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Do you believe the Biden classified documents were planted ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2023 OP
They were almost certainly taken accidentally. Ocelot II Jan 2023 #1
TY & HCR nt Cha Jan 2023 #55
Come on! We don't do stupid conspiracy theories. nt LAS14 Jan 2023 #2
Aw come on! Dr. Strange Jan 2023 #5
You gave me a chuckle KS Toronado Jan 2023 #31
Wanna bet? LOL Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #7
I was in high school during Watergate. edbermac Jan 2023 #22
Obviously you haven't been reading this board lately ripcord Jan 2023 #26
Seriously. Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #56
No. It's beyond far fetched underpants Jan 2023 #3
And into the garage wryter2000 Jan 2023 #25
I don't know, but so far, at this point in time, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #4
Nope... Not enough wherewithal to find old docs and Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #6
I'll wait till the investigation to be completed as I have no idea at this time. Kaleva Jan 2023 #8
No, but the silver lining will be the contrast in following the law. rubbersole Jan 2023 #9
Here's the only thing I know for sure: FakeNoose Jan 2023 #10
Sure, why not. BWdem4life Jan 2023 #11
You should provide an 'undecided' option EYESORE 9001 Jan 2023 #12
Agree! mountain grammy Jan 2023 #13
No, but then again, GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #14
The mover did it. usonian Jan 2023 #15
. Carlitos Brigante Jan 2023 #51
Based on my understanding of 'normal procedure' for... Septua Jan 2023 #15
Control of most classified documents is not that rigid. Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #57
No, that's tinfoil hat thinking Raine Jan 2023 #17
Not likely, but Biden doesn't trust the Secret Service relayerbob Jan 2023 #18
I don't think the ones at the office were planted dflprincess Jan 2023 #24
It's a possibility, but so are aliens. TreasonousBastard Jan 2023 #19
I Think SheilaF Jan 2023 #20
Where did you find all those details? Septua Jan 2023 #21
You forget to add this? KS Toronado Jan 2023 #32
No. Dum Aloo Jan 2023 #23
100 % plant Patton French Jan 2023 #27
+1 Meadowoak Jan 2023 #30
Are we STILL putting things past tfg?? People in this thread act as if Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #28
Q says they were planted iemanja Jan 2023 #29
Q only said TFG's documents were planted. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2023 #34
The argument is the same iemanja Jan 2023 #42
Hank Johnson (D-Ga) suggests classified documents may have been planted at Biden residence brachism Jan 2023 #33
Do you believe Trump orchestrated an insurrection? Emile Jan 2023 #35
The poll results are an embarrassment. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #36
+1,000 Emile Jan 2023 #37
Why are they an embarrassment? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2023 #39
+1 Takket Jan 2023 #50
It's not been established one way or the other at this point Johonny Jan 2023 #38
My moron wingnut exterminator sez HAB911 Jan 2023 #40
Only if there was a staffer that was secretly a Trumper. JanMichael Jan 2023 #41
As more locations are discovered it gets harder to believe News Junkie Jan 2023 #43
No, because that's kind of a silly thing to believe. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #44
Apropos of nothing or maybe everything BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #45
Is Eric Ding Q? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2023 #46
No he's a Covid alarmist/profiteer. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #47
Let me see if I understand the conspiracy theory... brooklynite Jan 2023 #48
Yes! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2023 #49
Have to consider it's possible. Also, we KNOW RW enemies Hortensis Jan 2023 #52
I have no reason to BELIEVE that, tosh Jan 2023 #53
Doubt it. moondust Jan 2023 #54
Is Biden, or anyone close to him, suggesting they were planted? Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #58

Ocelot II

(116,660 posts)
1. They were almost certainly taken accidentally.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:07 AM
Jan 2023

"According to journalist Matthew Miller, classified documents often get taken from government facilities by accident. Those errors are reported, the documents recovered, and a damage assessment made to determine whether further action needs to be taken, all of which took place here." https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-12-2023

edbermac

(15,976 posts)
22. I was in high school during Watergate.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 01:08 AM
Jan 2023

Maybe he did take them home by accident, but I could totally believe they were planted.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
26. Obviously you haven't been reading this board lately
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 01:42 AM
Jan 2023

I wish I had known it was conspiracy theory day on the DU, I would have brought party hats.


underpants

(183,670 posts)
3. No. It's beyond far fetched
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:10 AM
Jan 2023

Consider what it would take to get the first 12 into the UPenn offices and into what we are told was a locked closet.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,793 posts)
4. I don't know, but so far, at this point in time,
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:12 AM
Jan 2023

there is zero evidence of these docs being planted by anyone, so until there's solid evidence of such, then I'll keep an open mind.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Nope... Not enough wherewithal to find old docs and
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:16 AM
Jan 2023

evade SS protection at house?

