
On watering the grave? sarcasmo Dec 2022 #19
I tend to agree w your well thought out post... A very, very few would be on my list... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #20
I don't care. Lunabell Dec 2022 #21
I don't really care, either. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #31
I did a nice little dance after Herman Cain died of covid. Lunabell Dec 2022 #32
In his case though, he never had the opportunity to get vaccinated (as it wasn't out yet) Polybius Dec 2022 #45
I agree, she had no influece on people politically JI7 Dec 2022 #23
She did enough to get attention. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #47
Walt Whitman's poem is very moving -- and you are wise Hekate Dec 2022 #25
I honestly don't care about Kirstie Alley's politics. Initech Dec 2022 #27
She did try to downplay and give comfort. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #41
Thank you... nt Raine Dec 2022 #29
❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #30
Shocking DET Dec 2022 #33
Even Mob bosses will show up to another Mob boss funeral that was their enemy. Xolodno Dec 2022 #34
Some are calling it Karma LeftInTX Dec 2022 #35
If Scientology is a reason for grave-dancing... jmowreader Dec 2022 #36
She supported dump Meowmee Dec 2022 #37
I agree. If you don't fight back against Fascism then you are a fascist. Handler Dec 2022 #49
That has always been my opinion Meowmee Dec 2022 #67
Actually, in October of 2020 she withdrew her endorsement of TFG. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #54
Pointing out what she did and what she was is not hate or grave dancing Meowmee Dec 2022 #66
I didn't even know she died. BlackSkimmer Dec 2022 #38
One of the best things about threads like these... luv2fly Dec 2022 #39
True dat. BlackSkimmer Dec 2022 #42
I follow my mom's (RIP) lead MissMillie Dec 2022 #40
You're a good person. BlackSkimmer Dec 2022 #43
I'm as flawed and the next person MissMillie Dec 2022 #44
Mine was the same. BlackSkimmer Dec 2022 #50
My creed is "wish harm upon nobody" AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #48
Bust a move. 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2022 #52
Is speaks volumes about someone who grave dances. Niagara Dec 2022 #57
Yes. The Dead Can Do No Further Harm. MineralMan Dec 2022 #58
With all due respect, they can. Happy Hoosier Dec 2022 #63
She can do that no longer. MineralMan Dec 2022 #65
My sentiments exactly. Life is too short to spend time rejoicing other people's deaths. mn9driver Dec 2022 #59
Grave dancing has the same effect that 'thoughts and prayers' do Torchlight Dec 2022 #60
Ain't gonna change the taste of mustard JonAndKatePlusABird Dec 2022 #62
I don't generally grave dance... BUT.... Happy Hoosier Dec 2022 #61
Thank you obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #64
Maybe, since she had addiction issues, she fell subject to Scientology and MAGA. I may disagree with debm55 Dec 2022 #69
That's fine for you. Happy Hoosier Dec 2022 #70
Another poster said she did not support Trump iemanja Dec 2022 #76
Hate is a destructive emotion Kaleva Dec 2022 #68
It's corrosive; it hurts you more than it hurts its target. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #72
+1 Kaleva Dec 2022 #74
It's an easy way for people to re-direct their self-loathing and insecurity. egduj Dec 2022 #71
Yes, that could be a possibility Kaleva Dec 2022 #73

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
2. Thank you! well said
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:12 AM
Dec 2022

Grave dancing is a surefire way to rack up some bad Karma IMO.

Honestly, I don't plan on dancing on TFG's grave, I'd rather see him in prison first

I'm more shocked at Kirstie Alley's age...I didn't realize she'd hit 70. She wasn't my cup of tea but she did make some good art and humor.. RIP

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
4. Well, do any of those anti-us (bad ideology) deceased ones think about the hurt to others
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:25 AM
Dec 2022

that their horrible ideological/"religious" beliefs have for others?






iemanja

(53,032 posts)
18. What did she do with those politics?
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:18 AM
Dec 2022

As far as I know, nothing. I never even knew she was conservative, so she couldn't have been that loud about it.

brush

(53,776 posts)
22. Same here. All I knew her for post-Cheers was gain tons of weight...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:45 AM
Dec 2022

then losing it then gaining it back then losing then gaining it back.

