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I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 02:01 AM Jan 2023

I want to make a general posting

For those ,you know who you are...

I am so thankful to antifa
and the black block and any others out there involved for protecting the patrons and performers in the drag shows wherever they are being held at. And defending women,gblt,transpeople,people of color and left wing allies out there.

Its disgusting that the conservatives with thier rabid hysteria, twisted beliefs , toxic hate and deliberate stupidity along with the deep pocketed scum bored entitled sociopath trust fund babies funding this shit and the conservative lying ass shitty propaganda "media " has made it necessary to protect innocent lives from conservative violence.

The problem is conservative violence and it comes in many forms from bad legislation,taking rights away with a stacked supreme court or gangs of thugs like the proud boys and treason. Conservatism is fascism. It has always been.

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I want to make a general posting (Original Post) I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 OP
K&R LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #1
This post is 15 minutes old, and has 6 recs and zero comments. Perhaps it's time to recognize Gaugamela Jan 2023 #2
I haven't noticed that. rubbersole Jan 2023 #3
Maybe there is nothing to notice. murielm99 Jan 2023 #4
It's the fantasy that 40 years ago Democrats abandoned and despise unions/working class betsuni Jan 2023 #10
I just got a hernia...🤪 rubbersole Jan 2023 #14
:) We're not just so MEAN, we are so MANY. Hortensis Jan 2023 #20
Betsuni, you owe me a new screen...LOL... Hekate Jan 2023 #29
... betsuni Jan 2023 #5
Yep RocRizzo55 Jan 2023 #9
You don't seem to have any problems with speaking your mind. Malmsy Jan 2023 #12
It didn't have 'zero comments" bc Cha Jan 2023 #15
I was also a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia National Convention LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #28
Center-Right? Me. Jan 2023 #16
The "corporate Democrat" slur shouldn't be far behind now Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #34
Progressive democrats Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #17
I have no idea what you are talking about mcar Jan 2023 #21
That's just silly. It's almost like you don't know us. Hekate Jan 2023 #32
Because you don't agree with certain posts, you name call and make value judgements JohnSJ Jan 2023 #33
And I am also thankful that they were too smart to take Trump's bait pnwmom Jan 2023 #6
Oh GOD yes! Hekate Jan 2023 #31
Title isn't consistent with the point of the OP.. Permanut Jan 2023 #7
Exactly! vercetti2021 Jan 2023 #8
K&R ck4829 Jan 2023 #11
Well, there is no "antifa" to speak of. Only RW violent domestic extremist groups. Hortensis Jan 2023 #13
Actually Antifa has a long history I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #23
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #18
That person has no clue wtf they're talking about AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #19
There's a difference between localized organizations calling themselves someting haele Jan 2023 #22
Ever hear of non localized leaderless movements? I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #25
Yes I have. On both sides of the political spectrum. haele Jan 2023 #26
I agree that governance and more left things I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #27
Thank you I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #24
Underground Panther, this Underground Democrat stands with you Hekate Jan 2023 #30
Thanks I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #35

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
1. K&R
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 02:20 AM
Jan 2023

I join with the OP in thanking persons who are defending the patrons and performers in the drag shows wherever they are being held at, women, gblt, transpeople, people of color and left wing allies out there.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
2. This post is 15 minutes old, and has 6 recs and zero comments. Perhaps it's time to recognize
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 02:23 AM
Jan 2023

that there is a strong progressive contingent here that gets drowned out by a few noisy center-right members. And time for progressives to get noisy.

betsuni

(25,539 posts)
10. It's the fantasy that 40 years ago Democrats abandoned and despise unions/working class
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 08:24 AM
Jan 2023

because all Democrats think about is Wall Street/billionaire/corporation money, are all corrupt, will stop at nothing to prevent progress and are shocked, shocked! by classic liberal Democratic policies like universal health care.

We members on a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party are all old wealthy elite conservatives who despise the valiant True Progressives trying to transform the fictional bad Democratic Party and introduce usual Democratic policies as if they are new. We are so mean!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. :) We're not just so MEAN, we are so MANY.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jan 2023

80M of us voted for Biden, after all. Which really makes me wonder, not just who on earth the people you describe think we are, but who on earth they think they are?

(Numerically only, Pew's political typology study put those it used their chosen label to call "progressive left" at 12% of those who identified Democratic in 2020-2021. But in electoral terms that has to be misleadingly high. We know that some will often be unable to vote Democratic and use social media to encourage each other to take a stand against our corruption.)

Cha

(297,323 posts)
15. It didn't have 'zero comments" bc
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 02:41 PM
Jan 2023

you are post #2 and the 1st Comment is from a long standing member who supports President Biden and VP Harris.

There are No "center right DUers" here.. your accusation is totally wrong.

No one is "drowning out" anyone.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
28. I was also a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia National Convention
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 03:06 AM
Jan 2023

I have worked hard for the Democratic Party’s nominee in all of the election cycles going back to Jimmy Carter I have been active in voter protection efforts for Kerry/Edwards, Obama/Biden, Clinton Victory Counsel Program and Lawyers for Biden

Elessar Zappa

(14,004 posts)
17. Progressive democrats
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 02:55 PM
Jan 2023

dominate this website. Center-right posters are few and far between but if they’re Democrats then I have zero problem with their presence.