We must face that TS and classified docs number in the multi-millions. If we could rewind history, would have never said how sacred they are. Would have said that they are everywhere in govt. Everywhere. What's important is what you do when some are found that shouldn't have been left??

rubbersole

(6,959 posts)
9. No, but the silver lining will be the contrast in following the law.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:23 AM
Jan 2023

The rw is going to be on every detail of this story for months. Hair on fire. The sleazy treasonous behavior vs correct innocent adult behavior. On display.

FakeNoose

(33,540 posts)
10. Here's the only thing I know for sure:
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:24 AM
Jan 2023

Joe Biden didn't claim to "declassify" them in his own mind.

He's going to take whatever blame they lay on him, and move on.

BWdem4life

(1,814 posts)
11. Sure, why not.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:26 AM
Jan 2023

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I really don't believe much of anything anymore... Reality has worn me down to a nub.

EYESORE 9001

(26,330 posts)
12. You should provide an 'undecided' option
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:28 AM
Jan 2023

Without more information, I won’t say they were planted, but it’s something I consider possible.

GoCubsGo

(32,159 posts)
14. No, but then again,
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:43 AM
Jan 2023

I wouldn't put it past the Trump cult to pull something like that. But, I believe this is honest mistakes by Biden and/or others.

Septua

(2,311 posts)
15. Based on my understanding of 'normal procedure' for...
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:47 AM
Jan 2023

..classified documents, I don't understand how Trump or Biden left office with a single document, let alone, numerous documents.

I suppose a President and maybe Vice President are given greater latitude and could be allowed to remove a document from the assigned location but one would think they would still have to sign out a document and be expected to return it at some point. And if someone is in charge of keeping up with the signed out stuff, they would be advising the individual of his overdue library book.

In Biden's case, we're talking about files he allegedly took home 6 years ago. I'm close to Joe's age and can't remember all the details of what I did yesterday. But I would bet, if he was shown the documents, he could explain why he had them in the first place.

But, and I'm assuming here, unlike Trump, he wouldn't have wanted or needed to take documents home after leaving office. As someone else noted, there's not enough information available at the moment to draw any conclusions beyond the files getting inadvertently packed in with other stuff.

Ms. Toad

(34,428 posts)
57. Control of most classified documents is not that rigid.
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 07:54 PM
Jan 2023

It isn't like they keep a list of every single document classified by every single entity which is permitted to classify docuents, with numbered copies to track.

But Biden almost certainly didn't take documents when he left office. They were likely already in these locations because he needed them in locations other than the White House because being vice president isn't a 9-5 job. Nor it is a discrete task, sequential job task kind of job. He was almost certainly multi-tasking and set aside documents needed for one task when working on another and didn't get them all back where they belonged, and forgot about them.

That's in sharp contrast with Trump who took the documents when he left office because be wanted souveniers, believed they belonged to him, etc., and then when discovered tried to hide them and to avoid returning them.

relayerbob

(6,590 posts)
18. Not likely, but Biden doesn't trust the Secret Service
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:51 AM
Jan 2023

It's not outside the realm of possibility with these assholes. But, probably not

dflprincess

(28,143 posts)
24. I don't think the ones at the office were planted
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 01:13 AM
Jan 2023

But it's not impossible the ones at the house were. And the Secret Service would be my number 1 suspect,

SheilaF

(3 posts)
20. I Think
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 12:52 AM
Jan 2023

Evidence suggests the document was planted. First, the document was written on a typewriter. Second, the document was found in a file marked "presidential orders." Third, a Secret Service agent claims to have witnessed the document being planted. Fourth, the document was found before the 2016 election. In light of recent developments, I would like to suggest to the readers to watch the following video in which a bobcat attacks a group of coyotes.

Scrivener7

(51,231 posts)
28. Are we STILL putting things past tfg?? People in this thread act as if
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 01:58 AM
Jan 2023

that is an impossibility.

This is trump. Any vile thing is possible for him if it gets him off the hook.