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
24. Wrong beliefs/policies have bad/wrong effects. Can't give you personal, specific details.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:53 AM
Dec 2022

I said I liked her early charisma. if somebody with that used it our/my way it would be exponentially good. That's all I've got.

Nite!






iemanja

(53,032 posts)
51. Specific details about something I've never heard about?
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:57 AM
Dec 2022

I said I had never heard she was a conservative, yet according to you--and tell me if I'm wrong-- even holding beliefs we may disagree with means her death should be celebrated? Is that correct? Anyone who isn't a Democratic isn't a human being worthy of respect? Is that your view?

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
56. Whew, that's so far a leap that I won't even take it personally
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:00 PM
Dec 2022

but is enlightening about posts/posters to avoid.






iemanja

(53,032 posts)
75. This thread is in the context of grave dancing
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:00 PM
Dec 2022

You defended grave dancing of conservatives because, you noted, the policies have destructive consequences. Is that not what you said?

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
28. Good commentary
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:27 AM
Dec 2022

and also a previous thought provoking DU article.

There are puhlenty of Republicans to Despise ahead of some lowly retired actress...............

My candidate listing of most despicable would include, beyond Putin and Trump, Trump's spawn, Jared, The entire Republican Senate, DeSatan, a number of other State Governors starting with Texas, the entire Reagan Administration including HW, and the entire administration of WBush for starters. Very high on the list would be Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld............

The possibilities are endless......

It is rumored that Donald Trump has picked out his burial site, and the Cemetery has readied his plot. For starters, they have covered a football field sized area with concrete, complete with surface drains every four feet in all directions......

The Democrats need to get ALOT tougher, for dealing with the ruthless Republicans, but not to just pick on old, retired, TV stars..........

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
8. I recall that she also had some terrible addiction issues.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:38 AM
Dec 2022

She went through stretches where she was a total mess, and I suspect that did a number on her head. It's probably how she got sucked into Scientology. It's hard to dance on the grave of someone with her kinds of issues.

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
9. to have no charity at all
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:41 AM
Dec 2022

is a shallow thing, missing some key element of humanity. There are undoubtedly some few that deserve none, and would make a mockery of efforts otherwise. But - if they become legion - then perhaps look to your own compass and yardstick.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
10. Kirstie Alley has loved ones hurting right now.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:43 AM
Dec 2022

They may have held the same or opposite views as hers, but either way, they should not have to deal with people trashing her. She's dead, she's no longer able to stand up to the criticism, and her kids and relatives did nothing to deserve it.

If there are valid critiques to make, a time of truce during the mourning period seems considerate.


Thank you, Ocelot! What a beautiful poem from Whitman. It's been too long since I read Leaves of Grass.

This resonated with me:

…For my enemy is dead—a man divine as myself is dead;
I look where he lies, white-faced and still, in the coffin—I
draw near;
I bend down and touch lightly with my lips the white face
in the coffin.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
11. Thank you for your thoughtful post. I can't help but imagine ...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:47 AM
Dec 2022

... that Kirstie, or the next person some here deem worthy of grave-dancing, has a relative, however close or distant, who lurks on DU because they share the values so many here gloriously hold. I further imagine how horrible it might feel to read the hatred some hold in their hearts. No matter how loathsome the opinions of some might be, there are people who love and care about that person, and they are in pain. It's just not good to celebrate that.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
12. On this site I truly only grave danced on one
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:55 AM
Dec 2022

person, rush Limbaugh. I will take back absolutely not one word of it.

