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BWdem4life

(1,667 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 01:06 PM Feb 2023

Any Uber/Lyft/Grubhub/DoorDash etc drivers here?

(sigh) the gig economy sucks so bad.

You're probably doing your taxes wrong, and you have my commiserations.

Ok, first off. You should be keeping track of your beginning and ending mileage for the year, on each vehicle you use.

Didn't do that last year? You're not alone. Add 14,000 to your total business miles (we'll get to that one in a minute) and call it good. If the IRS questions your return, that number is slightly higher than most estimates of the national average, and you'll at least have a rationale to give them; but be prepared for some grief if it's a full audit. If you didn't own the vehicle all year, pro-rate that number.

Next: Commuting miles. If you have a job in addition to your 'business', figure those out. If, like most people, you haven't been keeping a very good mileage log, you can estimate based on the number of days you worked and the distance to/from work.

However... If there are days that you only did the "gig" (or if the gig was your only work), you need to be aware that the distance from your home to your first business-related stop is a commute, as well as the distance from your last business stop to your home. (The corner gas station doesn't count, nice try.) Nobody else gets paid for their commute and you can't count it in business miles. If you just want to throw in an estimate and be done with it, I would go with 7,000... but again, if the IRS questions your return, and it's a full audit, you'll have some serious work to do trying to reconstruct your commuting miles based on something they'll accept. If you didn't own the vehicle all year, pro-rate the above number. So that's 7,000 commuting miles and 7,000 personal miles making up the 14,000 miles you add to business miles to get total miles.

Despite all this, there are probably business miles you AREN'T counting that you should. Uber and Lyft give you a breakdown at the end of the year which includes "online miles." This number does NOT include miles between a drop-off and the next pick-up; you should be using a mileage app or some other method to keep track of those miles.

Most people use the standard mileage rate. If you start with actual vehicle expenses in the first year you put the vehicle into service, you can't switch to SMR in later years. You can switch from SMR to actual expenses in later years, but you'll need to do some depreciation calculations.

Final note on vehicle expenses: The standard mileage rate doesn't take into account parking/tolls/fees (you can't add parking tickets or traffic tickets, again nice try); personal property tax on your vehicle; or car loan interest. You can add these in. You also probably spend extra on car washes/detailing; add this in. The reason for knowing ALL your mileage is that you only get to deduct the business percentage of personal property tax and the car loan. (Parking fees at your normal job are a non-deductible commute expense.)

Cell phone: You can and should be deducting this expense. Estimate what percentage is used for business (hours of work divided by total hours used) for phone charges and related equipment.

Here's a nice article (also an advertisement for a company I am not associated with and know nothing about) that covers a few other things:

https://blog.stridehealth.com/post/9-tax-deductions-you-have-to-be-taking-as-a-rideshare-driver

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Any Uber/Lyft/Grubhub/DoorDash etc drivers here? (Original Post) BWdem4life Feb 2023 OP
Have to subtract all miles from personal usage as well MichMan Feb 2023 #1
You don't need to keep a log of personal-use miles... BWdem4life Feb 2023 #3
Thanks for this hauckeye Feb 2023 #2
I actually fought this fight many a yarren ago. gibraltar72 Feb 2023 #4
Even if she did ask you to stop and get milk BWdem4life Feb 2023 #5
Just started testing Everlance and Stride apps for tracking miles progressoid Feb 2023 #6

MichMan

(11,927 posts)
1. Have to subtract all miles from personal usage as well
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 01:37 PM
Feb 2023

Most people don't use a dedicated vehicle for business and a separate vehicle for errands, shopping, visiting places, and all other personal trips

The IRS expects people to keep detailed logs on vehicle mileage in the case where it is used for business, commuting to work, and personal reasons. Just making it up will be a problem. I see a lot of people who have a business that co mingle business and personal finances and expenses which can cause a lot of issues. If you decide to start your own business, you need to act like it.

BWdem4life

(1,667 posts)
3. You don't need to keep a log of personal-use miles...
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 02:08 PM
Feb 2023

As long as you have your beginning and ending odometer for the year, (total miles driven), it's assumed that any miles you don't keep or reconstitute a log of, (business miles and commuting miles), are personal.

hauckeye

(635 posts)
2. Thanks for this
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 01:51 PM
Feb 2023

My daughter was thinking about doing DoorDash for extra money. I think the tax thing is too complicated. She doesn’t really understand her taxes from her regular job. Plus she’s petite and I worry about her maybe getting assaulted.

gibraltar72

(7,504 posts)
4. I actually fought this fight many a yarren ago.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 02:55 PM
Feb 2023

Got called in for an audit by IRS, Just getting established as insurance and investment agent. Got called to an IRS office in Jackson Mi.. An agent who shall remain nameless, We'll just call her SUSAN questioned my business miles. Susan said I had to consider distance to first call a commute. I explained my commute was from my bed to my office in my home. Susan seemed unconvinced, I explained that I had an in home office. I made calls finished up all paperwork from office in my home, further explained when I left my office I was already on the job and going somewhere. Susan grudgingly agreed then asked my wife do you ever ask him to get a gallon of milk or something on way back to office. My wife replied I can't ever remember doing that.

I also deducted cost of office in home, one eighth of all house costs. Now I never claimed all miles on car just 80 or 90%. Susan then asked how many cars we had. I told her always two or three. Susan wasn't ready to concede, she ordered me to make a two week diary and submit it to her. I did this and we returned to IRS office I included everything trips to coach Little League etc. Susan grudgingly accepted the log. That was last time I was ever questioned about auto or office expenses.

Perhaps gig workers could designate a room to be their office. That is my story and I swear it is mostly true.

BWdem4life

(1,667 posts)
5. Even if she did ask you to stop and get milk
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 03:06 PM
Feb 2023

You could still take the straight-line distance, not including any miles you went out-of-way for personal reasons.

But, of course, your mileage log needs to reflect that.

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
6. Just started testing Everlance and Stride apps for tracking miles
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 03:09 PM
Feb 2023

Rather than the old fashioned pen and paper method. We shall see if it is worth it.

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