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Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:39 PM Jan 2023

The Tabloids have almost destroyed the U.S. the EU ,and not only Harry and Meghan

How anyone can keep falling for that crap in the UK is no different than the nimrods we have here in the US falling for FOX or its imitators..

A little history here folks.. Rupert Murdoch (born in Australia) inherited a bunch of papers.. bought up the Sun and Times in London.. bought up all kinds of traditional news outlets and magazines, newspapers in the US after he just played in the mud in England. Chicago Tribune, , Wall Street Journal its endless.. Murdoch basically invented the current Tabloid as we know it. In the US just reflect how how much damage Fox and its affiliates have done to us.

So congratulations to Harry and Meghan for standing up... fighting in the courts and getting their side out there..

The thing that Murdoch was so successful at was hiding behind traditional news outlets to spread the kind of Tabloid lies that smear everything now





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The Tabloids have almost destroyed the U.S. the EU ,and not only Harry and Meghan (Original Post) Peacetrain Jan 2023 OP
That 7 part documentary about the Murdoch's on CNN was so eye opening to me kimbutgar Jan 2023 #1
It is mind boggling to me how much power the Tabloids have Peacetrain Jan 2023 #2
Just one correction. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2023 #3
Maybe he was in talks to buy it.. I thought he had.. Peacetrain Jan 2023 #4
Didn't he also buy DENVERPOPS Jan 2023 #24
Nope, that was a Clinton era law. former9thward Jan 2023 #34
Sorry, DENVERPOPS Jan 2023 #40
The Trib's had some bad owners but Murdoch actually bought the Chicago Sun-Times. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2023 #5
Okay.. got that one turned around.. thanks!! Peacetrain Jan 2023 #7
History will show Murdoch was the linchpin in destroying democracy. rubbersole Jan 2023 #6
You know it amazes me how this one person (Murdoch) has been the center of so much Peacetrain Jan 2023 #8
Yep Iwasthere Jan 2023 #9
He certainly did a lot to undermine the whole "well-informed electorate" thing of Jefferson's. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2023 #10
Yes, this. geardaddy Jan 2023 #15
And no one in the royal family has the backbone to defend Harry and Meghan rainin Jan 2023 #11
The monarchy's interest is in preserving and defending the monarchy, nothing else. milestogo Jan 2023 #18
Agree. Duppers Jan 2023 #23
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Jan 2023 #12
I wonder why we are immune to it? Kaleva Jan 2023 #13
Because you and them know (and knew from the start) stupid tabloids are BS lies for profits. Justice matters. Jan 2023 #17
And people tend to believe what reinforces their world view Kaleva Jan 2023 #29
A case could be made that Fox Noise is just the cable version of a tabloid "journalism." Martin68 Jan 2023 #14
you either have free speech or you don't, which is it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #16
That's what the 6 CEOs that control 95% of M$M count on. rubbersole Jan 2023 #19
Freedom to publish lies & half-truths? Duppers Jan 2023 #21
There are limits to free speech. Ask Alec Jones. progressoid Jan 2023 #25
so there are constrains now. Who's definition of free speech republianmushroom Jan 2023 #27
Under our current system, it is the courts' definition... progressoid Jan 2023 #33
IMO that is not the best but that is better than me or some other red neck republianmushroom Jan 2023 #41
Yelling fire in a crowded theater is protected speech Kaleva Jan 2023 #30
Except progressoid Jan 2023 #32
I agree Kaleva Jan 2023 #36
+1 progressoid Jan 2023 #38
Who cares about royal family drama? Not me. tritsofme Jan 2023 #20
The Royals, aka The Firm, need the tabloids to stay in the spotlight. jalan48 Jan 2023 #22
Harry's doing a fine job of destroying Harry Sympthsical Jan 2023 #26
Yellow Journalism OneBro Jan 2023 #28
I could give a rat's hind end about Harry and Meghan -- but KentuckyWoman Jan 2023 #31
I'm hoping they can effect real change Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #35
Harry himself is giving out TMI Raine Jan 2023 #37
Yeah newspapers are so hot right now. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #39

kimbutgar

(21,177 posts)
1. That 7 part documentary about the Murdoch's on CNN was so eye opening to me
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:45 PM
Jan 2023

Murdoch destroyed politics in Australia ( luckily they fought back) The. He took over the news I Great Britain leading to Brexit which has ruined the economy of Great Britain and he is the reason our country is so screwed and lead us to TFG and the toxic republican party.