There's one other person on this planet that will get plenty from me too, I'll give you 2 guesses who that is.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
13. Limbaugh met my negative criteria also.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:59 AM
Dec 2022

I wasn't sorry when he departed, nor will I feel sorry when TFG goes to his eternal reward. Very few people were as irredeemably poisonous and damaging, dare I say evil (a word I use very carefully) as those two.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
15. It's hard to comprehend the damage rush did.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:05 AM
Dec 2022

Today's evil right wing is 100% from his mouth. He made millions of once neighbors turn to hate.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
16. I had no idea that she was conservative
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:15 AM
Dec 2022

Nor do I really care. I don't celebrate the death of people because I happen to disagree with them.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
17. I'm not a fan of grave dancing either. The only people I'm ever relieved to hear they died...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:17 AM
Dec 2022

are serial killers, rapists, child molesters, mass murderers and genocidal maniacs. There are probably a few others but mostly it's the worst of the worst.

electric_blue68

(14,890 posts)
20. I tend to agree w your well thought out post... A very, very few would be on my list...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:24 AM
Dec 2022

tfg ( in prison!)
Putin (even if I wasn't a half 2nd gen Ukrainian-American)

Oh, I was sooo happy when Rushbo bit the dust. Him on our WABC-AM radio here in NYC. No apologies. The sheer damage over ?nearly 2 decades to our country is almost incalculable!
The Poison he spread!!!!!

.


Maaaaybe D Chenbey, and Rumsfeld.

Lunabell

(6,080 posts)
21. I don't care.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:43 AM
Dec 2022

If one feels the need to grave dance I will not criticize. If it makes you feel better, do it. I'm sure that not one person in her circle of family or friends actually gives a shit. Nor will they ever even see it. So, dance away if it makes you feel better.

RIP Kirsty. Sorry you were such a political dumbass, but you were great on Cheers.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
31. I don't really care, either.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:53 AM
Dec 2022

I feel like grave dancing may not be my thing. When Rush died, I breathed a sigh of relief and said "Good riddance." I was glad he was gone, but felt no other emotion beyond that. I don't blame anyone for doing a graveyard dance for him, just didn't feel the urge myself.

Sometimes I wonder what I'll feel when TFG is gone, other than enormous relief. I definitely believe the world will be a better place without him in it.

I will not miss Kirstie Alley, and I will neither mourn nor celebrste her passing. Whatever views she held, I'm sure she did not do a tiny fraction of the damage done by either Trump or Limbaugh to this country or the world as a whole.

Lunabell

(6,080 posts)
32. I did a nice little dance after Herman Cain died of covid.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:03 AM
Dec 2022

That was just stupid and antivaxxers who die from covid deserve a jig or two.

Polybius

(15,398 posts)
45. In his case though, he never had the opportunity to get vaccinated (as it wasn't out yet)
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:18 AM
Dec 2022

He should have masked up though with his past health issues.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
23. I agree, she had no influece on people politically
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:49 AM
Dec 2022

and the 2nd half of her life just seemed mostly sad. She became very unhealthy and hateful . It's like she stopped caring .

But this isn't someone like Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Trump and many others .

Initech

(100,068 posts)
27. I honestly don't care about Kirstie Alley's politics.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:27 AM
Dec 2022

At least she didn't try to overthrow the government and murder half of Congress and their own sitting vice president.

DET

(1,309 posts)
33. Shocking
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:04 AM
Dec 2022

This is the first that I’m hearing of her death. So sudden and unexpected. Kirstie was a first rate actress who excelled at both comedic and serious roles. I didn’t know or care about her political views.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
34. Even Mob bosses will show up to another Mob boss funeral that was their enemy.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:31 AM
Dec 2022

And pay their respects.

There are people who have insulted me and my family and have died. Some even insulted my late father, when I heard of their demise, I took no celebration in it.

I decided not to be like the pitiful people they were.

