Until recently, I was not aware that some here are "not admirers" of the late Ruth Bader Ginzburg.

[Atticus]

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Some apparently "blame" her for not resigning during President Obama's eight years and, thus, imposing Justice Amy Cody Barrett on the nation.

Did not EVERYONE "know" that there was no way Trump would win the 2016 election?

Is it not reasonable that this diminutive champion of womens' rights fully expected to resign when she could be replaced by the first female POTUS?

I understand that every great person has their flaws and few political icons are as good as they are portrayed by admirers anxious to hold them up as stellar examples, but this woman's life, fairly assessed, contained far more extraordinary goodness than any jurist in recent memory. Nearly all women owe her debts they can never repay.

So, this old white non-Jewish man continues to be genuinely awed by her lifetime of accomplishments and I am somewhat saddened by those who "blame" her for Justice Barrett and feel that wipes out her legacy.

[FlyingPiggy]

1. She couldn't resign until we had control of the senate.

Look what happened when scotus scalia passed away. The republican controlled senate would not allow obama to nominate Merrick Garland. People not supporting RBG are myopic to think she was power hungry or would not want to retire.

[markodochartaigh]

69. The Republicans refused to give a hearing to ANY

nominee. This was so far from precedent, so far outside the rules that no one outside of Republican leadership could have predicted it. Maybe, and in my opinion probably, if anyone outside of Republican leadership had any idea of their plan it would be a supreme court justice. If RBG had heard whispers of their plan likely she wouldn't have said anything because it would have seemed so unbelievable, and there would be no way to prove it until after she was dead. This may seem like a conspiracy theory, but if anyone doesn't believe that our oiligarchs conspire behind closed doors to run society in their own best interests, well I know the perfect presidential candidate for them.

[brooklynite]

5. Incorrect

There was only a brief time during President Obama's tenure when we had the HOUSE. We had the Senate for six of his eight years.

[niyad]

9. Thank you. I knew I should have checked.

[dpibel]

83. However...

There was only a brief time during President Obama's tenure when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

And one of those 60 votes was Joe Lieberman, the quisling role model for Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.

And a mere Democratic majority was meaningless, as the filibuster still applied to Supreme Court justices.

So your "incorrect" is correct, but functionally of no matter.

[brooklynite]

88. As much a people don't like Lieberman, he never voted down a judicial nominee.

And the filibuster for SC nominees was lifted in 2013. It also wasn't applied by the Republicans to the nomination of Sotomayor or Souter.

[tritsofme]

99. After 2013, neither party was going to tolerate a Supreme Court filibuster

After the first rules change, the fuse was lit, and the ability to filibuster SCOTUS nominees existed only theoretically.

[Woodswalker]

3. Sorry but she rolled the dice knowing damn well with her health history it was a risk, and it will

now cost the American people for generations to come. Kinda erases everything she accomplished.

[secondwind]

11. No it doesn't. She will be loved and admired always.

[Ferrets are Cool]

37. This!!!!

[Hekate]

72. She single-handedly did that. Wowza. That's some supernatural power, I tells ya.

[Rebl2]

62. 👆👆👆

[unweird]

14. Kinda doesn't

But you do you.

[rubbersole]

18. What?

McConnell was majority leader. Disingenuous lying traitor, but majority leader. He wouldn't have brought her chosen replacement up for a vote. Her accomplishments are unparalleled.

[tritsofme]

100. Democrats controlled the Senate until 2015.

[StoolPigeon]

26. So she was a failure because she died

With that logic we will all be failures one day.

[Hekate]

59. 'Scuse me? You don't sound all that Woke, Mom

[Hekate]

78. It is bloody marvellous how you can read minds and foresee the future

Have you thought of taking this show in the road?

[BannonsLiver]

85. +1

She was always a little overrated.

[BannonsLiver]

89. I could not agree more.

[brooklynite]

4. And critiquing her work/life choices means she's not admired?

Some apparently feel only absolutist positions are possible.

[Atticus]

15. Some go beyond "critiquing" her and state that her misjudgment about when to retire

erases "everything she accomplished". THAT is "absolutist" and, in my opinion, grossly unfair.

[Renew Deal]

6. How is her last name spelled?

[ShazzieB]

7. Ginsburg

[dem4decades]

8. Well the Right was playing the long game and they won. She should have resigned.

[Sympthsical]

10. One single great mistake can undo a lot of goodwill

Think of someone who grows up, works hard, succeeds in life and becomes a doctor. They save lives, are admired by the community, and contribute a great deal.

