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Coventina

(27,160 posts)
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:13 PM Jan 2023

A Minnesota University Is Under Fire for Dismissing an Art History Professor Who Showed Medieval

In a controversial move, an adjunct professor at Hamline University in St. Paul, Minnesota, has lost her job after showing her class Medieval paintings depicting the Prophet Muhammad, founder of the Islamic religion.

The school’s decision not to renew the professor’s contract for the current semester has sparked debates over free speech, including a Change.org petition in support of the teacher, signed by at least 2,500 scholars and students of Islamic studies and art history, and a condemnation from PEN America of the “egregious violation” of academic freedom.

Though it is not mentioned in the Koran, many Muslims believe it is idolatrous to show Muhammad’s face. Most mosques instead are decorated with geometric designs and calligraphy featuring passages from the Koran, and Islamic figurative art is now rare.

But there is also a tradition of painting Muhammad, often in miniature, especially in Persia, Turkey, and India. Examples can be found in the collections of museums such as the Louvre, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco. It was a selection of two of those artworks shown to the class that cost the professor her job.

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/professor-terminated-art-history-paintings-muhammad-2238922

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I actually attended a madrassa where one of the Muslim lecturers showed an image of Muhammad. When I asked him about it, he shrugged and said that most Muslims don't really care, as long as the image is not disrespectful.

As an Art Historian, this story is really upsetting to me.

What happened to academic freedom?!?!?!

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A Minnesota University Is Under Fire for Dismissing an Art History Professor Who Showed Medieval (Original Post) Coventina Jan 2023 OP
Academic freedom! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #1
Probably makes them feel less impotent, but force-feeding others only gives their housecat Jan 2023 #17
I agree! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #25
Haha. I never heard you say anything quite like this. 🙃 LakeArenal Jan 2023 #32
I've always felt this way. SheltieLover Jan 2023 #34
I'd kneel before a pig 🐖... rubbersole Jan 2023 #33
Well, that's a given! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #35
Kick dalton99a Jan 2023 #2
Well said.. thank you bsiebs Jan 2023 #16
Does Bari Weiss go there? tenderfoot Jan 2023 #3
This is more than academic freedo, although I think that's pretty darn important. Biophilic Jan 2023 #4
The NY Times article has some details: dalton99a Jan 2023 #5
Thank you, I hadn't seen anything that detailed. It still seems way over blown especially since Biophilic Jan 2023 #7
This is so damn crazy and wrong, but when a woman can be murdered for wearing her head cloth wrong, Timeflyer Jan 2023 #6
That's just wrong treestar Jan 2023 #8
the professor did exactly that dsc Jan 2023 #9
the student should be expelled since she doesn't speak nor understand English dsc Jan 2023 #10
This is just ridiculous MN2theMax Jan 2023 #11
A society that respects taboos is not a free society. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #12
Religious persecution takes many forms dlk Jan 2023 #13
Hamline is affiliated with the United Methodist church dflprincess Jan 2023 #18
Overboard is an understatement dlk Jan 2023 #21
Overboard is an understatement dlk Jan 2023 #22
Wow. James48 Jan 2023 #14
Perhaps it goes unnoticed by many that MN. has PlutosHeart Jan 2023 #15
That may be the case - but this was a self own by the college. harumph Jan 2023 #19
But... Dr. Strange Jan 2023 #23
... live love laugh Jan 2023 #20
If she had shown the picture while storming the Capitol RexLipton Jan 2023 #24
Ignorance is as ignorance does Warpy Jan 2023 #26
as I understand it... RussBLib Jan 2023 #27
That's my understanding as well. But Hamline mzmolly Jan 2023 #37
New Testament Christians are entitled to their hateful ignorance though? czarjak Jan 2023 #28
Umm, everyone is entitled to their beliefs. maxsolomon Jan 2023 #39
I support Academic Freedom, but often counsel faculty to avoid provocation. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #29
Wow. That's beyond idiotic. progressoid Jan 2023 #30
Religion should sod off in general, and wow, what a gutless uni. Celerity Jan 2023 #31
Get these administrators to desantis' woke police... rubbersole Jan 2023 #36
and note the terminated faculty is an adjunct DBoon Jan 2023 #38
If you read the NYT article, she was OK with being let go over this. maxsolomon Jan 2023 #40

housecat

(3,121 posts)
17. Probably makes them feel less impotent, but force-feeding others only gives their
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jan 2023

"religion"a bad name. People with religion, as in a spiritual relationship with God and the universe, would never try to push others to follow something they don't even understand. "Those who don't know God will kneel before a pig."

