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(86,006 posts)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:18 PM Feb 2023

DOJ 'Seriously Considering' Charges Against Donald Trump: Barb McQuade

Barb McQuade @BarbMcQuade Feb 13
Mike Pence subpoena suggests DOJ is getting close to completing its investigation. I’ll discuss with @juliemason at 6:45 am ET on @SIRIUSXM #POTUS Channel 124.

Barbara McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor and a former U.S. attorney said that subpoenaing Pence to testify under oath is a key step for prosecutors, while also setting up yet another showdown with regard to executive privilege.

"It signals that DOJ is seriously considering criminal charges against Trump for January 6," McQuade told Newsweek. "While it does not mean charges are a certainty, DOJ would not take such a significant step as subpoenaing a former VP if they thought the case was unlikely to result in charges.

"It also suggests that charges are close. Prosecutors typically question the top witnesses at the end of the investigation after they have learned as much as they can about the facts."


Pres. Biden has already declined to invoke executive privilege after a number of Trump allies, including former White House adviser Steve Bannon and ex-White House trade adviser Peter Navarro refused to comply with their subpoenas issued to them by the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 attack.

"Biden will decline, I am sure, and if it goes to court, I think Trump will lose based on the court's earlier decision that Trump could not use executive privilege to block the National Archives from producing documents to the Jan 6 Committee," McQuade said.

read: https://www.newsweek.com/doj-considering-charges-against-donald-trump-mike-pence-1780795

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DOJ 'Seriously Considering' Charges Against Donald Trump: Barb McQuade (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2023 OP
I am getting to the point that these claims that charges are right around the corner.... TheRealNorth Feb 2023 #1
I'd take issue with wherever you heard that bigtree Feb 2023 #5
How many times have I heard this? Bobstandard Feb 2023 #2
I don't know. Where did you hear the opinion that the VP subpoena would be one of the last moves bigtree Feb 2023 #6
Here's an idea: announce everything this Thursday! Auggie Feb 2023 #3
Can't wait malaise Feb 2023 #4
Where have I heard claudette Feb 2023 #7
I don't know bigtree Feb 2023 #8
I meant claudette Feb 2023 #10
that's not actually a credible argument against the reasoning offered here bigtree Feb 2023 #12
We'll see claudette Feb 2023 #15
We reelly, reelly, reelly mean it this time. Baitball Blogger Feb 2023 #9
that's this legal pundit's opinion bigtree Feb 2023 #11
Barbara McQuade comes on when Joyce Vance isn't available. gab13by13 Feb 2023 #13
Well, that's wonderful. Aristus Feb 2023 #14
what? bigtree Feb 2023 #16

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
1. I am getting to the point that these claims that charges are right around the corner....
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:22 PM
Feb 2023

Are about as credible as claims by MAGATS that TFG's reinstallation into power is imminent.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
5. I'd take issue with wherever you heard that
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:30 PM
Feb 2023

...and ask where the evidence is of those claims.

In this case Barb McQuade notes the subpoena of the VP at this stage in the investigation, of a high profile target or subject, signals the end game in this process.

Comparing this attorney's view about a progressing investigation, complete with two separate grand juries hearing testimony and viewing evidence, to MAGA is some really off the wall shit.

Bobstandard

(1,328 posts)
2. How many times have I heard this?
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:22 PM
Feb 2023

I’m not holding my breath.

I think the issue Rachel raised re the attack that will come if an indictment is brought will cause Garland to pass.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
6. I don't know. Where did you hear the opinion that the VP subpoena would be one of the last moves
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:34 PM
Feb 2023

...the prosecutors would make in this case?

Supposing that Garland will 'pass' in the end, no matter what is a convenient way to dismiss actual progress. There's no evidence that Garland has ever been intimidated out of acting due to fears about supremacist violence.

See his prosecution and execution of the Oklahoma City bomber.

Auggie

(31,204 posts)
3. Here's an idea: announce everything this Thursday!
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:27 PM
Feb 2023

Charges on January 6th, Georgia election, rape felonies, bank fraud, etc. ...

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
8. I don't know
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:43 PM
Feb 2023

...where have you heard that Pence's subpoena likely signals the end of the investigation?


bigtree

(86,006 posts)
12. that's not actually a credible argument against the reasoning offered here
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 06:07 PM
Feb 2023

...some nebulous claim made somewhere.

Barb makes a good point. You don't come for the high profile witnesses until you cover all of their underlings. It just makes sense.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
11. that's this legal pundit's opinion
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 06:03 PM
Feb 2023

...no one in the investigation has said anything like that.

The two grand juries are still assembled, hearing testimony and viewing evidence. Aside from the dubious value in leaping past the very bodies assembled to give legitimacy to their investigation, the entities which the federal justice system uses to make official determinations of probable cause, what other process is there to an indictment?

No prosecutor worth a damn runs investigations like a shoe slogan.

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
13. Barbara McQuade comes on when Joyce Vance isn't available.
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 06:18 PM
Feb 2023

Of course Smith is serious about indicting Trump. One of the reasons that Smith subpoenaed Pence is because he understands it will take time to litigate his appearance.

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