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Joinfortmill

(14,548 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:46 PM Dec 2022

An Insanity Plea for Trump? Professor Tribe says, 'Yes'.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-s-legal-team-should-have-him-plead-insanity-harvard-law-professor/

'Trump's legal team should have him plead insanity: Harvard law professor'

'Constitutional law expert Lawrence Tribe tweeted this Sunday that Donald Trump's legal team should get him to plead insanity if he goes to trial.'

I don't see Trump agreeing to this but, hey, could happen (my words). What do you think?
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Trump will plea insanity
1 (4%)
Trump will NOT plea insanity
0 (0%)
Trump will plead guilty
0 (0%)
Trump will plead NOT guilty
7 (28%)
Trump will flee the country
1 (4%)
Trump will kill himself
0 (0%)
Trump will refuse to leave Mar-a-Lago and the Feds will have to pull him out by his hair
15 (60%)
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An Insanity Plea for Trump? Professor Tribe says, 'Yes'. (Original Post) Joinfortmill Dec 2022 OP
They'll have to drag him out of Mar a Lago AND he will plead insanity. CTyankee Dec 2022 #1
no, it's real. his brain is swiss cheese. mopinko Dec 2022 #3
Well, ok, whatever. I just want that wart on the ass of humanity to be gone and never heard from CTyankee Dec 2022 #4
i've been hoping for this for a while, so i voted my hopes. mopinko Dec 2022 #2
well, in a way, having him declared incompetent to stand trial might get him out of our sight. CTyankee Dec 2022 #6
Professor Tribe's track record with predictions re: tfg is pretty awful. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #5
Trump doesn't meet the criteria for not reason by reason of insanity. (NGRI) Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #7
they have a ton of evidence, and he is clearly delusional. mopinko Dec 2022 #10
Being a narcissistic sociopath is not sufficient for NGRI. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #11
clear dementia isnt grounds? rly? mopinko Dec 2022 #12
He'll plead temporary insanity bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #8
TRG will not plead guilty, to insanity, & will need to be dragged out of mar-a-loco FlyingPiggy Dec 2022 #9
He'd never plead insanity; he's too much of a narcissist. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #13
He will plead illness, not insanity. From covid vaccination, of course. usonian Dec 2022 #14
I think he will fake his own death Mme. Defarge Dec 2022 #15
I do not have a sense of whether or not TFG will attempt to employ that defense MissMillie Dec 2022 #16
His fellow conspirators can not use the insanity plea. wWhen do the start seeing justice. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #17
Pull him out by his hair plugs. GPV Dec 2022 #18
Trump insanity means the Nation must admit 4 years of mad-man rule sanatanadharma Dec 2022 #19
He'd never do it treestar Dec 2022 #20

CTyankee

(63,937 posts)
1. They'll have to drag him out of Mar a Lago AND he will plead insanity.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:50 PM
Dec 2022

The dragging out will be part of the shtick. It's all an act anyway.

mopinko

(70,410 posts)
3. no, it's real. his brain is swiss cheese.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:53 PM
Dec 2022

all they’ll have to do is pull up his records from reed.
none of this shit was his idea. he wasnt smart enough to pull this off ever since the studio 54 days, if he ever was. he’s just a very charismatic post turtle.

CTyankee

(63,937 posts)
4. Well, ok, whatever. I just want that wart on the ass of humanity to be gone and never heard from
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:58 PM
Dec 2022

again.

mopinko

(70,410 posts)
2. i've been hoping for this for a while, so i voted my hopes.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 12:51 PM
Dec 2022

i think the kids will push him, or file to have him declared incompetent.
there is more than enough evidence at reed.

as much shame as every enabler need to take to their grave and beyond, those that refused to invoke 25a deserve a much bigger share. i’m lookin at you, dr ronnie feelgood. sorry you didnt get sec of v.a., but i’m sure you are enjoying your seat in congress much more.

CTyankee

(63,937 posts)
6. well, in a way, having him declared incompetent to stand trial might get him out of our sight.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:01 PM
Dec 2022

I do not care as long as he is gone and can never come back.

Irish_Dem

(48,458 posts)
7. Trump doesn't meet the criteria for not reason by reason of insanity. (NGRI)
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:08 PM
Dec 2022

They would have to prove he was so mentally ill he had no intent to commit a crime.
And could not distinguish right from wrong.

Trump had clear intent and knew what he was doing was wrong.
Plenty of evidence to prove that.

mopinko

(70,410 posts)
10. they have a ton of evidence, and he is clearly delusional.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:16 PM
Dec 2022

esp after covid, you cant tell me he had no cognitive decline. but he outright failed that dementia screening. man, woman, person, camera, tv are never the 5 words on that test. they are ALWAYS completely unrelated words. and ronnie jackson belongs in the bring, not the capitol.

and he cant distinguish right from wrong and never rly could.