LeftInTX

(25,295 posts)
35. Some are calling it Karma
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:52 AM
Dec 2022

So when a Democrat dies, is it also karma?

I really didn't pay that much attention to Kirstie. She was just another celeb to me.
I know some celebs are into kooky stuff.

I don't think she caused any harm to the world.

For those who enjoyed her, then they enjoyed her.
She was good on Cheers.

People don't bash the lead actress from The Handmaiden's Tale because she's a scientologist,

Moss practices Scientology[56][57] and identifies as a feminist.[58] After a fan questioned whether her role in the Hulu series The Handmaid's Tale made her think about her involvement with the Church of Scientology, Moss defended her beliefs on Instagram, writing that the idea that Gilead in the series and Scientology "both believe that all outside sources are wrong or evil", as the fan had described, is "actually not true at all". She continued, "Religious freedom and tolerance and understanding the truth and equal rights for every race, religion and creed are extremely important to me."[59]

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
36. If Scientology is a reason for grave-dancing...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 05:04 AM
Dec 2022

...then you're going to have to dance on the graves of half the people in Hollywood. Joining Scientology is kind of "the thing to do" for actors.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
37. She supported dump
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 05:23 AM
Dec 2022

Voted for him and then as I hear would not even vote against fascism second time around. That makes her a fascist and a hateful person who was part of the cause of a lot of harm. That is all I need to know. Scientology is also a crazy, fascist like cult that harms people. Stating the obvious is not gd. Think what could have been and the harm that would not have happened if next to no one had voted for that monster

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
54. Actually, in October of 2020 she withdrew her endorsement of TFG.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:06 PM
Dec 2022
https://people.com/politics/kirstie-alley-not-endorsing-donald-trump/ If you're gonna hate on somebody after they're dead, at least get your facts right.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
66. Pointing out what she did and what she was is not hate or grave dancing
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:28 PM
Dec 2022

I am pointing out that she was a fascist who voted for him. She went on fox news to flaunt it. Maybe she withdrew her support, or maybe she felt the need to pretend to for whatever reason, that does not make what she did right in any way. You might not like me saying this, but it’s wrong, very wrong, what she did. It caused a lot of harm and people are going to continue to call out her and others who are fascists as they should.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirstie-alley-dead_n_638e99fbe4b0214ec982773c

“Alley was also outspoken about politics in recent years and was one of few Hollywood celebrities to support Donald Trump in the 2016 and 2020 elections. She also expressed support for the violent rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 last year following Trump losing his bid for reelection.”

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
38. I didn't even know she died.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 05:35 AM
Dec 2022

I was ignorant of her politics, so all I can feel,is sadness, which I do for most deaths.

When tfg goes, I suspect relief will be my first emotion.

I don’t celebrate anyone’s death. Seems a sad thing to do.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
39. One of the best things about threads like these...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:47 AM
Dec 2022

... is I get to add to my always growing ignore list. Makes DU a better place for me. Some of the venom in this thread is disturbing.

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
40. I follow my mom's (RIP) lead
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:10 AM
Dec 2022

In that grave dancing is unacceptable. FULL STOP

This is not to say that when GOPers suffer some kind of political loss, that I don't celebrate. I most certainly do.

But I won't celebrate when a GOPer dies, gets sick, or is harmed by accidents or violence. My mother would not approve.

I don't pretend that it would be fair of me to expect others to follow suit. Everyone has to make that call for themselves.

I also won't pretend that I am free of judgment. When I see the grave dancing, it hurts my heart, probably because my mom taught me that it SHOULD hurt my heart.

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
44. I'm as flawed and the next person
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:00 AM
Dec 2022

This is just a lesson from my mom that stuck with me.

Back in '81, when Reagan was shot, my friend and I had stopped by my house to pick up something (I don't remember what) for some after-school activity. The Reagan shooting came on the TV and my friend said "Good!" My mother lit into her as if she had been the one to pull the trigger.