Then at a Christmas party, they have one or two too many, get behind the wheel, and accidentally kill a family.

One mistake can be all it takes to upend a lifetime spent doing good works. It can be what tarnishes a legacy.

RBG was an amazing woman. She had a brilliant mind, broke a lot of barriers, and could have left a legacy for the ages.

She rolled the dice, with her health and with an American electorate that can literally do anything at any given time. She lost. Saying, "She wanted the first female POTUS to select her successor," isn't a good excuse. That's vanity. President Obama himself understood the risks and was trying to influence her to retire.

Politics are never ever a guaranteed thing. Everyone did not know that a Republican couldn't win in 2016 - even factoring for Trump. I kept telling many people it was easily possible and that I didn't like how things were shaping up. Plenty of other people did, too. That some quarters decided they didn't want to listen is neither here nor there. ("Thanks for your concern!" and "We don't need you" and "It's in the bag" are phrases that should never be uttered for the rest of time by some people).

It's unfortunate. It doesn't diminish RBG's accomplishments. No one can take those accomplishments away from her. She deserves to be admired for all she achieved in her life.

However. When assessing what her legacy is, that refusal to retire knowing the unpredictability of elections and her own health issues will be a giant black asterisk next to it. People may not like that, but it is what it is. She made her choices.

[Renew Deal]

13. Giving up power, access, and friendships is hard.

And obviously it was too much for her. It does not diminish her legacy but it also cannot be ignored.

[Sympthsical]

19. I think once you're at that level, it can be difficult to perceive clearly

I think the idea of waiting for the first female president is the kind of consideration only someone at that level could engage in. I think for most, they'd be looking at their own health, the possibilities and risks, and the effects of that risk-taking.

I don't dislike RBG much less hate her. She was an amazing person whose name will be remembered when we teach our history.

But . . . things could've ended better. The irony is too great to not have commentary about. A barrier-breaking woman ascending to the highest level and playing that role in bringing all women closer to equality. Then one bad choice and, well, women are now worse off in part because of it.

That is some O. Henry shit.

[Joinfortmill]

24. Ah, it's McConnell who should be blamed not RBG. Let's at least get that right.

[Sympthsical]

27. It's multidimensional

Everyone had their role to play in how we are where we are. I'm certainly not denying that.

[tritsofme]

101. If she retired before 2015, McConnell could have been irrelevant

[dpibel]

87. Two words: Merrick Garland

The window of time during which Ginsburg could have cravenly hung on because "the first female POTUS" was not much different from the window of time during which Merrick Garland got not so much as an interview with Mitch McConnell.

It may be legit to say that Ginsburg should have retired early in Obama's tenure, when he got Kagan and Sotomayor onto the the court.

But that's not the same as saying, "Once it became clear Hillary was sure to be elected, Ginsburg was just hanging in out of hubris" ignores the clear facts of the matter.

[Sympthsical]

91. One year: 2014

That is when President Obama was trying to get her to step down.

We still had control of the Senate.

81 years old and already having suffered multiple bouts with cancer is not "retiring early" under anyone's definition of the term. It was was making a choice with known risks.

I am not the one who keeps using "waiting for Hillary" as a valid understandable excuse for the choice. You'd have to take that one up with the people who keep pushing it.

[rso]

12. RBG

A truly admirable person and outstanding jurist, but that does not mean we can’t at least disagree with her decision to not retire in order to ensure that another similarly inclined individual succeed her.

[dlk]

16. The double standard for women is alive and well

Sadly, it has never really left and women are usually judged more harshly than men. No doubt Ginsburg was hoping to have the honor and privilege of serving with the first woman president.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

23. Did you miss the EXTREME pressure for Breyer to retire?

It's not because she's a woman. Justices have had pressure to retire for a long time.

[dlk]

94. That was a different issue

This was about the negativity directed toward RBG for not retiring sooner.

[NoRethugFriends]

32. Nope. This one has nothing to do with that.

But of course in general there is a double standard for women

[dlk]

95. The post was about negativity directed toward RBG for not retiring

I expressed my thoughts, although you may disagree

[NoRethugFriends]

110. I know it was. Same would have been directed against Breyer if he hadn't retired.

There are tons of things where women suffer from a double standard. It's not this one.

[live love laugh]

17. Even if she'd resigned McConnell was waiting to block her replacement.

And who foresaw the unprecedented Trump or McConnell?

