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cornball 24

(1,474 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:43 PM Jan 2023

Classified Document Tracking? Why are documents that have been missing since Biden

was VP now a subject of interest! The time frame is questionable. Why are these "missing documents" still missing after a number of years. What is the "protocol", if any, for tracking them? Something ain't right.

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Hokie

(4,285 posts)
1. My brother posited a theory
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:49 PM
Jan 2023

He was a civilian DoD employee with top secret clearance. He believes there is a good possibility that Trump friends in the FBI or Secret Service planted documents to incriminate Biden. Of course Biden is President now and has access to everything. Trump has access to nothing.

I don't know if I buy into this particular conspiracy but something sure stinks to high heaven.

Walleye

(30,902 posts)
6. My theory is that the first documents discovered in the office were a legit mistake
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:58 PM
Jan 2023

For the ones in his home I suspect the Secret Service. Since they stayed in the guest house next to that garage.Far-fetched but not impossible. And none of this would mean anything except in light of what trump did.

doc03

(35,270 posts)
2. Gee I would think a Top Secret document would maybe have a bar code. I made an
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:50 PM
Jan 2023

online order last week, I was notified when it was shipped and advised of its location
every day. They told me when it would be delivered and a minute after it was delivered I
got an e-mail saying it was delivered. They lose Top Secret documents for 6 years and nobody
knew.

jmbar2

(4,855 posts)
5. Nearly every information-dependent business has document management systems
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:56 PM
Jan 2023

With security-based check-in and out.

It can't be that hard...

pwb

(11,225 posts)
7. Classified, Sensitive, Top Secret, documents are not always returned.
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:58 PM
Jan 2023

They are not lost. The envelopes have instructions to follow with the very very top secret information. A classified note is way different. Joe could be throwing trump a life preserver on this one issue too? The good old presidents club behind the scenes. Joe knows tump is fucked in so many other ways. Intent is the issue I have with all this. Trump lacks good intention.

Justice matters.

(6,908 posts)
10. hair furhair
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 08:53 PM
Jan 2023
obstructed their return because he said publicly "they're MINE" so by just refusing to comply fully to a DOJ subpoena (even by telling his coffee boy and lawyer barbie to lie to the FBI), that's the criminal-code's blue book definition of committing Obstruction of Justice, but he doesn't care about HIM committing felonies as it's always someone else's fault.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
11. From Brennan Center
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 08:57 PM
Jan 2023
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents

The first is a system of markings. All classified information in a document must be clearly marked so that anyone who handles that document knows exactly what protections are required. Markings must include, among other information, the level of classification — e.g.,
Confidential,
Secret,
Top Secret,
Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,
Restricted Data,
Formerly Restricted Data.

Second, agencies maintain classification guides that specify categories of information that have been deemed classified by original classification authorities (for instance, “names of covert operatives”). These guides can run hundreds of pages long, and there are thousands of them throughout the federal government.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
13. It's one of the links in the Brennan Report. Did not realize the link was dead.
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 11:00 PM
Jan 2023

I thought you wanted to verify what the levels were. But there was a LOT more detail in the Brennan Report.


https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents


Second, agencies maintain classification guides that specify categories of information that have been deemed classified by original classification authorities (for instance, “names of covert operatives”). These guides can run hundreds of pages long, and there are thousands of them throughout the federal government.


The Classification Guides have a general template for Classification Level

https://www.archives.gov/files/isoo/training/scg-handbook.pdf

Classification Level

The OCA determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security. The OCA must be able to identify or describe the damage.

Confidential – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which
reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security.

Secret – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.

Top Secret – applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which
reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national
security.

EDIT: Eligibility (From same handbook as link above - might be helpful)

The information must fall within one or more of the categories of information listed in E.O. 13526, Sec. 1.4. These are the eight categories of information eligible for classification:

(a) Military plans, weapons systems, or operations
(b) Foreign government information
(c) Intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods,
or cryptology
(d) Foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential
sources
(e) Scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to national security
(f) U.S. Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities
(g) Vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects,
plans, or protection services relating to national security
(h) The development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.

Phoenix61

(16,987 posts)
14. Military plans can include individual deployment orders.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 12:42 AM
Jan 2023

My point is so many who are flipping out over “classified” documents being found have no idea what that actually means. The information can be incredibly benign.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
15. Yeah. Because if in doubt, mark it classified.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 02:17 AM
Jan 2023

Because if it SHOULD have been and wasn't marked, heads will roll.

If it didn't need to be classified, someone can get it declassified and no one dies... well maybe of embarrassment.. NAH.

GoCubsGo

(32,069 posts)
17. They are the subject of interest because of Trump's thievery, along with
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 08:51 AM
Jan 2023

our lazy-ass, outrage-hungry media's penchant for making everything into a "Both sides do it" scandal. Had Trump returned those documents upon first request, or second, or third, we never would have heard anything about it. This is not about "document tracking." It's about our shitty, useless media conflating one man's criminal acts and obstruction of justice with another's sloppiness. Please stop trying to make this a NARA issue. It is not. It's just a rabbit hole down which many of you are descending.

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