DeSantis says maybe Florida can do without College Board, AP classes and SAT test

[Nevilledog]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article272474953.html

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Tens of thousands of Florida high school students take Advanced Placement courses every year to have a competitive edge heading into college.

Now, Gov. Ron DeSantis says he wants to reevaluate the state’s relationship with the private company that administers those courses and the SAT exam. The move comes after the College Board accused DeSantis’ administration of playing politics when it rejected an Advanced Placement African American Studies course.

“This College Board, like, nobody elected them to anything,” DeSantis said at a news conference Monday in Naples. “They are just kind of there, and they provide a service and so you can either utilize those services or not.”

While DeSantis acknowledged the College Board has long had a relationship with the state, he said “there are probably other vendors who may be able to do that job as good or maybe even a lot better.”

Florida has long had a strong connection with the College Board. The state pays for students to take Advanced Placement exams, and provides bonuses to teachers whose students perform well.

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[TheBlackAdder]

28. My children's degrees, as well as mine, are getting more valuable by the day. Thanks Red States.

[Igel]

31. My school had no AP classes.

And yet I got into a really good undergrad school.

They're a leg-up, but if they're not available they're not available and the colleges still want the best and brightest. Consider this a "disadvantage" to be remediated by some corrective in the application.

[underpants]

2. So a Republican Board and classes?

This could be the new Massive Resistance

[Jilly_in_VA]

3. Wonderful /s

A stupid, uneducated population is just what he wants.

[msongs]

4. he can hire the KKK to run his college board type programs. nt

[Ocelot II]

5. So Florida high school kids won't be able to get into any colleges except those in Florida,

which will have been so dumbed down and ideologically castrated that their graduates will be stuck running the deep dryer at a Chik-Fil-A or mowing lawns at The Villages.

[onethatcares]

6. prospective college "and how did you score on the SAT?"

prospective student of said college, "I didn't take them. My governor said the're not needed"

prospective college, "Next"

[jimfields33]

11. Actually a lot of universities are not requiring SAT scores anymore all over the country

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/act-and-sat-no-longer-required-college-admissions/

[mdelaguna]

14. This. Ironic that DeSantis took this on, sort of been a progressive issue

[jimfields33]

19. So true.

[EleanorR]

25. He's not "taking on an issue", he's threatening a co. that won't kow-tow to him

He did the same with Disney and that DA he fired. Speak out against me and I'll take you down. There's no other thought or philosophy or belief system behind his threat. It's classic trump republicanism.

[spanone]

34. ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆

Yes EleanorR

[Hekate]

7. Every despots dream: an uneducated populace to propagandize. Keep 'em dumb & dumber.

I feel very sorry for the Floridians who don’t have an escape hatch and can’t afford to get out.
I salute every Floridian who chooses to stay and fight this horror.

[Caliman73]

8. I am not very high on the College Board either...

but not for the reasons DeSantis is giving. He is a right wing idiot who understands full well the value of AP classes. He is banking on the ignorance of others, which unfortunately, is not a very risky bet in Florida.

The College Board waffling on AP African American History, and the "racket" aspect of the College Board and SAT on gate keeping is what I don't like.

If there were other services that performed as well as the College Board however, they would have already been known. Right now the College Board and their AP classes are the standard for students who want to receive the beginnings of University level education in High School and who want to get a leg up on Tuition by completing University level requirements prior to going.

DeSantis wants education to simply be another arm of propaganda for Conservatism because as I have said many times, left to our own devices, we realize that we do not need Conservative ideology, that it's dictates do not comport with reality, and the only way it survives is because people with money and power, want to maintain it through promotion of the stupid ideology that tried to protect Monarchy and feudalism as a form of government.

[mdelaguna]

16. Me too.

Students could save $ taking community college courses later (summers, e.g.). Some AP courses have high school students laboring til midnight with homework and for what? All AP courses don’t necessarily transfer 1 on 1 to college. Prestige I guess. But plenty of R1 top tier public universities will accept students with good records, statements, references, other accolades, no AP credits, and no SATs, the latter set up so that f you can hire a tutor you can score much higher.

[Caliman73]

27. Totally with you on the SAT.

SO much weight was given to a test that if you could just pay the several hundred dollars needed to learn how to take the test, the actual knowledge needed to be in University was almost irrelevant. I knew some folk who were not the brightest, who had average grades, but who took the prep courses and got high SAT who got into, but then actually dropped out of University because they could not handle the workload.

I actually took AP courses in high school, more than 30 years ago. I remember some late nights, but then again, I had late nights at university as well. For me, the AP courses gave me some preparation for the rigors of university work. A lot of independent work, unlike regular high school classes which gave busy work and weren't as challenging or informative. AP courses actually helped me to graduate 2 quarters early with the credits I was able to transfer for English, Foreign language, History, and Chemistry.

I have a problem with the "racket" aspect and the SAT being pretty useless in predicting success at University.