[getagrip_already]

43. the gop only had the senate in obamas last 2 years.....

She had plenty of time in his admin under a dem senate to resign. She knew she had very little time left.

She held on for her own reasons, and it was her right, but it will be her failure as well.

[live love laugh]

63. Hindsight vision is always 20/20.

[live love laugh]

79. LOL 😂

[twodogsbarking]

20. There is only reality. Fantasy rarely is negative.

[DownriverDem]

21. That's because

they want old people to go away. They think young folks with no experiece is the way to go. Not this voter. Their views are divisive and not welcomed by many. They lack history and context.

[NoRethugFriends]

33. Has nothing to do with old people going away.

Has to do with keeping the court as liberal s possible.

[tritsofme]

102. "Old people" going away is unfortunately reality.

We still did end up with “young folks with no experience” but instead of a brilliant jurist in the mold of Justice Jackson, we got Barrett. And that is a direct result of Ginsberg’s choices.

[Joinfortmill]

22. Me, too. She's one of my heroes. Even our mythical Gods are not perfect...

But, I'm just one old gal who lived during a time when women were second class citizens in the U.S.A.

This is who Ruth Bader Ginsberg was: https://achievement.org/achiever/ruth-bader-ginsburg/

'In 1970, Ginsburg co-founded The Women’s Rights Law Reporter, the first law journal in the United States devoted to gender equality issues. Two years later, she moved from Rutgers to Columbia University Law School, and became the first woman to receive tenure there. In 1973, she argued her first case before the United States Supreme Court. After the American Civil Liberties Union referred a number of sex discrimination complaints to her, she founded the ACLU’s Women’s Rights Project. She became the project’s general counsel, as well as serving on the national board of the ACLU. At the time, she was writing the first textbook on sex discrimination law, Text, Cases, and Materials on Sex-Based Discrimination, published in 1974.'

[CTyankee]

92. I met her when I worked for the ACLU back in the day at its national office. She was coming in to

meet with the head of the Women's Rights Project of the ACLU. I was introduced by the project's director.
She was held in awe by the women there.

[Joinfortmill]

124. How cool is that..

[Farmer-Rick]

25. She will always be my hero

Simply for her dissenting opinion in Bush v Gore. This was where the Supremes went off the rails. She tried to keep them on track.

[milestogo]

28. I was on a tour of the Supreme Court in Johannesburg South Africa

and my guide - a young, black, South African man - started talking about her. He said she was one of his heroes. It blew me away.

[Scrivener7]

29. I loved her to pieces. Still do. But she should have resigned.

I took a lot of heat for saying that at the time. No doubt I'll take that heat again.

So be it.

[Gore1FL]

30. McConnell would have held the seat open if she had retired. nt

[ColinC]

40. She could have retired in 2014 immediately when the gop took back the senate

Dems had enough seats to confirm her in a lame duck session.


All of this is hindsight 20/20 of course. Nobody could have been so sure she wouldn’t make it to a Dem senate and president. Nor did they anticipate the GOP going to the unprecedented extremes to keep the court as they did.

[onenote]

93. McConnell was majority leader 2015-2016.

As has been pointed out numerous times.

[Gore1FL]

105. Thanks for pointing it out again. That was indeed helpful? nt

[Autumn]

31. I'm not a fan of any of them or the courts itself. There is no reason for them to be appointed

they should have to apply for the job just as if it were a government job. No president should be appointing them, they should be hired and fired on their own merits and no appointment should be for life. At one time it made sense because there were few educated people. Now they are a dime a dozen.

[LiberalFighter]

35. Except that is not what is in the Constitution.

[Autumn]

42. A lot of thing are and are not in the constitution, like the gun humpers well regulated militia.

Assault weapons and here we fucking are. Slaughters damn near every day. The constitution established the court and Congress can change it if they want.

[Autumn]

54. Congress does have the power to organize it.

"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." Although the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court, it permits Congress to decide how to organize it.


I posted MY opinion of that court and it's occupants. I didn't say that was how it had to be, I see that court as irrelevant, nothing holy or great about it. It's outdated bullshit. I see no point in discussing my opinion with you. You disagree with my opinion of how it should be, that's fine. Time to move on. Have a nice day.

[Autumn]

57. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to argue it. I gave my opinion about that court and what I see

wrong with it. What I get from Article III, Section I, is that it permits Congress to decide how to organize it. It's an out dated organization and should be changed.

That is my opinion only.

