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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want to make a general posting
For those ,you know who you are...
I am so thankful to antifa
and the black block and any others out there involved for protecting the patrons and performers in the drag shows wherever they are being held at. And defending women,gblt,transpeople,people of color and left wing allies out there.
Its disgusting that the conservatives with thier rabid hysteria, twisted beliefs , toxic hate and deliberate stupidity along with the deep pocketed scum bored entitled sociopath trust fund babies funding this shit and the conservative lying ass shitty propaganda "media " has made it necessary to protect innocent lives from conservative violence.
The problem is conservative violence and it comes in many forms from bad legislation,taking rights away with a stacked supreme court or gangs of thugs like the proud boys and treason. Conservatism is fascism. It has always been.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)I join with the OP in thanking persons who are defending the patrons and performers in the drag shows wherever they are being held at, women, gblt, transpeople, people of color and left wing allies out there.
Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)that there is a strong progressive contingent here that gets drowned out by a few noisy center-right members. And time for progressives to get noisy.
rubbersole
(6,702 posts)murielm99
(30,745 posts)betsuni
(25,539 posts)because all Democrats think about is Wall Street/billionaire/corporation money, are all corrupt, will stop at nothing to prevent progress and are shocked, shocked! by classic liberal Democratic policies like universal health care.
We members on a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party are all old wealthy elite conservatives who despise the valiant True Progressives trying to transform the fictional bad Democratic Party and introduce usual Democratic policies as if they are new. We are so mean!
rubbersole
(6,702 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)80M of us voted for Biden, after all. Which really makes me wonder, not just who on earth the people you describe think we are, but who on earth they think they are?
(Numerically only, Pew's political typology study put those it used their chosen label to call "progressive left" at 12% of those who identified Democratic in 2020-2021. But in electoral terms that has to be misleadingly high. We know that some will often be unable to vote Democratic and use social media to encourage each other to take a stand against our corruption.)
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Which is why I remain silent much of the time. Its better than getting kicked out.
Malmsy
(297 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)you are post #2 and the 1st Comment is from a long standing member who supports President Biden and VP Harris.
There are No "center right DUers" here.. your accusation is totally wrong.
No one is "drowning out" anyone.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)I have worked hard for the Democratic Partys nominee in all of the election cycles going back to Jimmy Carter I have been active in voter protection efforts for Kerry/Edwards, Obama/Biden, Clinton Victory Counsel Program and Lawyers for Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)In 3...2...1...
Elessar Zappa
(14,004 posts)dominate this website. Center-right posters are few and far between but if theyre Democrats then I have zero problem with their presence.
mcar
(42,334 posts)vis a vis this OP.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Carry on
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)blindly, without knowing who they are
My, that is so progressive are you
Instead of debating or discussing topics, it is so much easier to stereotype people as center right
What a bunch of garbage
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and show up on Jan 6 to fight the MAGA's, giving Trump an excuse to assume dictatorial powers.
I remember pleading with a couple of folks here to stay well away from DC, because the word being reported at DU from all over the internet gave every indication of a violent, brutal, confrontation.
Permanut
(5,613 posts)I've done the same thing.
Not looking for clickbait, but I will look first at OPs with more descriptive titles.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Call me fucking antifa then. I will be out there defending my community with my own firepower as well. I don't fear these lil shitstains or their khaki pants.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 7, 2023, 04:21 AM - Edit history (1)
DNAHortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 2, 2023, 11:31 AM - Edit history (2)
"Antifa" is RW PROPAGANDA used to fool people into believing the violence in the news is from US.
AND by extension that peaceful LW groups like #BLM and Democrats are violent and out to destroy all the good, decent conservatives. Language is both the most powerful weapon and defense we have. We have to understand it and use it correctly for it to work, though.
So something else: Conservatism is NOT fascism, or vice versa. Fascism is an arch-conservative political system, about as extreme as conservatism can get. We have to have a word for it, of course, and do. Fascism is also intensively studied.
The people we rightly fear deliberately scramble and even reverse definitions ("antifa(scist) = LW fascist" to weaponize them against us and de-power those that accurately describe them. For a long time they were insisting only 1930s European fascism was fascism and that it literally couldn't exist today; that attempt to fool people into believing fascism wasn't on the rise again in many nations failed -- because the mission to redefine the word failed.
Everyone should learn something about conservative temperament and the politics that it tends to lead to. They're half of all people after all; we should understand them. All types of conservatives have been intensively studied and make fascinating reading.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Its not invented by right wing propaganda. The right now is infested with fascism so of course they want to make up shit about anti fascists. Antifa is anyone who is anti fascist.
https://damienmarieathope.com/2019/08/history-of-the-antifa-anti-fascist-movements/?v=32aec8db952d
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)ANTIFA is very organized & thank God they are.
They have been around for a very long time and there's chapters all across this country.
Here's the ANTIFA chapter in Colorado Springs, one of the higher profile chapters who was recently banned from Twitter by Elon Musk.
https://kolektiva.social/@COSAntiFascists/109536126611842921
haele
(12,660 posts)And an overall umbrella organization with national funding drives, codified rules and code of conduct, and specific organized events.
Antifa San Diego is not the same organization as Antifa Portland or Antifa Colorado Springs.
They have different focus on event types, and different internal structures.
Again, there is no one "Antifa" organization to provide structure, funding or legal representation to local groups. There is no umbrella Antifa spokesperson.
Supposedly, there is now a national BLM organization, but I haven't seen where it actually acts as an organization or if it's more a resource for BLM style activism.
Haele
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Look into what anarchists do with that idea. And yes there are anarchists and they aren't all idiots or assholes flipping cop cars or tossing molitov cocktails around
You may find you agree with them if you can understand what anarchy is..
haele
(12,660 posts)And yes, I know what the Anarchist movement is about. How much I agree or disagree with some of their points and how they believe they can be implemented is another discussion altogether
But one thing I do know, there are times to consider radicalism and there are times to consider governance. But ultimately, they need to go hand in hand to accomplish social change - for better and for worse.
It's human nature that dictates how real social change is made and to what level it is made, after all.
Haele
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)going hand in hand is important.
If the right wing goes over the edge I hope there are enough radicals amongst us to defend and protect us and each other from fascists..
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Too many people it seems on the left side of things believe right wing propaganda too much. I for one is very thankful for antifa and consider myself anti fascist.