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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 09:31 AM Jan 2023

"Where is Barack HUSSEIN Obama (If that's his real name)'s REAL actual verified birth certificate?"

"We just don't know the extent of Hillary's emails."
"They're lying to us about what's in the vaccines!"
"Deep state! It's everywhere, man, EVERYWHERE!"
"How do you know the FBI and ANTIFA weren't behind Jan 6, huh? Huh?"
"Only sheeple believe the mainstream media and the puh-fizer!"
...
"George Santos? I'm totally voting for him!"

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"Where is Barack HUSSEIN Obama (If that's his real name)'s REAL actual verified birth certificate?" (Original Post) ck4829 Jan 2023 OP
What?! PJMcK Jan 2023 #1
Don't Democrats also fall for propaganda? gab13by13 Jan 2023 #2
Dont forget Jade Helm Flatrat Jan 2023 #3
and fema camps ?? AllaN01Bear Jan 2023 #9
FEMA coffins. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2023 #11
Welcome to DU. You'll like it here. panader0 Jan 2023 #13
Enjoy your stay. BradAllison Jan 2023 #15
Welcome to DU Flatrat! SKKY Jan 2023 #16
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2023 #31
They voted for H Walker ..... Lovie777 Jan 2023 #4
You forgot crudite man. niyad Jan 2023 #6
"Crudite Man" lost though - and badly FakeNoose Jan 2023 #25
But was Oz welcomed back Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #28
He never moved out... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2023 #30
See my badge. I'm the best qualified candidate the republicans have. keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #21
We laugh, but it's important to recognize this. yardwork Jan 2023 #5
But they're largely craving racism, misogyny, homophobia Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #14
Maybe we need to adapt our approach to messaging. yardwork Jan 2023 #22
There's a line I won't cross. cab67 Jan 2023 #17
See my response above. yardwork Jan 2023 #23
fair enough, but... cab67 Jan 2023 #24
I don't think that was our slogan. yardwork Jan 2023 #26
Is biferism still a thing? Pete Ross Junior Jan 2023 #7
LOL! treestar Jan 2023 #8
Kenyatown sounds like an amazing place to give birth IronLionZion Jan 2023 #19
Excuse me but that ain't real. KentuckyWoman Jan 2023 #27
Oh gee whiz. Busted. Pete Ross Junior Jan 2023 #29
hem. dredging that nonsense up again. AllaN01Bear Jan 2023 #10
Some days that tirade will get you elected. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #12
"Mexico will pay for the wall" IronLionZion Jan 2023 #18
To be republican is to be a hypocrite liberal N proud Jan 2023 #20

gab13by13

(21,362 posts)
2. Don't Democrats also fall for propaganda?
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 09:48 AM
Jan 2023

A fence is a wall.
Why do we call America, the USA, the Homeland?

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
25. "Crudite Man" lost though - and badly
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 01:03 PM
Jan 2023

Probably Dr. Oz has already packed up and moved back to New Jersey.

I'm looking forward to great things from "Big John" Fetterman. I think we all are!

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
21. See my badge. I'm the best qualified candidate the republicans have.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 12:32 PM
Jan 2023

See my badge. I'm the best qualified candidate the republicans have.

Better than all the white men.

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
5. We laugh, but it's important to recognize this.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 10:04 AM
Jan 2023

Democrats will begin running better campaigns when we accept what really motivates voters.

As we see, consistency and logic don't matter to a lot of voters, especially the ones the Democrats have lost since the 1980s. These voters are craving something else. Can we adapt our messaging to reach them?

Elessar Zappa

(14,004 posts)
14. But they're largely craving racism, misogyny, homophobia
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 11:33 AM
Jan 2023

and Christian nationalism. We are diametrically opposed to all those things. Seriously, what can we offer them? We already stand for protecting social security, Medicare, labor unions, etc, things that should get them on our side.

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
22. Maybe we need to adapt our approach to messaging.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 12:40 PM
Jan 2023

Certainly I'm not suggesting that Democrats betray our values. But maybe there's a more effective way to communicate our goals and platform?

What I'm saying is that millions of American voters respond to emotional appeals rather than logic.

cab67

(2,993 posts)
17. There's a line I won't cross.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 11:57 AM
Jan 2023

It's called "physical reality."

Those voters who ignore or deny it - who claim the COVID vaccine is fake, that anthropogenic global warming is a Marxist plot, that homophobia and transphobia are virtues, and so on - aren't entitled to concessions.

cab67

(2,993 posts)
24. fair enough, but...
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 12:53 PM
Jan 2023

...that leads to the danger of oversimplification that can be spun by the other side.

"Defund the police" is a good example. The intent behind it was legit, but it ended up backfiring badly on us. (Some of us, myself included, predicted this would be the case.) Take a complex and multifaceted issue, boil it down to an emotional core, and it's just as likely to be counterproductive.

Not saying we shouldn't be linking into emotions - only that this has to be done very carefully, and it's much more easily done when oversimplifications play to base emotions like fight-or-flight responses.

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
26. I don't think that was our slogan.
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 06:06 PM
Jan 2023

I don't know a single Democrat who thought that was a good idea or a good slogan. That slogan came from Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and was grabbed by the GOP and foisted on us.

That's actually a very good example of what needs to improve. We Democrats need to choose effective messages that are true to our platform and values, and do a better job controlling the message.

Fetterman did an excellent job of this. He used his opponent's weaknesses against him, while neutralizing what could have been fatal issues. We now have a tattooed, hoodie-wearing senator who is recovering from a serious stroke as a senator from Pennsylvania. A lot of people would have said that was impossible. We need to learn from this example.

IronLionZion

(45,460 posts)
18. "Mexico will pay for the wall"
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

don't worry about the details. You're just not smart enough to understand how.
"Drain the swamp!"
"Own the libs!"
"Illegals are voting for Dems"
"Voter fraud is everywhere! Mail in ballots are proof of fraud"

And then all the Qanon nonsense about satan worshiping child trafficking or whatever.

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