[onenote]

96. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the following words in the Constitution:

Article II, Section 2, Clause 2

[the President shall] nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint ... Judges of the Supreme Court....

[Autumn]

60. I said what I posted was MY opinion, I didn't say it was law. I believe the court should be

changed and I believe that Congress can change it. They have in the past.

Article III of the Constitution establishes the federal judiciary. Article III, Section I states that "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." Although the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court, it permits Congress to decide how to organize it. Congress first exercised this power in the Judiciary Act of 1789. This Act created a Supreme Court with six justices. It also established the lower federal court system.

The Justices
Over the years, various Acts of Congress have altered the number of seats on the Supreme Court, from a low of five to a high of 10. Shortly after the Civil War, the number of seats on the Court was fixed at nine. Today, there is one Chief Justice and eight Associate Justices of the United States Supreme Court. Like all federal judges, justices are appointed by the President and are confirmed by the Senate. They, typically, hold office for life. The salaries of the justices cannot be decreased during their term of office. These restrictions are meant to protect the independence of the judiciary from the political branches of government.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/about#:~:text=Article%20III%2C%20Section%20I%20states,decide%20how%20to%20organize%20it.

[COL Mustard]

67. They do have the authority to change the court

It’s established in the Constitution. It can and should be expanded so that one Justice oversees each judicial circuit, in my opinion.

[Autumn]

111. Something needs to change and that sounds like a good idea.

The republican senators and some Presidents have weaponized that court.

[LiberalFighter]

34. Some are short sighted about the facts.

Too many do not understand the process involved.

[getagrip_already]

48. her replacement was rushed through in a month.....

So yeah, we kind of fo know the process.

Barret was nominated at the end of september 2020. She was confirmed before October was out. Roughly 30 days.

Yeah, the mysterious process.

[ColinC]

36. Her mistake was not retiring before 2015

I am a fan of hers but her decision to not retire had some horrible consequences

[Elessar Zappa]

38. I admire her greatly

AND wish she would have retired earlier. But it certainly doesn’t take anything away from her awesome legacy.

[Ferrets are Cool]

39. From the replies on this post, it is many more than I suspected.

[live love laugh]

65. ✔️

[Hekate]

76. And so very, very eager to smear her

[Ferrets are Cool]

80. Yeah, as wonderful as DU is...

it does disappoint sometimes.

[tritsofme]

104. You can admire someone, and still be disappointed in some of their decisions.

I don’t see the conflict.

[bluescribbler]

41. Might as well blame Thurgood Marshall

For Clarence Thomas.

[tritsofme]

103. No, but it is a cautionary tale.

By the time he retired, not in good health, there hadn’t been a Democratic president in 11 years.

Even though it makes some folks angry, it’s a good example of why someone like Sotomayor should seriously consider retirement in the next two years. It could very easily be a long time before Democrats control both the WH and the Senate.

[jaxexpat]

45. She was a good ol' gal but it would have gone better...

if she'd have resigned in 2013 or 14. Was there some monumental accomplishment she managed during her last years that erases the lamentable results of her predictable and untimely death?

It's the bird in the hand equation, you see.

[ForgedCrank]

51. I don't understand

the philosophy that demands we accept everyone either completely, or not at all.
Since we are dealing with free thinking human beings, we are going to disagree with every single person on this planet on at least one subject. That doesn't mean I reject the person entirely. Just because I was an admirer of her work does not mean I must pretend to agree with what I would consider mistakes.
I find this manner of thinking to be quite counter-productive.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

56. I deeply admired Ruth Bader Ginsburg and appreciated every moment we had her on the Supreme Court.

[lostnfound]

58. Me too. Intrinsic value in addition to concrete value

An example of vitality far into old age. She worked very hard to stay healthy, as well. Not like some of the slovenly old fellows on the other side of the aisle.

[WA-03 Democrat]

61. RGB was great and human

In retrospect, I am sure she would have retired during Obama and a Democratic Senate. This would take the ability to know the future. Who here thought before 2014 that Russia would attack us and install Trump? Who here saw the rise of fascism in the United States? I used to take Democracy for granted. I did not see this coming and I don't anyone that did. Battles that we won with a ton of blood and treasure are having to fought again. Freedom is not free.

Seeing the future is hard and if you can let me know so we can plan a quick trip to Las Vegas and make a killing.