Ron DeSantis, has none of those problems. His only problem is that the College Board won't create bullshit conservative propaganda curriculum (at least, yet), so that he can try to indoctrinate students into that ridiculous ideology.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. My daughter graduation from a Top 45 College, with a double major in 2.5 years.

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She had AP courses, but here real savings was that the college she chose accepted county college credits, even after being matriculated.

She chose Spring admission, and went to county college in the Fall. Then she took her college's approved county college courses in the Summer too. All county classes were pre-approved by her college, and she got that in writing (important because they tried to renege on a couple, which would have kicked her to a new semester, but she had the paperwork). They accepted all of them and poof, a $60K year school 4 year school was cut to 2.5 years. But the icing on the cake was that she applied to two other competing universities in our state, one public and one private. The private one offered her a grant of $18K/year to be competitive with the state school. She took that grant letter to her college and they matched it.

The county courses were $300 per credit versus $3000.

Now her degree, with room and board, was $42K x 2.5 or $105K, versus $240K if she did nothing.


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She was junior class president for a grade level of 900 kids.

When she graduated the book listed her county college as her school and some classmates were confused, others laughed and others listened. She said what her plan was. A couple of years later, those that mocked her told her how sorry they were as they were up to their eyeballs in debt and didn't know if they could afford the rest of school to graduate. They wish they listened to her.

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[Igel]

32. Dual credit's the current rage.

One school NW of my district has a campus where a high-school senior can graduate with an A.A. degree because of all the dual credit classes available.

Not sure about my high school. Chem, Bio, Physics, US Hist, English, a few others are offered, but I don't know about math or if they have the other requirements covered.

[gatomedianoche]

9. Ignorance is strength

In Orwell’s 1984, Ignorance is Strength means that Big Brother, DeSantis in this case, needs people to be unthinking and ignorant relying only on what Big Brother says. Will Florida end up like Ohio and have a network of homeschooling where Nazi ideology is taught?

[Fullduplexxx]

10. More revenge politics from little baby

The move comes after the College Board accused DeSantis’ administration of playing politics when it rejected an Advanced Placement African American Studies course.

[czarjak]

12. Smart, educated people appoint these boards generally and are anything but democratic processes.

[peggysue2]

13. And this is why DeSantis must be stopped

What he's doing in Florida is what he and his cronies would attempt to do nationwide.

Controlling education, banning books, diminishing critical-thinking skills of students is straight out of the Fascist Handbook.

He who controls the minds of children controls the future.

DeSantis is telling us who and what he is.

A tyrant.

[lindysalsagal]

15. How much damage to the state will his voters tolerate? Are they ready to drop out of

the real world entirely?

[Raftergirl]

17. My kid took zero AP courses, just honors courses and Physics at a community college,

He was accepted into every college he applied to and attended a top 25 LAC - which has been test optional since 1984.

My kid did submit his test scores because they were pretty good, but a long running study his college has done have showed very little difference between students who submitted and students who were non submitters in college GPA and in graduation rates.

The rigor of your high school classes (of the classes available) and your high school GPA are more indicative of how one will do in college.

Here is link to the study:

https://www.bates.edu/news/2005/10/01/sat-study/

[Celerity]

24. Bates is a great college, so many of those New England small liberal arts schools are national gems

Amherst College
Bates College
Bowdoin College
Colby College
Connecticut College
Hamilton College
Middlebury College
Trinity College
Tufts University
Wesleyan University
Williams College

etc etc

[Raftergirl]

33. Yep. NESCAC all great schools.

Bates was founded by abolitionists and was co-ed from its founding, Has a long tradition of egalitarianism.

Kid got a great education and he loved his years at Bates. His eduction has served him very well.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. This will definitely put a dent in his popularity.

As crazy as Rick Scott is with Social security and Medicare.
I think De Santis is overreaching and it will destroy him.

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. The new Florida state song:

[Johonny]

21. there are probably other vendors who may be able to do that job

Nothing like doing the research first, huh?

[Mariana]

22. "... who may be able to do that job as good ..."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. Putting the duh in Floriduh

Maybe he feels being able to pay high tuition is the only necessary requirement. Higher tuition for Florida colleges is the next step.

[ecstatic]

26. and yet idiots will still refer to democrats as the "big government" party

Look at what the qOP is doing??? Probing vaginas and uteruses, forcing children to give birth, forcing middle aged / senior citizens to give birth, demanding menstrual cycle details, silencing private corporations, demanding that white supremacists be allowed to post on private social platforms, retaliating against private corporations who don't jump when they say to jump. Banning books, banning history, banning gays, banning trans... Blocking votes, tossing votes, ignoring free and fair elections.... lying to voters with absolute impunity (Hi, George).

At what point will Americans and everyone involved wake TF up? This is unsustainable!

[spanone]

30. Well, he brought Disney to it's knees, why not education?

MotherFucker