Why Motherfucker hasn't been charged with obstruction - my wild ass theory

[Aviation Pro]

There’s been a lot of talk about why Bloated Tick has not been charged with obstruction with regards to the documents investigation. My take, AG Garland and SC Smith are swinging for the fences with the goal of permanently removing this cluster of shit cells from society so his visage is forgotten. That means indicting him with charges that will eviscerate his existence. To charge him with obstruction will raise the specter of putting that ‘poor’ man through enough and leave that the only law he’ll be indicted for. This will end up with some slap-on-the-wrist sentence and more evidence for the cult that this walking shitstain was wronged and at the same time invincible.

On the other hand, if the sword of justice comes down heavy on his barking yam head, we may see him locked away at ADX Florence for the rest of his miserable, fucking life in an 8x12 cell for 23 hours a day.

That would be sweet justice at least for the kids who he locked up in pens.

My dos centavos.

[MLAA]

1. Fingers crossed and hoping.

[gab13by13]

2. If that's the reason, it's a piss poor one.

That was one of the reasons that DOJ used to not indict Trump (individual one) in the Stormey Daniels case. How did that work out? It was a slam dunk case and the federal statute of limitations has expired.

When will people realize that Trump's strategy is to delay everything?

The penalty for obstruction of justice is not a slap on the wrist.

[Aviation Pro]

3. For a first time offender?

It will not bring the closure necessary and be more akin to putting him in Hitler’s category for monsters going to prison and then resuming their stated goals.

[GopherGal]

7. Two Words: Martha Stewart

IIRC, she was ultimately sentence for obstruction of justice. Looking it up, she seems to have gotten 5 months. Not exactly a slap on the wrist, but she has seemingly mounted a successful "comeback".

[Duppers]

24. Exactly!

TY!

[fightforfreedom]

5. Once again, The individual 1 case was an SDNY investigation sabotaged by Barr.

SDNY could have reopened their own case after Barr and Trump left office. They don't need permission. That's what Bragg did in Manhattan. Blame SDNY if you going to blame someone.

It is nothing personnel when I call your posts out. I do it because you keep repeating misinformation. I am just trying to point them out to you.

You have blamed Garland for not reopening the Mueller investigation.

You have blamed Garland for not reopening the SNDY investigation.

You have attacked Garland because in your opinion he should be moving faster the J6 committee and the Georgia investigation.

You have blamed Garland for moving too slowly in the secret document invention and are now saying that killed people?

You posts constantly blame Garland for everything you don't agree with. Garland is not the bad guy. Trump is.

[Ocelot II]

26. Thank you.

[Ocelot II]

4. My theory is that Smith will present all possible charges

for a single bill of indictment. In other words, all crimes the prosecution thinks are supportable will be charged at the same time rather than by piecemeal indictments. That way the comprehensive indictment seems to have more weight, and a single trial on all charges is more likely to result in guilty verdicts on at least some of them - which would be a better outcome than a possible acquittal following a trial on just one of the charges. When you throw the book at someone it should be a single very large volume, not a bunch of cheap paperbacks.

[Volaris]

8. I concour with your theory; they're gonna charge him with everything possible,

And then watch his legal team fuck themselves trying to defend all of it, all at once.

[teach1st]

10. Would a RICO prosecution work in this regard?

I'm not fluent in legal matters, but I understand that RICO prosecutions are difficult. Would such an investigation serve to connect a possible charges and bring Stone, Flynn, etc?

[Ocelot II]

14. Depends on what kind of evidence they have - RICO applies to certain financial crimes,

specifically those involving racketeering, which is a type of organized crime involving a fraudulent or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme to regularly collect a profit. TFG is widely believed to have had mob connections in the past but I don't know whether RICO would apply to his more recent endeavors through the Trump Org.

[teach1st]

18. Thanks for the clarification, Ocelot II!

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. I agree.

It makes sense to announce all charges at once. There's drama in that, so it'll make a strong impression.

[Walleye]

6. We need to set up a special prison, where the guards are all secret service agent

[Volaris]

9. If he gets house arrest for the rest of his life, I'm good with it...

As long as he's banned from any outside communication, the govt can seize maralago, use it as his prison/library, and then brick over his precious golf greens with the names of the covid dead as a memorial.

[Walleye]

11. I would be satisfied with that

[MyOwnPeace]

21. LOL! Check out today's 'Doonesbury........

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2023/02/12

[Walleye]

23. Oh that's great, thanks !

[dweller]

12. I don't care what they get him for

As long as he is shivved on a regular basis …


✌🏻

[Buckeyeblue]

13. I think they are concerned about the what happens if there is an acquittal or hung jury

With a "normal" defendant the evidence is presented and the verdict is the verdict. But with a former president it's different, especially when the DOJ is being run by an AG who was appointed by a political opponent.

The risks are that an acquittal gives the accused a platform to become even more popular than they were before.

The other concern is that this is uncharted territory. A former president has never been indicted. If he is indicted, what will happen? How will the country react? Will it do more harm to the country in the long run? Are you really prepared to send a former president to prison if you get a guilty verdict?

I'm just imagining how this situation is weighing on the DOJ. And you can make similar arguments if they don't move forward with indictments.

It's a really shitty situation. I hate Trump for many things. This is just one of them.

[fightforfreedom]

15. Good post.

[TreasonousBastard]

20. Excellent points--getting to the bese of it all. If...

an ex-President in indicted, prosecutors have to win or his political base will just be incited to carry on. This is partly legal but mostly political
.
Too bad Ford pardoned Nixon so we don't have any guidance from the past.

[MyOwnPeace]

22. BIG help in putting us where we are now.......

'Too bad Ford pardoned Nixon.....'

THAT allowed others to think that the worst that could happen to them would be to 'leave in disgrace' (if they even agree to 'leave!') and still get pardoned. Ford could have pardoned Nixon AFTER he had been tried. We would then have a 'court record' and Jerry could still feel he'd been 'respectful' to the disgraced crook.

[Chainfire]

17. Or, he may just die in his own bed.

I am focused on what is, not what might be.

Charging him with obstruction today does not prevent charging him with higher crimes in the future.

[Ocelot II]

27. Smothered by Malaria with a MyPillow?

[Chainfire]

28. I will accept any method that is appropriate. It looks like, by now, God would have given him a

big dose of dead, but I guess he is still gathering evidence too.

[Easterncedar]

19. A heart for "barking yam head."

Funny and true!

[bedazzled]

25. Oh yeah! What a perfect name!

Haven't a heart though

[Silent3]

29. I don't understand the supposed logic of ignoring lesser charges while working on more complex...

...or difficult charges.

If the DoJ is truly being apolitical, not merely strenuously avoiding things that might be misperceived as political, then concerns about people saying, "why are you going after Trump for something minor like this?" should vanish. Get him for what you can now, and keep investigating other charges while Trump is already locked up in jail.

There are, I understand, some evidentiary matters that get more complicated after someone has been indicted, where the DoJ might have to share more with Trump's lawyers sooner than they'd like -- but, come on, is the case against Trump so flimsy that giving his defense a head start is really such a big problem?