His tabloids also went after Diana in a harassing way. And I agree, thank you Harry and Meghan for pushing back.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,748 posts)
3. Just one correction.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:51 PM
Jan 2023

The Chicago Tribune is owned by Alden Global Capital, a hedge fund. The acquisition in 2021 resulted in a mass exodus from the newsroom as Alden offered buyouts. https://news.wttw.com/2021/06/22/mass-exodus-chicago-tribune-journalists-accept-buyouts

Alden also sucks, of course.

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
4. Maybe he was in talks to buy it.. I thought he had..
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:53 PM
Jan 2023

News Corp owns so many media outlets in the US.. it is just nuts..

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
24. Didn't he also buy
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 03:14 PM
Jan 2023

National Geographic Magazine...........

I remember, before Reagan, when they limited the number of Media outlets that one person could own............

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
40. Sorry,
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 10:14 PM
Jan 2023

I am getting up there in age, but I certainly might have not remembered it correctly.....Did Reagan at least start the repeal of the laws on ownership of media??????? I could make a list of things that HWBush/Cheney did to the middle class, some of those things still popping up from time to time, they were just delayed in happening. Many things they did were irreperable. I can't call it the "Reagan" administration because he was already suffering from Dementia/Alzheimers the day he was "installed" in office. It was truly the "HW/Cheney/etc" administration that was using Reagan as a front man and pawn, while they went to town in the shadows, on their all out mission to eradicate the middle class America we all knew and loved.
Many of those same corrupt politicians, Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc did the exact same thing when they installed W. by corrupting the vote on the 2000 and 2004 elections......("W"s brain was fried from way too much coke and alcohol.) Of course the U.S. Supreme Court intervened in the 2000 election to decide the winner indirectly, In spite of the fact that they had absolutely not a legal leg to stand on or a constitutional right to intervene....... The Repubs did a repeat performance in the 2004 Kerrey election, installing W in Office.
If the Dems had stood up to what was happening in any of the elections, we would be living in a different America Today.
HW and his corrupt crowd would have been nailed for their corrupt and flagrantly gross election behavior, Gore or Kerrey would have been elected, Trump would have been exposed, along with the corrupt Donor money and interference via the NRA and Putin....
And Hillary would have been elected.......And importantly, our USSC would not be totally corrupted, and prejudiced by the three members that were "installed" also.......

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,846 posts)
5. The Trib's had some bad owners but Murdoch actually bought the Chicago Sun-Times.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:56 PM
Jan 2023

He owned it for about 2-3 years in the 80s. That was what drove Mike Royko to the Trib and Roger Simon to an out of town paper.

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
8. You know it amazes me how this one person (Murdoch) has been the center of so much
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 01:01 PM
Jan 2023

chaos world wide for the last 50 plus years..

rainin

(3,011 posts)
11. And no one in the royal family has the backbone to defend Harry and Meghan
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 01:43 PM
Jan 2023

The royal family is so afraid of bad press on one hand and so eager to partner with them when it serves them, there will never be reconciliation, in my view. The only way for reunification to happen is for the royal family to use their immense power - their voice - to shame the haters. I share Harry's cynicism. It'll never happen

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
18. The monarchy's interest is in preserving and defending the monarchy, nothing else.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jan 2023

They have their own PR machine which feeds the tabloids just enough to keep them at a reasonable distance from their senior members. They don't care if individuals get run over in the process - they expect all members of the group to be compliant. Its always been this way. Nothing is going to change until the British public gets fed up with paying for it.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
13. I wonder why we are immune to it?
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:01 PM
Jan 2023

According to some here, the only news we in the rural areas have is Fox and RW radio but I and millions of others who live in the boonies are impervious to it

Justice matters.

