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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:54 PM Jan 2023

Like everyone who reads this, I have no information about what sort of "classified documents"

were found at President Biden's prior offices.

I have no idea who took them there or left them there.

But, I do know SOMETHING about this situation: I know Joe Biden. I know he is honest and decent and that he highly respects our laws and loves our nation.

I BELIEVE that this is not a situation of intentional theft or concealment or retention of the documents in question.

In short, this is not a "Trump-like" situation and Joe is certainly not a "Trump-like" man.

I've got his back.

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Like everyone who reads this, I have no information about what sort of "classified documents" (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2023 OP
I agree actually America knows him too.We just have millions repeating slander Walleye Jan 2023 #1
K&R spanone Jan 2023 #2
Not the same.... paleotn Jan 2023 #3
YOU know it - I know it - and MyOwnPeace Jan 2023 #4
From the Washington Post applegrove Jan 2023 #5
No Comparison NowISeetheLight Jan 2023 #6
ABC said the second batch were "Vice Presidential briefing papers." GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #7
And Trump denied and then hid and lied re: classified files when the archives applegrove Jan 2023 #8
Yep, and that was over a period of a year. GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #9
+1 Jarqui Jan 2023 #10
I agree that Biden has shown himself to be honorable. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #11
Agreed 👍 phoenix75 Jan 2023 #12
I'm so fucking sick of this shit already. kacekwl Jan 2023 #13
Did you read the OP carefully? Biden's offices are where the latest applegrove Jan 2023 #14
Garland must decide. Will kacekwl Jan 2023 #15
I agree Rebl2 Jan 2023 #18
Bet it doesn't take two years on this one. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #27
You think Garland should "lock up" President Biden? MichMan Jan 2023 #16
I put this all on the National Archives. kacekwl Jan 2023 #17
I agree with most of this. As gab13by13 has pointed out in the past, it seems like the local Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #28
This is clearly a carefully timed set-up. PatrickforB Jan 2023 #19
I'll think it was a set-up until I know for sure it was. housecat Jan 2023 #21
Two observations. Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #20
Biden notified the National Archives as soon as he found the documents, unlike Trump. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #22
If it wasn't this it was gonna be cilla4progress Jan 2023 #23
And I believe the majority of American voters will... phoenix75 Jan 2023 #24
I agree cilla4progress Jan 2023 #25
it could possibly be my imagination agingdem Jan 2023 #26
I agree with you Kaleva Jan 2023 #29

Walleye

(31,055 posts)
1. I agree actually America knows him too.We just have millions repeating slander
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:58 PM
Jan 2023

I am sure we will get a reasonable explanation for this and I’m really glad Biden isn’t allowing it to throw him off balance. I don’t intend to worry until the President looks worried.

paleotn

(17,960 posts)
3. Not the same....
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:03 PM
Jan 2023

He didn't lie about it. His people didn't lie about it. They didn't ignore court orders. The FBI didn't get a court order to raid the place. It's typical reichwing bullshit the MSM falls for every time.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
4. YOU know it - I know it - and
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:06 PM
Jan 2023

the 'majority of Americans' know it - but boy, does MAGAts, FAUX Spews, and Wing-Nuts have a bunch of fuel to keep them alive for another round of classic 'They-all-do-it' - and 'the MEDIA' will just play it for all it is worth in their 'viewer-watching' points game.

And YES, Joe, we've got your back!

applegrove

(118,778 posts)
5. From the Washington Post
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:09 PM
Jan 2023

From WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/01/11/biden-more-documents-found/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert

"SNIP.......

Legal experts say that it is not uncommon for some people who have security clearances to mishandle classified documents. But these situations are typically handled administratively, not criminally, because the criteria for prosecuting people who mishandle classified documents include proving that the person deliberately flouted rules for how to secure the materials.

.......SNIP"

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
6. No Comparison
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:18 PM
Jan 2023

There's a big difference between some papers getting scattered in and accidently removed and intentionally keeping things and refusing to turn them over when asked (like Trump did). One is just negligence. The other is criminal.

GoCubsGo

(32,093 posts)
7. ABC said the second batch were "Vice Presidential briefing papers."
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:20 PM
Jan 2023

And, they weren't even sure the extent to which they were classified--if at all. That doesn't scream "intentional theft" to me, either. I wouldn't be surprised if the first batch were along the same lines. No nuclear or military secrets of the highest order. Nothing that will expose clandestine sources overseas. No documents of the highest levels of classification. Regardless, Biden could have just told his lawyers to destroy those documents, rather than turning them in. I don't hear him saying that he "classified them in my mind," either. Yep. Not even close to being Trump-like.

applegrove

(118,778 posts)
8. And Trump denied and then hid and lied re: classified files when the archives
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:22 PM
Jan 2023

repeatedly asked for them back.

