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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,036 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 05:07 AM Jan 2023

Dog shoots man: Kansas deputy finds 32-year-old hunter dead in his car / dog stepped on trigger

Dog shoots man: Kansas deputy finds 32-year-old hunter dead in his car and concludes his dog stepped on the trigger of his rifle in the back seat

A 32-year-old man from Wichita, Kansas, was hunting on Saturday near the village of Geuda Springs, 50 miles south of his hometown
The unnamed man was found dead in the front seat of his vehicle by Sumner County sheriffs, just north of the border with Oklahoma
Investigators concluded that the man's dog stepped on the rifle in the back seat of the car, which then fired, killing him

as hunter was found dead in his car on Saturday, with sheriffs concluding that he was killed when his dog stepped on the trigger of his rifle.

The unnamed man from Wichita was found near the hamlet of Geuda Springs, 50 miles south of Wichita and home to 194 people just north of the Oklahoma border.

Sheriffs believe he died at around 9:40am.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11669503/Dog-shoots-man-32-year-old-hunter-dead-car-sheriffs-concludes-dog-stepped-trigger.html
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Dog shoots man: Kansas deputy finds 32-year-old hunter dead in his car / dog stepped on trigger (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 OP
Natural Selection at it's Finest. Hopefully he hasn't bred yet. Woodswalker Jan 2023 #1
Karma, meet dogma. SergeStorms Jan 2023 #2
... Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #34
I know someone who's not getting a Scooby Snack tonight! nt Buns_of_Fire Jan 2023 #3
Karma, lots more people deserve a good dose of it. 👍nt Raine Jan 2023 #4
Was probably heeling. czarjak Jan 2023 #5
Why was the rifle loaded while it was in the back seat with the dog? Rhiannon12866 Jan 2023 #6
"responsible gun owners" do Skittles Jan 2023 #8
Apparently dead people do. TheBlackAdder Jan 2023 #29
If only there had been a good dog with a gun! TurboDem Jan 2023 #7
Time to arm the dogs! llmart Jan 2023 #9
Or dog the arms. calimary Jan 2023 #12
... Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #35
Dainty and girly but not one to mess around with!! 😆🥰 nt Raine Jan 2023 #45
Whoosa Good Boy! ToxMarz Jan 2023 #10
The only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog Emile Jan 2023 #11
+1 Native Jan 2023 #13
Handling guns responsibly PJMcK Jan 2023 #14
You know what the difference is between a dog and a gun? James48 Jan 2023 #15
At least we know Putler didn't do it. roamer65 Jan 2023 #16
Poor dog. panader0 Jan 2023 #17
Fortunately the dog is okay BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #18
I have no problem with people hunting, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #19
This exemplifies why I think "there are no gun accidents" Torchlight Jan 2023 #20
I know little about guns but in addition to being loaded didn't it have to be cocked or ratchiweenie Jan 2023 #21
Poor thing! tavernier Jan 2023 #22
There is always the possibility that the gun was not loaded when the man put it on the back seat. friend of a friend Jan 2023 #23
I followed this post from another post LPBBEAR Jan 2023 #24
SUV with back seat down? Conjuay Jan 2023 #25
No LPBBEAR Jan 2023 #27
Stock on back seat, barrel on center console: sl8 Jan 2023 #41
Oh Geez LPBBEAR Jan 2023 #44
Are you assuming that the victim put it there? nt sl8 Jan 2023 #46
If he didn't LPBBEAR Jan 2023 #47
The victim did everything wrong? What about the truck owner? Doesn't he get to share responsibilty? sl8 Jan 2023 #38
Extremely disappointing to see this accidental death cheered on here. My father and his family Celerity Jan 2023 #26
I agree wholeheartedly with you. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #30
It is not atypical sarisataka Jan 2023 #31
Most of the comments are about being irresponsible with a gun Coventina Jan 2023 #33
Was it the victim's gun? sl8 Jan 2023 #39
That was my understanding. Coventina Jan 2023 #40
100% great point Victor_c3 Jan 2023 #36
I don't think hunters from that period have the same sense for conservation as now. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #43
Guns don't kill people.... Dogs kill people. (n/t) MissMillie Jan 2023 #28
That's what gun racks are for. haele Jan 2023 #32
Give an idiot a gun, don't be surprised when they do something stupid with it. Initech Jan 2023 #37
It is a dog's god given right to shoot someone. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #42

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
2. Karma, meet dogma.
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 05:39 AM
Jan 2023

You can't make stuff like this up. Well, George Santos probably could. I'm sure it's happened to him on dozens of occasions.

Rhiannon12866

(205,903 posts)
6. Why was the rifle loaded while it was in the back seat with the dog?
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 06:38 AM
Jan 2023

Who keeps an unattended loaded gun lying around??

llmart

(15,552 posts)
9. Time to arm the dogs!
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 07:19 AM
Jan 2023

I think I'll sign Fido up for an NRA membership in honor of this brave dog hero.

PJMcK

(22,047 posts)
14. Handling guns responsibly
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 08:30 AM
Jan 2023

Aren’t you supposed to secure guns and ammunition when you store them?

This man was grossly irresponsible. He left a loaded rifle in the back of his vehicle (with the safety off?) with his dog. Dogs move around a lot in a car, you know. The weapon must have been pointed towards the front seat which also seems weird.

What a foolish man!

James48

(4,438 posts)
15. You know what the difference is between a dog and a gun?
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 08:58 AM
Jan 2023

In every state, a dog has to get its license renewed every year.