[Warpy]

64. Ginsburg was, among other things, a tough old lady who'd fought hard

all her life for her place in the legal profession. Having achieved what she did at the time she did it, she was not going to relinquish it for purely political reasons. I don't fault her for staying on the bench. I admire her for it, as ill as she was.

There is no way TFG should have been President. James FUCKING Comey threw him the presidency by fanning the flames of a fake Clinton scandal. He should forever live in infamy for that, sitting next to Benedict Arnold in opprobrium.

But Ginsburg? No. She hung on as long as she could. She fought for us until the end.

Thomas and Justice Beer Me are both vulnerable to investigation. I would hope such investigations are being done. Otherwise, we're going to have to start showing up at Democratic meet & greets and pressing them on increasing the number of justices. The present court is a religious tribunal. It should not stand.

[News Junkie]

66. I "admire" her career, but still "blame" her for not stepping down

It can be both, right?

[BannonsLiver]

86. Yes.

[Skittles]

125. YES

yes INDEED

[Celerity]

126. yes

[Hekate]

70. And here they all are

Crawling out of the woodwork to spit on her grave. All of them with the power of prognostication, and willing to lay the blame for our insane High Court squarely on the shoulders of — not Mitch McConnell or any of the GOP presidents who put assholes on the bench — but one woman who gave her life for truth and justice.

A Space-X launch woke me up, and I ask myself, why was my first action to drop by DU?

[Sympthsical]

73. Was President Obama wrong to try to convince her to retire?

And if he feels she should have, as we have learned in recent years, is President Obama spitting on her grave?

It's possible to admire someone and simultaneously feel they made a big mistake.

Why is everything all or nothing all of the time with people? It sounds so exhausting.

[Hekate]

75. Ego,hubris, fucked us all, it was all about her, rolled the dice, erases everything she accomplished

Are these rational critiques, Sympthsical?

Sounds more like “all or nothing” in condemnation.

[Sympthsical]

98. Except the reactions aren't allowing for rational critiques

All or nothing veneration. That's what's allowed.

I'm sorry, but no public figure in service to the people should be held up in such a way. If saying someone made a mistake is enough to trigger, some examination has to happen. To say that a human being in such a vaunted position wouldn't be capable of ego or hubris is hagiography instead of reflection.

I do not think the mistake eliminates all she did. She is too accomplished to have all that she's done overshadowed by one bad choice. However, it's not realistic to act as if that legacy did not gather some shadows by how it ended. I know a lot of women who feel that way given what followed. I, as a male, am not going to jump on them about how they're feeling. I'm certainly not going to lecture someone whose basic rights were stripped away at the end of a chain of events that included the foreseeable mistake. You didn't have to be psychic to understand the risks. You merely had to be ordinarily prescient.

People are pissed. RBG is getting maybe 1% of it. And maybe that's a rational percentage. Roe did not get overturned in a vacuum.

And saying so doesn't take away from the fact that she is one of the most accomplished American women we've ever had the good fortune to have.

[Atticus]

113. When you mention "all or nothing veneration" I wonder if you are including the OP. If so,

I have to ask if you read the OP, specifically the 4th paragraph.

If you were referring to other posts, I am fine with that.

It is your right to disagree with any post so long as you accurately characterize it.

[Upthevibe]

71. Atticus.......

.............Great post to generate an important discussion.

I adored RBG and have for many years. Her impact can't be "taken away". One needs only to google her list of accomplishments/decisions to understand how she influenced the direction of our country.

In addition to my gratefulness and my reverence for her, I'm also extremely disappointed that she chose not to retire. President Obama had a majority in the Senate in 2012, 2013, and 2014 (I'm only looking at the latest years we had control with President Obama). We lost the majority starting in 2015 (from the 11/14 election).

She FOR SURE should have retired after we lost control in the November, 2014 election for the session starting in 2015. I don't think the Republicans would have had any mechanisms to prevent an Obama nominee from going through.

We have to play chess! We can't take knives to a gun fight! I realize I'm using worn out idioms but (IMHO) they are completely on point.

[Torchlight]

82. I think what she accomplished in her lifetime intimidates a lot of people

Who are then forced into little more than vague accusations by those very accomplishments. Not nearly as rare as I once thought watching who tries to gather figs from thistles.

[BannonsLiver]

90. Well what Amy Coney Barrett accomplishes will probably kill people.

They have the seat, we have a cult of personality. Greaaaaaaat.

