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Just_Vote_Dem

(2,808 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 09:49 AM Feb 2023

Dominon Just Gave Jack Smith Useful Evidence

As you read through Dominion’s motion for summary judgement against Fox News — and trust me, you should read it! — keep in mind not just how it proves Fox to be nothing but a propaganda platform aiming to help the Republican Party, but also the evidence it makes available to Jack Smith as he considers charges against those who used false claims about voting fraud to gin up a coup attempt.

Just as one example, Sean Hannity has played a role in every Trump legal scandal — serving as a back channel to Trump for Paul Manafort, participating in Rudy Giuliani’s attempts to gin up dirt on Hunter Biden as the first impeachment unfolded, and helping White House officials stave off the resignations of Trump’s White House Counsels in advance of January 6. But in each case, investigators only got his communications via other subjects of the investigation, as when DOJ found Manafort’s WhatsApp texts to Hannity saved in Manafort’s iCloud account or when the January 6 Committee got Signal texts Hannity exchanged with Mark Meadows from the former Chief of Staff’s production. Republicans chose not to call Hannity as a pro-Trump witness in the Ukraine impeachment.

With its filing, Dominion has given a snapshot of the ways and whys in which Fox News helped magnify false voter fraud claims, especially (though not exclusively) those of Sidney Powell.

It all takes place against the backdrop of a huge backlash against Fox after it called AZ for Joe Biden. When Fox presented the truth about the election, viewers started fleeing to Newsmax, with Trump’s encouragement. The filing describes the panic that ensued.
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More at https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/02/17/dominion-just-gave-jack-smith-useful-evidence/

Link to Dominion's motion https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23684885-230216-dominion-fox

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Dominon Just Gave Jack Smith Useful Evidence (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Feb 2023 OP
I'm cheering for Dominion--their lawsuit did a great service for the US. panader0 Feb 2023 #1
All we need to know Roy Rolling Feb 2023 #29
Thanks for the link and recommendation; reading now. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #2
FOX was created in the first place as a response to the "corporate" media... kentuck Feb 2023 #3
uh -- azureblue Feb 2023 #8
FOX was created by Roger Ailes (Murdoch too) .... Botany Feb 2023 #10
If News Corp were not allowed to use the word 'News', as you suggest, 70sEraVet Feb 2023 #32
Fox "News" really is a cancer on America. Botany Feb 2023 #33
I was up reading the Dominion filing last night, it's incredible. CaptainTruth Feb 2023 #4
+1 Well said. c-rational Feb 2023 #11
Fox news hosts: not quite as stupid as they pretend to be. tanyev Feb 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #18
of course they don't believe it Skittles Feb 2023 #27
LOL I spent about 2 hours (this morning) looking for the link to the motion MissMillie Feb 2023 #5
Yes, the Dominion suit has lengthened Jack Smith's list of who Trump's aiders and abetters were. ancianita Feb 2023 #6
Unfortunately FOX viewers won't have a clue that any of this happened Mr. Ected Feb 2023 #7
I hope this lawsuit ruins Fox News. ShazzieB Feb 2023 #9
It won't. Dominion is asking for $1.6 billion Arazi Feb 2023 #12
A Bit Misleading ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #20
Quibbling over a billion here and a billion there... Arazi Feb 2023 #22
You never know... maybe chopping some Talking Heads concessions? I remember when Bill OReilly flying_wahini Feb 2023 #21
That post was wishful thinking. ShazzieB Feb 2023 #34
24 months and counting republianmushroom Feb 2023 #14
Sorry for this dumb question from a non-lawyer ... FakeNoose Feb 2023 #15
Hi FakeNoose, off topic BOSSHOG Feb 2023 #28
Sedition, mzmolly Feb 2023 #16
TY! Cha Feb 2023 #17
I'm reading it, and laughing like I haven't laughed in a long time. MissMillie Feb 2023 #19
Decapitated internally? Probatim Feb 2023 #25
Well Thank You, Dominion! This is a BFD! liberalla Feb 2023 #23
I had the same reaction yesterday Jarqui Feb 2023 #24
OK, it was just a 1970's high school media class, but... lambchopp59 Feb 2023 #26
PBS Newshour had a good in-depth piece on it. summer_in_TX Feb 2023 #30
Wouldn't it be great if this could take out BOTH Pox Noise AND Newsmax? calimary Feb 2023 #31

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
29. All we need to know
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 10:55 PM
Feb 2023

“Fox News” is a political propaganda effort disguised as a commercial news network.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
3. FOX was created in the first place as a response to the "corporate" media...
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 11:00 AM
Feb 2023

...which they said was too "liberal" and favored the Democrats.