Torchlight

(3,360 posts)
20. This exemplifies why I think "there are no gun accidents"
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 12:45 PM
Jan 2023

is just another marketing slogan slicked up and sold to the consumer base.

ratchiweenie

(7,754 posts)
21. I know little about guns but in addition to being loaded didn't it have to be cocked or
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 04:13 PM
Jan 2023

have a safety off or something? Seems really stupid to me to put a loaded weapon that is ready to fire in the back seat with your dog.

tavernier

(12,396 posts)
22. Poor thing!
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jan 2023

He must have been terrified from the blast. Can you imagine how loud that would be? Poor pup. Some owners are just not meant to have pets.

 

friend of a friend

(367 posts)
23. There is always the possibility that the gun was not loaded when the man put it on the back seat.
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 04:23 PM
Jan 2023

Even "man's best friend" can get cranky now and then.

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
24. I followed this post from another post
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:55 AM
Jan 2023

I posted the following there.

There is a reason you leave a weapon unloaded until you actually are out of the vehicle and actively hunting. Also why the safety is supposed to be on when the weapon is loaded. Basic Hunter Safety rules. I don't hunt anymore and haven't for years but I remember those rules being drilled into us at the hunter safety class I was required to take as a teenager.

Everything about this incident sounds illogical. Loaded weapon, apparently a long gun, somehow pointing at a passenger or driver (in the front seat?) dog bouncing around the loaded weapon, safety off? Did hunters stop using rifle racks? (apparently not a truck) How does one manage to stash a rifle in the back seat of a vehicle so that it points at someone in the front seat and if it wasn't a truck with a rack why weren't the weapons stored in the trunk until actively stopped and hunting anyway? Just weird all around.

I feel sorry from the victims loved ones loss but the victim did absolutely everything wrong and the results, if not 100% predictable, were probable at some point in his hunting career.

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
27. No
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:31 AM
Jan 2023

Found a more local article stating it was a pickup truck. Pickup trucks with back seats are either king cabs or have a fold down front seat for access to the back. So no trunk for safe storage of the weapon and gear. Article also mentioned it was a rifle. So how does someone place a long gun in a back seat in a position that it shoots directly into the front seat? Did the victim actually stick a loaded weapon and all his other hunting gear on the floor in the back and maybe stand the rifle somewhat upright so that when it went off it was pointing forward? If the rifle was laying on the back seat it would seem the weapon would have discharged through a side panel, not towards the front seat. This story is just all around weird.

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
44. Oh Geez
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 05:05 AM
Jan 2023

He was asking for this to happen. I can't even imagine someone doing something that stupid.

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
47. If he didn't
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 02:21 PM
Jan 2023

he sure should have been aware of its presence there......especially since it was pointing right at him.

sl8

(13,864 posts)
38. The victim did everything wrong? What about the truck owner? Doesn't he get to share responsibilty?
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:33 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:04 AM - Edit history (3)

Celerity

(43,485 posts)
26. Extremely disappointing to see this accidental death cheered on here. My father and his family
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:18 AM
Jan 2023

hunt in northern Sweden. He comes over several times a year from London, and sometimes goes älg or wild game bird hunting.

Hunting is fairly widespread here, especially in the rural and northern areas. Would my father's accident death be cheered on here? Simply because he is a hunter, a human/hominid activity stretching back millions of years into our collective past?

Being a hunter is no way means you are automatically a RW POS (both of my parents are far, FAR from that!) nor do accidental hunting deaths deserve to automatically be celebrated.

SMDH

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,423 posts)
30. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:01 AM
Jan 2023

Some of the comments here are......well.......disappointing.

And that's all I have to say.

sarisataka

(18,755 posts)
31. It is not atypical
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:04 AM
Jan 2023

Many deaths are considered tragic. Some however are dismissed as karma or even fodder for humor. Ironically those latter incidents do not involve any criminal activity.

OTH an armed robber killed by a civilian in self-defense will be called a victim. The civilian will be condemned as "choosing" to be judge jury and executioner.

Coventina

(27,169 posts)
33. Most of the comments are about being irresponsible with a gun
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:58 AM
Jan 2023

This hunter was clearly not being a responsible gun owner.

What if he'd had a friend, or maybe a child with him that had been killed?
That would be grounds to charge him with manslaughter, or maybe negligent homicide.
Or, a wrongful death lawsuit by the family of the victim.

I don't see "cheers" about him being a hunter.

People are just sick of "responsible" gun owners being the cause of tragedies.
When it lands on their own heads, then, yeah, there is lack of sympathy.

I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not automatically against ALL hunting.
(Trophy hunting, and hunting anything endangered, or inedible, yes, I'm against that).

sl8

(13,864 posts)
39. Was it the victim's gun?
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:36 PM
Jan 2023

The truck & dog belonged to someone else, I haven't seen anything that says whose gun it was.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
36. 100% great point
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:03 PM
Jan 2023

I personally have no interest in hunting, but hunters can be great allies when it comes to matters of conservation. I do a lot of hiking and I’m certain I appreciate pristine forests and clean water just as much as a guy who hunts.

Here in the US, some of the first national parks were established by President Theodore Roosevelt in the early 1900’s - he was a guy that was an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

haele

(12,674 posts)
32. That's what gun racks are for.
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:07 AM
Jan 2023

I don't own a gun or a rifle, but even I know you don't just toss one in the back seat where a dog can get to it or a big pot-hole cause enough of a bump to fire it if the safety is off.
Which I suspect it was if the dog was able to step on it enough to fire the weapon.

Haele

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