GoCubsGo

(32,093 posts)
9. Yep, and that was over a period of a year.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:27 PM
Jan 2023

Meanwhile, Biden self-reported immediately, both times. In fact, they searched other offices to make sure there were no others.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
10. +1
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:31 PM
Jan 2023

I've observed Joe Biden for ~50years.
Integrity is a big deal with me.
Joe Biden has passed that integrity test unfailingly and repeatedly.
Donald Trump had failed the integrity test every time out - repeatedly.
Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
What more needs to be said?

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
11. I agree that Biden has shown himself to be honorable.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:34 PM
Jan 2023

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in a way I would NEVER give Trump. This is based on their respective records.

I cannot say, "I've got his back" though. Not 100%. I have a reasonable confidence that the items are not going to be world shattering nuclear secrets, trust that they were in a secure location and not in the middle of a golf resort, and accept that they were not taken and secreted intentionally. They were found and the authorities were promptly notified. The matter seems to have been resolved.

The government has to do its due diligence so I will wait and see. I do not expect to be shocked, much like I wasn't shocked with the HUGE bombshell allegations of sexual harassment against President (then candidate) Biden turned out to be nothing more than an attempt to smear him.

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
13. I'm so fucking sick of this shit already.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:02 PM
Jan 2023

Garland get off your ass and lock these criminals up. You can "build your case" while all the motions and delays are filed. That should be plenty of time to gather evidence.

applegrove

(118,778 posts)
14. Did you read the OP carefully? Biden's offices are where the latest
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:20 PM
Jan 2023

documents are found. Garland must decide whether or not to name a separate special council. Apparently it is common for some officials to retire with a few classified documents in the wrong place. The difference with Trump's case is he lied and hid classified documents that were asked for by the archives so the FBI had to raid Mar A Lago.

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
15. Garland must decide. Will
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:35 PM
Jan 2023

it take two years ?? I don't care and where they were found. I believe any of this. Call me a conspiracy theorist but it's all to convenient.

Rebl2

(13,554 posts)
18. I agree
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:50 PM
Jan 2023

Seems all to convenient. They were put there by fbi or secret service who are trump supporters.

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
17. I put this all on the National Archives.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:47 PM
Jan 2023

Is there a problem keeping track of their classified documents ? Something is wrong there of something is fishy.

Scrivener7

(51,007 posts)
28. I agree with most of this. As gab13by13 has pointed out in the past, it seems like the local
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 11:08 AM
Jan 2023

librarian has a better grip on the documents in the local library than the National Archives has on the secrets that could be the most damaging to our country.

But I don't put all of it on them. The speed with which Garland seems to have looked into this, versus his year-long hot-potato-passing on the much more dangerous breach doesn't make me more confident about him than I was previously.

PatrickforB

(14,588 posts)
19. This is clearly a carefully timed set-up.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:02 PM
Jan 2023

Because, hey, this is new fodder for McCarthy. No one cares at all about Hillary's emails, OR Hunter's laptop, after all. The Republican House Members must earn their inflated salaries for continuing to tear down this Republic. That's the bottom line. The Wall Street greed-lizards, billionaire parasites and and the boards and c-suite offers of publicly held corporations would do a much better job of governing the country, don't you know?

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
20. Two observations.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:10 PM
Jan 2023

1. The trouble with living like Trump is even if you told the truth, no one would believe you.

2. A man wiser than me gave me some business advice which is simple yet all-encompassing: Say what you do and do what you say. Trump is a failure at business because he does neither of these things. Never has.

SunSeeker

(51,698 posts)
22. Biden notified the National Archives as soon as he found the documents, unlike Trump.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:47 PM
Jan 2023

Trump intentionally concealed the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. And unlike Trump, the National Archives were not even asking for Biden's documents-they didn't even know anything was missing. Unlike Trump, Biden immediately turned over the documents and then proceeded to search other possible locations to make sure he didn't have any more. That is how they found the second batch. Trump is not searching other locations and didn't want to turn over the documents to the National Archives, claiming "they're mine."

cilla4progress

(24,766 posts)
23. If it wasn't this it was gonna be
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:50 PM
Jan 2023

something. Anything. Bullshit.

We just need to have faith in the American voters to see this for what it is.

phoenix75

(290 posts)
24. And I believe the majority of American voters will...
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:09 PM
Jan 2023

The maga base seems to be shrinking as a percentage of voters overall, and the House magats continuing to push new anti-abortion legislation plus their expected attacks on Social Security/Medicare are committing political suicide.

agingdem

(7,858 posts)
26. it could possibly be my imagination
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:42 PM
Jan 2023

but it seems to me no one other than the MSM and the MAGA crazies are going nuts over the Biden document thingy.. even politics junkies like us aren't exactly in OMG mode...could it be the George Santos/Kevin McCarthy 24/7 GOP shit show is more entertaining than a second document discovery?...I'm just not feeling the usual Chicken Little "sky is falling" freakout...

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