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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Narcissism of the Angry Young Men
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/lost-boys-violent-narcissism-angry-young-men/672886/No paywall
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Some years ago, I got a call from an analyst at the National Counterterrorism Center. After yet another gruesome mass shooting (this time, it was Dylann Roofs attack on a Bible-study group at a Black church in Charleston, South Carolina, that killed nine and wounded one), I had written an article about the young men who perpetrate such crimes. I suggested that an overview of these killers showed them, in general, to be young losers who failed to mature, and whose lives revolved around various grievances, insecurities, and heroic fantasies. I called them Lost Boys as a nod to their arrested adolescence.
The NCTC called me because they had a working group on countering violent extremism. They had read my article and they, too, were interested in the problem of these otherwise-unremarkable boys and young men who, seemingly out of nowhere, lash out at society in various ways. We think youre on to something, the analyst told me. He invited me to come down to Washington and discuss it with him and his colleagues.
The meeting was held in a classified environment so that the groups members, representing multiple intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, could more easily share ideas and information. (I was a government employee at the time and held a clearance.) But we could have met in a busy restaurant for all it matteredthe commonalities among these young men, even across nations and cultures, are hardly a secret. They are man-boys who maintain a teenagers sharp sense of self-absorbed grievance long after adolescence; they exhibit a combination of childish insecurity and lethally bold arrogance; they are sexually and socially insecure. Perhaps most dangerous, they go almost unnoticed until they explode. Some of them open fire on their schools or other institutions; others become Islamic radicals; yet others embrace right-wing-extremist conspiracies.
I emerged from the meeting with a lot of interesting puzzle pieces but no answers. Since then, there have been more such attacks, more bodies, more griefbut precious little progress on preventing such incidents. A few recent examples: In 2021, a 15-year-old boy murdered four of his fellow students in his Michigan high school. In 2022, an 18-year-old man carried out a massacre in a Texas school; another, the same age, committed a mass murder in a grocery store in upstate New York. A 21-year-old male attacked a Fourth of July parade in Illinois. A 22-year-old went on a rampage at an LBGTQ nightclub in Colorado.
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samnsara
(17,622 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)A lot of Western Society, especially the United States, was built on the backs of the very violence that these men are examples of. Think of how Cowboys are glamourized, and the fact that they were often killers, rapists and thieves is whitewashed, pun meant. There is a reason the NRA is so powerful, and it is because a pillar of our culture is the idea that a man, or his favorite woman, can shoot up people they don't like.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)
. of the violent (
the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat
) good old boy racist but Bible thumping misogynist.
I swear it feels like Im living at Ground Zero.
Including Republican documented pedophile at their County Fair booth and reported going door to door for fake audit, the new Republican County Commissioner (in Couys District) is married to a documented pedophile and she was cited for animal cruelty.
Several of us mature women have been harassed by misogynist Couy Griffin. When I reported, with 3 videos over a 7 minute period, how he and a friend of his attempted to block my car from leaving, crickets from law enforcement.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)The romanticizing of the mafia has done harm too. As if there's something noble about a group of parasites who don't want to work, but rather want to rob and steal from people who do work.
And don't get me started on the movie Scarface. That movie is seen as a how to manual for a segment of society when it's about a disgusting sociopath who does nothing but screw over those around him to get to the top of the drug business.
Elessar Zappa
(14,004 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2023, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)
and Ive never harmed anyone let alone kill someone. Its not the movies, its not the music, its not the video games, its not mental health, its the widespread availability of guns!
Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)I thought to myself, "This show is normalizes the Mafia."
I don't think I was wrong.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Tumbulu
(6,291 posts)genxlib
(5,528 posts)The (supposedly) aggrieved feel powerless and seek to find a source of power.
Deadly weapons gives them the ultimate power over others.
Whatever the underlying grievance is, the ultimate exercise of power through deadly force is the common bond.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)We all, at one time, especially adolescence, feel downtrodden and powerless. But rather than doing the hard, time-consuming adult things to earn power, respect, community recognition, etc; things like studying, working diligently and reliably, forging fruitful, lasting relationships, these impatient, demanding kids decide to move things along, comfortable with awful consequences now rather than good outcomes in a nebulous, ill-defined future.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)Toxic masculinity has been on the increase for decades, leaving behind those males who do not feel they meet the "mark." For them, their world is all resentment and finding scapegoats for those who supposedly have left them behind, making them victims.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)duhneece
(4,113 posts). because of economic, religious, cultural restraints, those lowest of low men fail to look at what they themselves need to change in order for women to like them.
Such an important distinction!
jmbar2
(4,890 posts)Triggered by the passing of David Crosby...
For all of the narcissism of the 60s, hippie culture offered social acceptance to many young people, and a movement that was bigger than ourselves. For me, it was an utterly magical time.
I keep hoping that today's young folks will create some sort of positive social movement like that.
Occupy Wallstreet came close...
Perhaps the closest we have right now is Ukraine, where young men are fighting and dying for Democracy. What are your thoughts?
PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)young men are fighting and dying.
Just turned 70 several days ago. Many ways have never left that era.
dlk
(11,569 posts)The rugged individualist myth runs deep in our culture.
Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)albacore
(2,399 posts)These guys aren't getting laid. And their personalities/angers/insecurities are going to keep them from getting laid.
Frustration leads to anger which leads to violence.
It might be tempered somewhat by sex, but they're so repugnant to women that it's not gonna happen.
Witness the Proud Boys sex pledge...
I remember way back in the old days, when coaches told their players no sex or jacking off for two days before a game.
They felt that the "release" didn't keep them all wound up and agressive during the impending game ahead..... LOL
housecat
(3,121 posts)winner gets the girls. What happens to the losers, the rejects? Male animals seem to have a winner-take-all and a loser-loses-all society. Is there a parallel with human males? No doubt serial losing can lead to self-hatred, which I imagine mass murderers suffer from. (probably applies to magat politicians as well)
jmbar2
(4,890 posts)..the extraneous young men are encouraged to leave the community to reduce competition for the women. It always seemed cruel.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Disfunctional I'd guess. Drunk parents, who constantly bickered and belittled each other and the kids. Single Moms, working long hours and no Dad/Uncle figure to praise and encourage. No art or music lessons. No emphasis on success in school. No trips to museums, libaries, camping. Loners and outcasts in school. Very sad
Warpy
(111,277 posts)When puberty hits, a lot of young males discover a toxic male culture and if they're not the main bullies, they're the sidekicks. Some do manage to outgrow it. The rest will always gravitate toward other men. If they're deeply phobic, they'll use women as orifices and devices to cook and clean, but will never see them as people. It's why so many of them have terrible histories with girlfriends. Others simply despise women and consider them distractions from the True Cause, whatever that is.
Billy Joel wrote a wonderfully cynical song about the 70s version, the guys who could quote the Manifesto but who wanted to beat other people down rather than do the hard work to lift them up. The lyrics have changed slightly, this one is SFW:
Sky Jewels
(7,113 posts)It focuses on floundering U.S. men (of all ages) and their violence and anger and poor performance and malaise and inability to adapt to modern society.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/30/whats-the-matter-with-men
BlueSky3
(514 posts)says that blaming toxic masculinity, guns, or anything else wont help. He feels the greatest problem is the entitlement and narcissism that these men carry. He says their development has been arrested in their teen years when they should have grown out of it.
But he also says they all want revenge on society for not granting them the power and status they think they deserve from simply having been born male. He doesnt suggest ways to fix it only that we need to talk about it. Hmmm
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Hekate
(90,714 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)Thank you.