(6,939 posts)
17. Because you and them know (and knew from the start) stupid tabloids are BS lies for profits.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:43 PM
Jan 2023

RW hate radio and later FOX NEWS (owned by Murdoch) "saw" how profitable they are and wanted to fill their own pockets the same way.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
29. And people tend to believe what reinforces their world view
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 04:39 PM
Jan 2023

You, me and most everyone here could watch Fox news everyday and that won't turn us into Trump voters because we'll question and fact check everything said on Fox.

rubbersole

(6,721 posts)
19. That's what the 6 CEOs that control 95% of M$M count on.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jan 2023

Disinformation and slanted perspective is their stock and trade. It's working.

republianmushroom

(13,659 posts)
27. so there are constrains now. Who's definition of free speech
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 03:20 PM
Jan 2023

free speech do you want to live ?
Don't think I would care to live with yours as you probably would like mine.

progressoid

(49,995 posts)
33. Under our current system, it is the courts' definition...
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 05:44 PM
Jan 2023

Whether you or I like it or not, our views may or may not align with the courts' views.

If you are advocating that you "either have free speech or you don't", then I submit that in the US you don't have an absolute right to free speech. There are limitations imposed by our lawmakers and courts. I'm not saying I agree with it but that's our current system for better or worse.

republianmushroom

(13,659 posts)
41. IMO that is not the best but that is better than me or some other red neck
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 02:34 PM
Jan 2023

determining what is or isn't proper.
I'll go with the court
Disagree sometimes, agree most of the time. Yes there has to be some limitations.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
30. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is protected speech
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 04:42 PM
Jan 2023

The 1969 ruling on the Brandenburg v. Ohio case settled that.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/444/#:~:text=Ohio%2C%20395%20U.S.%20444%20(1969)&text=A%20state%20may%20not%20forbid,incite%20or%20produce%20such%20action.

progressoid

(49,995 posts)
32. Except
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 05:24 PM
Jan 2023

except when the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action". Isn't this concept the basis for the current civil lawsuit against Trump re: Jan 6th?

Admittedly, my example of Holmes' analogy of yelling fire in a theater isn't ideal. Just trying to point out that this isn't a simple either/or topic. It continues to be litigated.

tritsofme

(17,396 posts)
20. Who cares about royal family drama? Not me.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 03:01 PM
Jan 2023

If not for a place like this, I wouldn’t even know it was a thing.

Destroyed? Hardly.

Sympthsical

(9,093 posts)
26. Harry's doing a fine job of destroying Harry
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 03:16 PM
Jan 2023

Now that I know what his and William's penises are like, I'm not sure where else there is to go with all that.

People are not obligated to read things. They are not obligated to watch things.

Every single day it's, "The media are the worst thing ever!" Which I heartily agree with. But then ten seconds later . . . "Can you believe this person on TV/in the newspaper/online said this thing that is outragingly outrageous and is an outrage?!"

It's like telling people they should stop drinking while holding a bottle. I mean yeah, but the advice doesn't really land. "No no, I only read/watch the good stuff!" Yes, and daddy's bottle is also for medicinal purposes.

These things endure because people tolerate them. In most instances, people actively participate in it.

If they didn't, it would go away.

KentuckyWoman

(6,690 posts)
31. I could give a rat's hind end about Harry and Meghan -- but
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 04:48 PM
Jan 2023

Humanity does have a big problem.... that so many people consider the swill that passes for "news" to be real. Social media has only made it worse. Good photoshop or whatever they call it now only complicates things. You can't even believe what you see.

It's by design. Fill the media with so much filth that one can barely see the Ida B Wells, Seymour Hersch type news. The goal is to make sure these folks are never seen and if so, not believed.

https://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-category/206

Raine

(30,540 posts)
37. Harry himself is giving out TMI
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 07:54 PM
Jan 2023

for the tabloids to print, it's on him. Maybe Harry should take Pattie Davis' (Reagan) advice and just "keep quiet". 🤔

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