Irish_Dem

(48,458 posts)
11. Being a narcissistic sociopath is not sufficient for NGRI.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:21 PM
Dec 2022

Cognitive "decline" is not sufficient for NGRI.

(I used to work as a forensic psychologist.)

Trump's attorneys can try this defense, and maybe the prosecutors will allow it.

But that would be entirely a political decision not a legitimate one based on clinical legal standards.

mopinko

(70,410 posts)
12. clear dementia isnt grounds? rly?
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:29 PM
Dec 2022

i know there are mris of his head. i know they arent normal. i know it’s a sticky wicket. in fact, a case could be made that neurology needs to catch up to justice. i heard an author on fresh air quite a few yrs ago making this case, and it’s very interesting.
he cited cases where ppl given prednisone went on manic sprees, spent all their money, and tried to get their debts cleared in bankruptcy, but failed. and their families couldnt stop them, either. there’s lots of cases like that. we rly need to update that area of law to catch up w science.

these days in the cook co juvie system a kid w violent tendencies can get a neuro work up. too many of these kids had tbis at the hands of their parents or peers. sometimes those kids get treatment instead of incarceration. but it should be sop.

he does have a personality disorder, but that doesnt preclude him from having conditions that have caused him go become detached from reality. which he clearly is.

bucolic_frolic

(43,609 posts)
8. He'll plead temporary insanity
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:08 PM
Dec 2022

Look for exaggerated eccentricities to make their appearance soon

Though how you distinguish from his everyday behavior is anybody's guess

FlyingPiggy

(3,391 posts)
9. TRG will not plead guilty, to insanity, & will need to be dragged out of mar-a-loco
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:11 PM
Dec 2022

This guy quadruples down to everything even as the fires consume him. He’ll go down in flames repeating his lies. And I do pray that he goes down in flames.

Ocelot II

(116,079 posts)
13. He'd never plead insanity; he's too much of a narcissist.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:30 PM
Dec 2022

Everybody else is crazy, not him. Anders Breivik, the right-wing loon who shot up the summer camp in Norway, could have pled insanity - and he's probably at least as mad as TFG; he was initially diagnosed as schizophrenic but the diagnosis was re-evaluated as narcissistic personality disorder - but he wouldn't let his lawyer make that plea; he insisted he was completely sane and nothing was wrong with him. 'Breivik expressed hope at being declared sane in a letter sent to several Norwegian newspapers shortly before his trial, in which he wrote about the prospect of being sent to a psychiatric ward: "I must admit this is the worst thing that could have happened to me as it is the ultimate humiliation. To send a political activist to a mental hospital is more sadistic and evil than to kill him! It is a fate worse than death."' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Psychiatric_evaluation

TFG is a bit less delusional but hardly less narcissistic (and he continues to decompensate), but I very much doubt that he'd go for an insanity defense (which rarely succeeds anyhow). Being declared insane would be just too humiliating for him to bear, as it was for Breivik.

usonian

(10,051 posts)
14. He will plead illness, not insanity. From covid vaccination, of course.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:33 PM
Dec 2022

or being poisoned by "Deep State"

Mme. Defarge

(8,069 posts)
15. I think he will fake his own death
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:34 PM
Dec 2022

and, when he can no longer tolerate the anonymity, “miraculously” rise from the dead. Then go on trial. Maybe that’s where an insanity plea comes in. When he’s forced to stop eating preservatives, perhaps he’ll finally leave the realm of the undead.

MissMillie

(38,624 posts)
16. I do not have a sense of whether or not TFG will attempt to employ that defense
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:35 PM
Dec 2022

However... if the DOJ is going to agree to a plea deal where TFG claims that he's crazy, then said plea deal MUST include mandatory in-patient treatment.

If he's crazy enough to attempt to overthrow the government and subvert the Constitution, he clearly a danger to society and needs to spend time removed from society.

republianmushroom

(13,956 posts)
17. His fellow conspirators can not use the insanity plea. wWhen do the start seeing justice.
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 01:38 PM
Dec 2022

We have caught a lot of the little fish, when do we start with the bigger fish, his the inner circle ?

23 months and counting

sanatanadharma

(3,764 posts)
19. Trump insanity means the Nation must admit 4 years of mad-man rule
Mon Dec 26, 2022, 02:57 PM
Dec 2022

Insanity means the country had a mad man at the helm. The Constitution does not protect us as it is.
Supporters would need admit that their leader was insane and they unable to see it.
Insanity now does not guarantee insanity then.
If Trump was sane then, justice for then is still required. The actions of the man must be adjudicated,.
Just as we are willing to try and convict juveniles as adults, I say try Trump as a sane man regardless of his current status.
An insane person needs to be locked up, not necessarily jailed, guilty or not, for their own and our safety.

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