House passes resolution denouncing socialism, vote splits Democrats

[Swede]

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[Boomerproud]

1. Kabuki theatre. Do something that is in the PUBLIC INTEREST.

Of course, that's not in their wheelhouse.

[GreenWave]

2. Fine. Denounce air pollution, water pollution, Wall Street racketeering, pension thievery, etc.

[GoCubsGo]

3. Got to wonder if that split was by design.

I'm thinking the GOPers are mighty confused right now. They probably don't know which pre-planned talking point to use.

As one of the Democrats (McGovern?) pointed out yesterday, this vote was all for show, anyway. Nothing but the sort of political theater we are going to be stuck with for the next two years.

[Javaman]

4. Fine. Now they can give up their free healthcare too.

Shown-boating assholes

[Midnight Writer]

5. The GOP is the Party of Stunts. It is all they have.

[emulatorloo]

6. How does this fix inflation?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

7. Social Security and FDIC are not examples of "socialism"

despite this and similar memes that make the rounds here on DU.

What's true is too many Americans have no clue what socialism is and that's partially due to deliberate disinformation and claims that roads, schools, police and fire services, and social programs are "socialism."

It is a sad state of affairs when far-left disinformation mirrors that of the right.

[Caliman73]

13. Thank you.

That proves the point of the meme, but not in the way that the person who posted intended. The average American absolutely has NO CLUE what Socialism is. Social Welfare programs are not Socialism. Socialism is about WHO controls THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. It has nothing to do with providing public benefits. Do the workers control the factories where they work, by means of a co-op, a public corporate structure, a state sponsored industry, etc...? if not, then we aren't talking about Socialism.

It is the fact that most people do not have any idea what Socialism entails, and only equate the Soviet Union and China with Socialism, that makes it possible for right wingers to do something like this.

[Hortensis]

8. Good grief. Not looking to see what horrors the RW traitors' caucus packed this with.

Otoh, most of the socialist left has been deceiving people that Europe's capitalism-funded government programs (like our VA) are examples of socialism. So voting for this may also be promoted to those who believe that as being against Social Security. Or roads and schools like we already have, as Senator Sanders soothingly described socialism while running for president.



That'd encourage the spit they're after. Watch this channel for upcoming events.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

9. Liberal democracies depend on having educated populaces.

Too many on the extremes have a vested interest in spreading disinformation, and falsehoods for their own ends.

[Hortensis]

10. Umhm. I was remembering the SDA as it was before

this crazy, anxious era when political factionalists started pouring in (analogous I guess to RW factionalists flooding religious congregations). I think LW influencers had already set about redefining socialism as merely a nicer way of obtaining what we already have.

But I used to read occasional essays by SDA leaders. They know what socialism is (!) and believe in the real thing. They also used to be open that the ultimate goal of democratic socialism, after the prescribed easing into it, was progression to a socialized state, with socialized ownership and control of industry. The real thing.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

11. Obfuscation seems like the new operating principle.

I believe it is called "re-framing" by the practitioners.

[Hortensis]

12. "Frame" being a basic foundational understanding

so strongly accepted that it need not be questioned. Yes. And this particular pernicious reframing's everywhere those who search on the word socialism look.

Lol, just remembered when a coworker's basic "frame" about liberalism was so screwed that she tried to lend me one of Ann Coulter's books smearing liberals -- so I could understand what was wrong with us too. She meant well.

Oh, well. The realities of socialism that make "reframing" necessary is the reason socialism will fail. We'll just have continue to make needed changes and creating additional social benefits under our current system.