I don't think they were, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

brachism

(82 posts)
33. Hank Johnson (D-Ga) suggests classified documents may have been planted at Biden residence
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 04:29 AM
Jan 2023

He's been in Congress over 16 years, winning re-election 8 times. He is certainly more trustable than the talking heads on Fox News or CNN. Believe what you will...

https://wfin.com/fox-political-news/democrat-suggests-classified-docs-in-bidens-home-office-may-have-been-planted-after-second-batch-found/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Johnson

And for the record I'm not suggesting he is right. I'm just saying, food for thought.

Johonny

(21,214 posts)
38. It's not been established one way or the other at this point
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 12:39 PM
Jan 2023

But he's not acting like he thinks they're planted so probably not.

HAB911

(9,061 posts)
40. My moron wingnut exterminator sez
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 02:31 PM
Jan 2023

they were planted, he's being set up by............................the deep state. dum dum dum

JanMichael

(24,947 posts)
41. Only if there was a staffer that was secretly a Trumper.
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 02:45 PM
Jan 2023

Somebody that they had on the VP staff that was a mole and thought this out years in advance.

I doubt that happened. If it did they're much smarter than I give them credit for.

Personally I think his staff was just f****** sloppy. And now they're finding all the s*** that they couldn't keep track of or didn't read or didn't care that they were putting in a box.

Does anybody know who his VP staff was that boxed up all his stuff after 2016?

Jedi Guy

(3,307 posts)
44. No, because that's kind of a silly thing to believe.
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 03:00 PM
Jan 2023

If the documents had been planted, would it not make sense for Biden to assert as much and provide whatever evidence he has? He hasn't done so, though, so either he doesn't believe they were planted or he has no evidence that they were. And he likely has no evidence that they were planted because they weren't.

The far more likely explanation is that the documents were overlooked and were there the entire time until discovered. It was, to put it bluntly, a mistake. Anyone can make a mistake, but how a person responds to a mistake demonstrates their character (or lack thereof). Biden will handle the mistake with dignity and grace, whereas Trump will be himself and I really needn't expand on what that means. Trump's possession of the documents wasn't a mistake in the first place, anyway.

The two situations are apples and oranges.

BannonsLiver

(16,699 posts)
45. Apropos of nothing or maybe everything
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 04:17 PM
Jan 2023

One of the people who voted yes 🤦🙄😬 has actively promoted the nuttery of Eric Ding on this forum. Rather illuminating, tbh.

brooklynite

(95,646 posts)
48. Let me see if I understand the conspiracy theory...
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 04:55 PM
Jan 2023

Rogue Secret Service agents were supportive of Donald Trump winning in 2016 and therefore stole documents from Biden's VP office in 2016 in case Biden chose to run against Trump, but then didn't hide them during the campaign which might cause a scandal, but instead hid them during Biden's Administration in the hope that, if Trump got caught in a scandal, someone would search his records and find them?

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
49. Yes!
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 05:35 PM
Jan 2023

There are NEVER any innocent coincidences connected to things impacting Trump!

Things are ALWAYS found to be more sinister than you even suspected when the facts are uncovered!

Just watch!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Have to consider it's possible. Also, we KNOW RW enemies
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 06:16 PM
Jan 2023

are ruthless and unprincipled enough to do things much worse than this and carry out conspiracies much more complex.

We DON'T know yet that people in the Obama-Biden amin were sloppy and careless enough to do this. It'd be pretty damned bad. Classified document markings are not exactly top secret.

tosh

(4,428 posts)
53. I have no reason to BELIEVE that,
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 07:27 PM
Jan 2023

but if, in the end, there is evidence of that I will not be terribly shocked.

There are no limits to the tactics these rethugs and MAGAts will try.

I mean, GOOD GRIEF, just look at the things we actually know they have attempted.

moondust

(20,101 posts)
54. Doubt it.
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 07:33 PM
Jan 2023

If they had been planted and "discovered" a few days before the midterms, announcing the "discovery" BEFORE the midterms in hopes of influencing the election would have surely been part of the plan. Not sure why anybody would wait almost two months to tell the press/public.

Upon a thorough search a person could probably still find some classified documents in an office connected to the staff of GWB, Reagan, or even Nixon. The Reagan admin was particularly known for being corrupt.

I can no longer watch the media hype creating this "crisis."

Ms. Toad

(34,428 posts)
58. Is Biden, or anyone close to him, suggesting they were planted?
Sat Jan 14, 2023, 07:59 PM
Jan 2023

Hmmmmm . . . nope. That should be a big clue that he knows it is possible that papers were misplaced and inadvertently not returned when he left office.

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