Let me add, my mother was NEVER a Reagan fan.

But she was a person who tried to live her life in the "WWJD?" example. She wasn't perfect, but the world was truly a better place with her in it--for everyone that knew her.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
48. My creed is "wish harm upon nobody"
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:08 AM
Dec 2022

because what comes around goes around.
Instead I wish for people to be better and for them to have compassion, empathy, and understanding for others.
Only love beats hate.

Niagara

(7,605 posts)
57. Is speaks volumes about someone who grave dances.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:12 PM
Dec 2022

Thank you for calling out inappropriate behavior, Ocelot.




I didn't agree with Kirstie Alley's political views. However she did open a literacy and tutoring center in her hometown of Wichita, Kansas called Lillie's Learning Place.

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
63. With all due respect, they can.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:03 PM
Dec 2022

Far too often, we allow a terrible person to be eulogized as if they weren;t terrible. That serves to nomralize terrible people and contributes to the overall normalization of crappy, harmful behavior.

Kirstie Alley was not a good person. And she actively tried to make the world a worse place.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
65. She can do that no longer.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:25 PM
Dec 2022

She cannot do anything. She is dead.

That fact is a matter of almost no interest to me. She has never been of any interest to me. She was an actor.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
59. My sentiments exactly. Life is too short to spend time rejoicing other people's deaths.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:39 PM
Dec 2022

We are all on the same conveyor belt.

Torchlight

(3,331 posts)
60. Grave dancing has the same effect that 'thoughts and prayers' do
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:50 PM
Dec 2022

that is, no effect; and certainly no effect on the deceased.

Grave dancing is (all things being equal) without consequence, so any sanctimony I might dress myself in at the expense of others for engaging in it, or the smug self-righteousness I may feel at staying silent, is also meaningless. As grandad used to tell me: it ain't gonna change the taste of mustard.

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
61. I don't generally grave dance... BUT....
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:01 PM
Dec 2022

I will not criticize those who do when the deader is a such a shit person.

I'm done with sympathy. I'm done with being nice. We've tried that and it has brought us to the edge of disaster.

Kirstie Alley was a terrible person. The world is better off without her in it. I believe that and don't feel bad about it.

If you have a little checklist about when it is acceptable for you or other people to celebrate the death of a terrible person. I'm absolutely FINE with you holding yourself to some standard you feel is appropriate. I will will do the same, and ask you extend me the same courtesy I extend you.


Having said that, fuck cancer.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
64. Thank you
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:06 PM
Dec 2022

She was also part of an organization that human traffics, forces abortions on girls and women, commits literal domestic sabotage, etc.

So, that plus everything else? Yeah, no. Was surprised to see such positive OPs praising KA on here last night and today. I never understand why those are A-OK when a terrible person dies, but saying Good Riddance is some kind of no-no.

debm55

(25,164 posts)
69. Maybe, since she had addiction issues, she fell subject to Scientology and MAGA. I may disagree with
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:43 PM
Dec 2022

her, but I won't wish her dead or be glad she died. What point does it make to be glad that someone is dead?

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
70. That's fine for you.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:49 PM
Dec 2022

As I said, I am perfectly fine with you deciding that such feelings are inappropriate for you.

The point of such "grave dancing" is the general satisfaction that there is one less shitty person in the world.

Yeah, maybe she had addiction issues. Lots of people have addiction issues and don't become Trump-loving MAGAts or join a a harmful "religion."

Her behavior moved well beyond "victim" and straight on to victimizer.

Yes, I've hardened my heart to people like her. Again, I typically don't grave dance, and I'm not now, but I do not begrudge those who do for a single minute. She was a terrible person.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
72. It's corrosive; it hurts you more than it hurts its target.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:16 PM
Dec 2022

Life's too short to waste any of it on useless hate and anger. Do what is necessary to prevent destructive people from causing harm but don't get all eaten up in the process.

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