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
34. I've always felt this way.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:47 AM
Jan 2023

Was always in trouble as a kid for questioning "the church." I used to ask them "how dare you not question 'the church?'"

rubbersole

(6,721 posts)
33. I'd kneel before a pig 🐖...
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:44 AM
Jan 2023

...if it had been in a smoker for 8+ hours covered in Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce - Vandalia Onion flavor preferably.

dalton99a

(81,566 posts)
2. Kick
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:18 PM
Jan 2023
Most of All, I am Offended as a Muslim
On Hamline University's shocking imposition of narrow religious orthodoxy in the classroom.



...

As an historian, I am shocked that Hamline’s administration cannot appreciate that the image is a primary source and that a class on art history, by definition, necessitates engaging with primary sources; this is the heart of the historian’s craft. Barring a professor of art history from showing this painting, lest it harm observant Muslims in class, is just as absurd as asking a biology professor not to teach evolution because it may offend evangelical Protestants in the course.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/most-of-all-i-am-offended-as-a-muslim
https://banished.substack.com/p/most-of-all-i-am-offended-as-a-muslim

Biophilic

(3,689 posts)
4. This is more than academic freedo, although I think that's pretty darn important.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:22 PM
Jan 2023

Per an earlier article, this professor gave several warnings ahead of time, was willing to discuss with students who might not be ok with showing the picture, it was written ahead of time in her syllabus. Then someone complained, I haven't heard who or how many and suddenly she loses her job. There seems to be more going on here than innocent religious feelings, but I haven't been able to find anything except the basics of the story. Who complained and why would a single complaint (if that was what it was) cause a professor to lose her job? This isn't the whole story, but I don't know what is and I find it really, really disturbing since I believe our universities are the last bastion of intellectual freedom and free thinking.

Biophilic

(3,689 posts)
7. Thank you, I hadn't seen anything that detailed. It still seems way over blown especially since
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:58 PM
Jan 2023

the professor gave multiple warnings and offered students the chance to leave and not have to see the image. It seems as though we have been told by Hamilton College that it is better to deprive all the students of learning. I still feel very badly about this. I so strongly believe in the importance of academic freedom and the individual's choice of what they wish to experience and learn. But I appreciate being able to read the article.

Timeflyer

(1,998 posts)
6. This is so damn crazy and wrong, but when a woman can be murdered for wearing her head cloth wrong,
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 08:26 PM
Jan 2023

sure, why not.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. That's just wrong
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:01 PM
Jan 2023

It is art and it exists. People need to not take the class if it's going to get them that upset. The rest of us have every right to see or do art that depicts Mohamed.

I recall the Australian indigenous people don't like photos of dead people. There were warnings in a museum film that such photos were ahead. Maybe they could do that in the course description.

Otherwise, giving in to that is just stupid.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
9. the professor did exactly that
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:31 PM
Jan 2023

and she also, before she showed the image said she would and said people could leave, the student chose to stay and then complain.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
10. the student should be expelled since she doesn't speak nor understand English
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:45 PM
Jan 2023

the syllabus stated the art would be shown, she was told, repeatedly on the day of the lecture that the art would be shown and that she could and should leave if it would bother her, she was offered the ability to discuss it. Instead she refused to read or listen.

