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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust how deep does the rot go? Who here thinks that Trump did not know that the NYC's FBI field ...
... office with Charles McGonigal was on Putin's (Deripaska's) payroll in 2016? And who else was
aware of and or working the dirty FBI NYC office's connection to Russia? Comey, Rudy, Flynn, Stone,
Nunuz, Manafort, and or News Corp (Fox News)?
Every time Trump said "fake news" as per the connections between Trump and Russia he was lying.
Walleye
(31,039 posts)Botany
(70,567 posts).... Field Office. And didn't Rudy talk about big things coming out about HRC late in
the 2016 election and what was his connections to Charles McGonigal?
Walleye
(31,039 posts)peggysue2
(10,839 posts)McGonigal is most likely the tip of the spear guy in the NY office.
Saw a photo of him and his wife walking from (I think) a courtroom. Not happy campers. They know the gig is up. Time to start naming names!
Still amazes me how easily these professional men and women sold their souls for money. Or whatever.
Time to clean and santitize the stables!
2naSalit
(86,767 posts)Clean up is under way. They didn't just decide to arrest this guy yesterday, there was a lot of investigatin' goin' on before this.
niyad
(113,532 posts)Hekate
(90,779 posts)MLAA
(17,318 posts)Walleye
(31,039 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)Botany, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I think there are many observable by the general public curious connections in several senses over the last 30 years that could be tied to the rot. This was an enterprise, an influence game, a protection racket for influential people's private financial interests.
'nuff said.
Botany
(70,567 posts)... financial interests." Yup! And doesn't that seem like something that Trump and or Kushner
would be in on?
This is a big f'ing deal and, likely, the start of many interesting events in coming weeks and months.
Scrivener7
(50,993 posts)New York.
When Bragg dropped Pomerantz's case against tfg just as it was finishing up, sirens went off in my head. Tfg skating away yet again. And yes, I know Bragg says he has reopened the case. I'd bet my left arm that that investigation goes on for years and years and years, circling and circling and never going anywhere.
WmChris
(152 posts)Haven't heard any thing lately about the treasonous 8 who had the audacity to spend fourth of July in Moscow.
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,109 posts)It's dark and thick trapping many secrets needing to be freed.
malaise
(269,157 posts)in chief. He must be indicted
Botany
(70,567 posts).... of the biggest crime in America's history and all the more reasons why Trump was willing
to get behind a violent Coup in order to stay in power to avoid be caught. And BTW with Bill
Barr being A.G. with FBI under the DoJ's power did he know about the NYC's FBI Office and
Charles McGonigal being on Putin's payroll?
llmart
(15,552 posts)I used to know someone who worked in a field office in Virginia who was a low-level employee who told me that a lot of their agents despised Hillary. At the time I didn't know whether to believe her or not, but in hindsight now I do. I also remember some of my college professors who taught human resources classes always maintained that the clerical workers sometimes know a whole lot more of what is going on behind the scenes of an organization than anyone higher up suspects. This woman that told me this was in a clerical position. She said, "They (meaning the agents) think just because we're women and clerical that we are stupid."
SheilaAnn
(9,709 posts)Remember - it was Cassidy Hutchinson that gave us the true insight into what it was like in the oval office during the reign of the orange criminal.
SheilaAnn
(9,709 posts)Tree Lady
(11,484 posts)for justice dept in DC told her they are not Trump people. He says they are career people going for the truth. We can only hope that is true!
machoneman
(4,007 posts)Hey, some can dislike Hillary, Obama and now Biden. I get that. But pure hatred can turn formerly "honest brokers" of the law to nefarious moves like taking Russkie cash, leaking news to the media, throwing a wrench in Republican trials with lies, fake statements and more. Weeding out any institutionalized hatred for all things progressive (read: Democratic) will take time but more importantly, it will take a determined, years-long and serious effort to dump agents who exhibit such biases.
Walleye
(31,039 posts)Turns out it was all PR
Rebl2
(13,544 posts)refused to allow any of secret service people that protected tfg to be the agents that protected him and his family, that was a clue. How do we know there arent fbi agents that dislike Biden as well and that they arent the ones finding the secret documents. True the first people to find documents were his lawyers. After that it has been fbi agents at his home finding them. How can we trust that they arent corrupt agents planting them.
Lonestarblue
(10,053 posts)They looked at Illinois specifically and found that Kremlin-linked hackers attempted to alter or delete information from voting systems' databases. This was before the election. After Trump won, the FBI said that the election had not been compromiaed by Russia, but given what we have been learning about Russian influence on at least some in the FBI, was that the case in 2016?
After the 2016 election, most states beefed up their elections systems to help thwart future cyberattacks, and we saw no evidence reported of such attacks for the 2020 election. To me, the 2016 election still remains questionable in terms of whether Russia was able to change enough data to affect the outcome. I doubt we will ever know now because I dont think it was investigated in the closing days of the Obama administration, and if any investigation had been stated Trump would have shut it down immediately.
The hackers reportedly gained access to Illinois' voter database, which included names, date of births, gender and partial social security numbers of nearly 15 million people. Around 90,000 records were found to be successfully compromised.
Although the attacks are believed to have failed to effectively tamper with the US presidential election, one former senior US official expressed concerns about Russia now having the opportunity to build on their knowledge of US voting systems before the next presidential election. Officials reportedly indicated that it is highly likely that Moscow could use this knowledge for further targeted attacks.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russian-hackers-hit-voting-systems-39-us-states-before-2016-election-1626157
Scrivener7
(50,993 posts)Facebook, Alfa Bank, Russian orphans, Oleg Deripaska, Paul Manafort, money laundering real estate, etc, etc, etc, that was going on in 2016.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Putin was scared to death of Hillary.
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Tetrachloride
(7,865 posts)CousinIT
(9,256 posts)onecaliberal
(32,888 posts)rubbersole
(6,723 posts)Say it ain't so! Who is Leonard Leo's boss?
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)all the way to the earth's core.
which is why I maintain that we will be generations rooting it out and hopefully making it right.
AllaN01Bear
(18,359 posts)lie . cheat. steal. distract. deflect. sputter sputt sputt, my late mom said of them.
Walleye
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Botany
(70,567 posts)... the Fed. Super Max in Colorado. If the espionage using those documents was at the level it
might have very well been at we need to remember that America has had 3 people @ that level.
The Rosenbergs which were executed and the former FBI agent Robert Hansen who is now serving
15 life terms @ the Super Max in Colorado.
The man who was in charge of the FBI's look into Russia's rat fucking our elections was ON PUTIN'S
PAYROLL.
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Botany
(70,567 posts)... now we have our satellites over Russia/Ukraine region and even though Vlad invaded in 2022 after
Trump was gone from office but I have no doubt he tipped Vlad off on a lot of "that stuff." I have a
family member who worked with that stuff and even though he longer does that kind of work he can
be put in jail for just talking about what he knows about our spy satellites.
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Ponietz
(3,004 posts)A Russian energy lawyer, Christopher Wray, is FBI Director.
Can anyone believe this guy, one of Trumps first and most important nominees, is uncompromised?
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Hassler
(3,389 posts)Yes, and why is he allowed to roam free? His dirty fingers are in all of this. Also, Pinhead Stone.