[BannonsLiver]

84. She stayed too long. The end.

[Emile]

97. I am a strong supporter for TERM LIMITS on the Supreme Court .

[liberal_mama]

106. With her health history of serious illnesses, she should have definitely retired.

Now we're screwed and Roe is gone. Who knows what else these Trump judges will do to us?

[Sky Jewels]

107. I totally admire her, but I will admit I'm pissed off she didn't retire at a safe time.

[Voltaire2]

108. Oddly enough I can both admire her and blame her for not resigning earlier.

What I don't do is engage in hero worship where certain people are above any criticism, as that is a fascist mindset.

[In It to Win It]

109. Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have foreseen she that would die just before the 2020 election

She almost made it, but it wasn't enough in the end.

If keeping her on life support was possible...

We could dream.

[Autumn]

118. No one could have foreseen an 87 year old woman dying from complications of metastatic

pancreatic cancer?? Really?

[In It to Win It]

119. ...before 2014, when we lost the Senate.

Since we are talking about the period of time she was pressured to retire.

[Autumn]

120. You used the 2020 election.

"No one could have foreseen she that would die just before the 2020 election"

[In It to Win It]

121. Yes. At the time Dems were pressuring her to retire, they could not have foreseen

that she would have died just before the 2020 election.

[Autumn]

122. At her age and her history of cancer that was an easy prediction. In December 2018,

she had two cancerous nodules removed from her lung.

[pnwmom]

130. It was amazing she hung on for as long as she did. Realistically, no one, including her,

should have counted on that.

[pnwmom]

129. LOTS of us foresaw it. She'd already had two cancers, including pancreatic --

which is very serious.

She even addressed this publicly, since so many were urging her to retire. She said she wasn't going to because she didn't think Obama would appoint anyone as good as she was. He got Sotomayor and Kagan through, but she didn't trust him to find a good replacement for her.

So, thanks to her ego, we ended up with one more far right Justice on the Supreme Court.

[Demsrule86]

112. I admire her, but she should have

resigned after we lost the House and before 2014 when we lost the Senate. Sadly much of her hard work will be undone by the criminal court we have now.

[Upthevibe]

114. Demsrule86...... I agree....

I think we had the Senate through 2014 but lost during the midterms in 11/14 with the new Republican led session starting in 2015.

A possibly incalculable amount of damage could be done because she didn't retire. I wish someone could have convinced her. Undoubtedly, woman and girls will die because of the overturning of Roe V. Wade....

[I_UndergroundPanther]

115. Ruth Bader

She is one of my heros. Period.
And her collar necklaces that reminded me of the coolness of egyptian art I loved seeing her in different ones. If I was in the
SC ,I'd continue Ruth's tradition and wear all kinds of funky collar necklaces and use her arguments and rulings as a reference on every decision.

[Coventina]

116. Saying that she was wrong doesn't negate the good things she did.

People are more than one thing.

I can say she was wrong about not retiring.

Doesn't mean I don't admire all the good she did.

[pnwmom]

131. No, but not retiring when she knew about her health issues DID negate the good things she did.

She helped pave the way for Amy Comey Barrett.

[treestar]

117. too many different factors

if she had lived just a little longer, Biden would have been President when she left us.

Then nobody would be saying this about her.

[Seeking Serenity]

123. I wasn't aware there was a list of people that Democrats

were required to admire.

[grantcart]

127. Risk vs Reward

Justice Ginsburg was a mature responsible adult that weighed the risk and reward of a decision.

The risk was great and the reward was personal and symbolic.

Clearly she made the wrong decision and it jeopardized an important principle for a personal vanity.

It does not however undermine any of her great accomplishments and I seriously doubt your allegation that there is a large number of people here who suggest that.

It does serve as an important lesson that we can all learn from to avoid the sentimental path and stick to advancing principle over personal interests.

In a similar vein any one who suffers from the kind of memory affliction that Senator Feinstein dies should not continue in office. We would ridicule it if a Republican did it and we should apply the same standard.

Personally I think that a 35 year old Ginsburg would have a much different take on the question than Justice Ginsburg did at the end of her life.

[pnwmom]

128. We knew she'd had cancer twice, and one bout was with very serious pancreatic cancer.

It was clear that we were going to lose the Senate, and that meant Obama wouldn't be able to get any good nominee through. The time to do that was in his first term, while we still controlled the Senate.

But she refused to retire, saying that she didn't think Obama would appoint anyone as good as she was. Apparently Sotomayor and Sagan weren't good enough for her.

[Raine]

132. I really don't have strong feeling about her one-way or the other. 🤔 nt