MN2theMax

(1,425 posts)
11. This is just ridiculous
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:48 PM
Jan 2023

Maybe okay for TX or FL, but I thought MN was better than this. Sounds to me like this professor was super careful not to offend, and still the professor is targeted. I thought Hamline was better than this. Arrrgh!

jaxexpat

(6,843 posts)
12. A society that respects taboos is not a free society.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:51 PM
Jan 2023

However, when bureaucrats with authority over think things, freedom is under threat.

dlk

(11,574 posts)
13. Religious persecution takes many forms
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:51 PM
Jan 2023

The adjunct should be reinstated, unless, of course, she’s teaching at a religious institution.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
18. Hamline is affiliated with the United Methodist church
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:07 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

As long as I've lived in the area, I had to Google Hamline to check which denomination it's affiliated with.

Their statement on religion makes it sound that it is open to students of all beliefs & to those who don't believe. I'm guessing they're going overboard in this case to avoid being accused of not respecting Islam. Not that that excuses the school.


https://www.hamline.edu/life-at-hamline/personal-wellness/wesley-center/religion-spirituality

dlk

(11,574 posts)
21. Overboard is an understatement
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:30 PM
Jan 2023

Respecting others religious Beliefs is one thing. Expecting others to practice them is another.

dlk

(11,574 posts)
22. Overboard is an understatement
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:31 PM
Jan 2023

Respecting others religious Beliefs is one thing. Expecting others to practice them is another.

PlutosHeart

(1,284 posts)
15. Perhaps it goes unnoticed by many that MN. has
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 09:53 PM
Jan 2023

been the scapegoat and center of some very significant well-covered hot topic race related media pieces.
There is a reason for this. And that is the desire to turn the state deep red. It is being done through murders by cop, school incidences and an army of other things.
There are a handful of very good liberal Universities recently targeted via "funds" (Koch type) in order to further diminish the liberal arts in these schools. I believe Hamlin was one of them mentioned.
They will run with this and soak every ounce for it to further divide and conquer. Doesn't matter if a student complained. It really is not about that. It is about shredding the fabric of this State and poking at the Islamic community one way or another. It is about dumbing down of our finest educational institutions.

Dr. Strange

(25,922 posts)
23. But...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jan 2023
It is about shredding the fabric of this State and poking at the Islamic community one way or another. It is about dumbing down of our finest educational institutions.

who do you think is doing that here? It's not the Koch types. This dumbing down is coming from a Muslim student, with the support of the school's administration. Will the right run with this as an example of wokeness gone mad? Absolutely! Which is all the more reason not to pull these kind of stupid stunts.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
26. Ignorance is as ignorance does
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:02 PM
Jan 2023

and the men who fired her are almost beyond ignorant.

I think she will most likely be reinstated. If not, there's a helluva lawsuit in this one, so many cans of worms were opened.

RussBLib

(9,030 posts)
27. as I understand it...
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:20 PM
Jan 2023

...the Koran does not prohibit depictions of Mohammed. That is a more-recent invention by the fanatical, insane followers of Islam.

I may not have a full understanding.

mzmolly

(51,003 posts)
37. That's my understanding as well. But Hamline
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:48 PM
Jan 2023

is not a religious school and should not have to adhere to religious doctrines.

maxsolomon

(33,363 posts)
39. Umm, everyone is entitled to their beliefs.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 07:00 PM
Jan 2023

The issue is whether they're entitled to not have those beliefs insulted. I'd posit that America does not afford you that right.

What is a "New Testament Christian"?

SYFROYH

(34,183 posts)
29. I support Academic Freedom, but often counsel faculty to avoid provocation.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 11:38 PM
Jan 2023

Unfortunately, we on the left have help create the cancel culture due to being offended by speech.

It sucks.

DBoon

(22,395 posts)
38. and note the terminated faculty is an adjunct
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 06:23 PM
Jan 2023

an underpaid position with no job protection

She is a classic scapegoat - when a controversy occurs, punish the most powerless person involved

maxsolomon

(33,363 posts)
40. If you read the NYT article, she was OK with being let go over this.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jan 2023

It's when a Hamline Admin called her actions "Islamophobic" that she took issue.

The school held a forum and a different Hamline prof (of religion) argued back against the Muslim Student's Assoc leader, the Admin told him it wasn't the time. Basically, they're afraid.

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