Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:28 PM
albacore (2,065 posts)
Women in prison...
I was reading Louise Erdrich's newest novel - "The Sentence" - last night and stumbled onto this phrase.... "More women are in prison in the state of Minnesota than in all of Canada."
I checked, and it's true!! In fact, virtually every state in the US has more women in prison than in all of Canada. Minnesota isn't # 1 in female incarceration. That dubious honor goes to Idaho. All of Canada (39 million citizens) has 693 women in prison. Idaho (1.9 million) has 991 in prison at last report. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and our female incarceration rate is higher now than ever in the past. Between 1980 and 2020, the number of incarcerated women increased by more than 475%. Only 5% of the world's female population lives in the U.S., but the U.S. accounts for nearly 30% of the world's incarcerated women. WTF is going on??? ![]()
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albacore | Dec 2022 | OP |
LuckyLib | Dec 2022 | #1 | |
luv2fly | Dec 2022 | #7 | |
albacore | Dec 2022 | #13 | |
luv2fly | Dec 2022 | #15 | |
albacore | Dec 2022 | #18 | |
rubbersole | Dec 2022 | #2 | |
Scrivener7 | Dec 2022 | #3 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Dec 2022 | #8 | |
70sEraVet | Dec 2022 | #16 | |
Thomas Hurt | Dec 2022 | #4 | |
rurallib | Dec 2022 | #5 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Dec 2022 | #6 | |
Chainfire | Dec 2022 | #9 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Dec 2022 | #11 | |
sarcasmo | Dec 2022 | #10 | |
Solly Mack | Dec 2022 | #12 | |
Mysterian | Dec 2022 | #14 | |
IbogaProject | Dec 2022 | #17 | |
albacore | Dec 2022 | #19 |
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:34 PM
LuckyLib (6,743 posts)
1. So many women are tied in with sketchy bad boys
who drag them along the crime trail.
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Response to LuckyLib (Reply #1)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:31 PM
luv2fly (2,450 posts)
7. I tried to find some research to support this
And I couldn't. It might be out there so do you have a link? Or is this just your opinion?
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Response to luv2fly (Reply #7)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:39 PM
albacore (2,065 posts)
13. I had to look up the stats.
Google all the way. number of women in prison in Canada, population figures, number of women in prison in Minn, state with the largest number of women in prison...etc
Then... https://www.sentencingproject.org/fact-sheet/incarcerated-women-and-girls/ And... https://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/women/2018.html The graph has the source on it... at the bottom. |
Response to albacore (Reply #13)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:53 PM
luv2fly (2,450 posts)
15. Thank you
I don't doubt the OP at all, I was more interested in the statement that so many women are in prison because of their ties to "sketchy men." The first link includes a link to a story about one woman who was forced into crime because of her relationship, but that's all I'm seeing.
Anyways, thank you. |
Response to luv2fly (Reply #15)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:29 PM
albacore (2,065 posts)
18. Yes.... sketchy bad boys have brought women down for millennia, but the numbers spike ...
around 1980, and are still going up.
Do we have more sketchy bad boys now? I dunno. |
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:35 PM
rubbersole (3,883 posts)
2. Could be the red states think women are just too "uppity".
Response to rubbersole (Reply #2)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:37 PM
Scrivener7 (47,401 posts)
3. AND there's money to be made in pouring people into prisons.
Can't be leaving out a whole profit area.
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Response to rubbersole (Reply #2)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:48 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,584 posts)
8. Nah, it's generally just another facet of the war on drugs.
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:13 PM
70sEraVet (2,335 posts)
16. That's what I'm thinking.
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:08 PM
Thomas Hurt (13,743 posts)
4. Private prison industry
Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #4)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:12 PM
rurallib (60,519 posts)
5. I think you are on to something
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:22 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,584 posts)
6. This is what it "tOuGh On CrImE" looks like. Lots of money to be made in incarceration, whether
the institution is public or private.
Really looking forward to seeing what those numbers look like in a post-Dobbs America when we get those 100,000 new cops coming down the pipe in the "Safer American Plan"!!!!! |
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:59 PM
Chainfire (12,810 posts)
9. Without going to look, I bet that most of the women are serving sentences for non-violent crimes.
Response to Chainfire (Reply #9)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:16 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,584 posts)
11. That is true of the incarcerated population as a whole.
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:13 PM
sarcasmo (22,984 posts)
10. Prison is a growth industry. $$$$
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:19 PM
Solly Mack (89,049 posts)
12. ...
FACTS ABOUT THE OVER-INCARCERATION OF WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES
The above link is to the ACLU, and they get many of their facts from The Sentencing Project (in the link below). Incarcerated Women and Girls from the Sentencing Project
Research on female incarceration is critical to understanding the full consequences of mass incarceration and to unraveling the policies and practices that lead to their criminalization. The number of incarcerated women was nearly five times higher in 2020 than in 1980. There is, of course, more information out there. Just in case anyone was curious. |
Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:46 PM
Mysterian (3,703 posts)
14. The sham "war" on some drugs turned the USA into a quasi-police state,
destroyed our Fourth Amendment rights, and gave us the highest prison population of any society in the history of Earth.
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Response to albacore (Original post)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:29 PM
IbogaProject (1,699 posts)
17. two ideas
Many women get setup in some way or just accused by someone trying to lower their own trouble.
The other is punitive 'get to work' policies which unintentionally encourage criminality when women are stuck with kids they can't easily support. |
Response to IbogaProject (Reply #17)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:33 PM
albacore (2,065 posts)
19. Lots of good comments..
Thanks.
One observation not mentioned. The numbers started spiking around 1980. It's that fucking Reagan! Almost any graph you look at shows 1980 to be a revolutionary year. The decline of the middle class. Wages vs. corporate profits. Global warming. That confused old fucker may have done us in... even decades after he died. |