JohnSJ

(92,219 posts)
33. Because you don't agree with certain posts, you name call and make value judgements
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 04:00 AM
Jan 2023

blindly, without knowing who they are

My, that is so “progressive are you”

Instead of debating or discussing topics, it is so much easier to stereotype people as “center right”

What a bunch of garbage



pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. And I am also thankful that they were too smart to take Trump's bait
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 03:15 AM
Jan 2023

and show up on Jan 6 to fight the MAGA's, giving Trump an excuse to assume dictatorial powers.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
31. Oh GOD yes!
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 03:32 AM
Jan 2023

I remember pleading with a couple of folks here to stay well away from DC, because the word being reported at DU from all over the internet gave every indication of a violent, brutal, confrontation.



Permanut

(5,613 posts)
7. Title isn't consistent with the point of the OP..
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 03:15 AM
Jan 2023

I've done the same thing.

Not looking for clickbait, but I will look first at OPs with more descriptive titles.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
8. Exactly!
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 03:21 AM
Jan 2023

Call me fucking antifa then. I will be out there defending my community with my own firepower as well. I don't fear these lil shitstains or their khaki pants.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Well, there is no "antifa" to speak of. Only RW violent domestic extremist groups.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 10:43 AM
Jan 2023

Last edited Mon Jan 2, 2023, 11:31 AM - Edit history (2)

"Antifa" is RW PROPAGANDA used to fool people into believing the violence in the news is from US.

AND by extension that peaceful LW groups like #BLM and Democrats are violent and out to destroy all the good, decent conservatives. Language is both the most powerful weapon and defense we have. We have to understand it and use it correctly for it to work, though.

So something else: Conservatism is NOT fascism, or vice versa. Fascism is an arch-conservative political system, about as extreme as conservatism can get. We have to have a word for it, of course, and do. Fascism is also intensively studied.

The people we rightly fear deliberately scramble and even reverse definitions ("antifa(scist) = LW fascist&quot to weaponize them against us and de-power those that accurately describe them. For a long time they were insisting only 1930s European fascism was fascism and that it literally couldn't exist today; that attempt to fool people into believing fascism wasn't on the rise again in many nations failed -- because the mission to redefine the word failed.

Everyone should learn something about conservative temperament and the politics that it tends to lead to. They're half of all people after all; we should understand them. All types of conservatives have been intensively studied and make fascinating reading.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
23. Actually Antifa has a long history
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 08:19 PM
Jan 2023

Its not invented by right wing propaganda. The right now is infested with fascism so of course they want to make up shit about anti fascists. Antifa is anyone who is anti fascist.


https://damienmarieathope.com/2019/08/history-of-the-antifa-anti-fascist-movements/?v=32aec8db952d

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
19. That person has no clue wtf they're talking about
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 03:29 PM
Jan 2023

ANTIFA is very organized & thank God they are.

They have been around for a very long time and there's chapters all across this country.

Here's the ANTIFA chapter in Colorado Springs, one of the higher profile chapters who was recently banned from Twitter by Elon Musk.

https://kolektiva.social/@COSAntiFascists/109536126611842921

haele

(12,660 posts)
22. There's a difference between localized organizations calling themselves someting
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jan 2023

And an overall umbrella organization with national funding drives, codified rules and code of conduct, and specific organized events.
Antifa San Diego is not the same organization as Antifa Portland or Antifa Colorado Springs.
They have different focus on event types, and different internal structures.

Again, there is no one "Antifa" organization to provide structure, funding or legal representation to local groups. There is no umbrella Antifa spokesperson.

Supposedly, there is now a national BLM organization, but I haven't seen where it actually acts as an organization or if it's more a resource for BLM style activism.

Haele

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
25. Ever hear of non localized leaderless movements?
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 08:25 PM
Jan 2023

Look into what anarchists do with that idea. And yes there are anarchists and they aren't all idiots or assholes flipping cop cars or tossing molitov cocktails around
You may find you agree with them if you can understand what anarchy is..

haele

(12,660 posts)
26. Yes I have. On both sides of the political spectrum.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 08:45 PM
Jan 2023

And yes, I know what the Anarchist movement is about. How much I agree or disagree with some of their points and how they believe they can be implemented is another discussion altogether
But one thing I do know, there are times to consider radicalism and there are times to consider governance. But ultimately, they need to go hand in hand to accomplish social change - for better and for worse.

It's human nature that dictates how real social change is made and to what level it is made, after all.

Haele

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
27. I agree that governance and more left things
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 09:02 PM
Jan 2023

going hand in hand is important.

If the right wing goes over the edge I hope there are enough radicals amongst us to defend and protect us and each other from fascists..

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
24. Thank you
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 08:21 PM
Jan 2023

Too many people it seems on the left side of things believe right wing propaganda too much. I for one is very thankful for antifa and consider myself anti fascist.

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