Their entire premise was wrong from the beginning.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
8. uh --
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 12:17 PM
Feb 2023

Murdock wanted to set up a US channel, but, because he was Aussie, he was not allowed to. So he went to Reagan, and asked for "help" with the promise that his channel would "help" the GOP. Ronnie expedited his application for citizenship, and once a citizen, then he could set up Fox in the USA.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
10. FOX was created by Roger Ailes (Murdoch too) ....
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 12:31 PM
Feb 2023

.... because Ailes thought or sold the story that Nixon got
run from office because of Dan Rather and the liberal media
such as the Washington Post reporting of Nixon's crimes. It
really was the fault of the media and not Nixon & Company's
actions so Ailes came up with the idea of creating his own
news operation just like he invented news events for Dick
Nixon in 1968. Fox and now much of the Wall Street Journal
are cancers on America with their deliberate misinformation.

Musk and Murdoch @ the Super Bowl ... they are real threats to
our nation's future.

I hope Mr. Smith and the Dominion Lawsuit sinks Fox News or
at least stops News Corp from using the word "news."



70sEraVet

(3,501 posts)
32. If News Corp were not allowed to use the word 'News', as you suggest,
Sat Feb 18, 2023, 10:05 AM
Feb 2023

would that mean that Fox would no longer be represented at the White House Press Briefings?
That should get Jack Smith a flipping MEDAL!

Botany

(70,504 posts)
33. Fox "News" really is a cancer on America.
Sat Feb 18, 2023, 10:48 AM
Feb 2023

In 2008 Hannity ran a story night after night that OH's Sec. of State (and my friend) Jennifer Brunner
was working with ACORN to rig OH's vote for Barack Obama and that story did not have 1 word of
truth to it but the Fox News watchers bought into and a few to the point that she got real life death threats.

And on the morning of Jan. 4th 2021 the morning blond (sorry I forget her name) on Fox and Friends said,
"A lot of people still have questions about the election." The people @ News Corp knew the election was
legit and by then President Elect had won by 8 million votes but they were still pushing the big lie that Trump
had really won via their on air personalities which just poured gasoline onto the fire that was Trump's big
lie.*


* Fox News Knew Trump’s Big Lie Was BS the Whole Time

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-knew-trump-big-195837450.html?soc_src=social-sh&amp%5B0%5D=&amp%5B1%5D=&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr&fr=yhssrp_catchall






CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
4. I was up reading the Dominion filing last night, it's incredible.
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 11:52 AM
Feb 2023

The texts between Fox hosts show that they KNOW what they're saying on air is BS, they KNOW their guests like Sidney Powell & Rudy Giuliani are crazy, but they still go on air & put on a show, lying to their gullible viewers.

For a long time I've wondered if they actually believed the BS they said, or if they knew it was BS & they were just putting on an act to manipulate their viewers. Now I know the answer.

Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #4)

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
27. of course they don't believe it
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 09:08 PM
Feb 2023

but they are well aware of the stupidity and gullibility of their viewers

MissMillie

(38,557 posts)
5. LOL I spent about 2 hours (this morning) looking for the link to the motion
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 11:53 AM
Feb 2023

You posted it about 20 minutes after I got it from someone on Twitter.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
6. Yes, the Dominion suit has lengthened Jack Smith's list of who Trump's aiders and abetters were.
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 12:02 PM
Feb 2023

Or worse:

Conspiracy to Make a False Statement (18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1001)
"Incite," "Assist" or "Aid and Comfort" an Insurrection (18 U.S.C. § 2383)

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
7. Unfortunately FOX viewers won't have a clue that any of this happened
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 12:03 PM
Feb 2023

Since this is the kind of news they tend to suppress.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
9. I hope this lawsuit ruins Fox News.
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 12:31 PM
Feb 2023

I don't know how likely that is, but omg, how wonderful would that be? So I can't help but hope.

I don't have time to read the whole motion right now, but I learned a lot just perusing the Table of Contents. It's basically a detailed, itemized list of all the awful things Fox News did and all the lies they knowingly told about the election.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
12. It won't. Dominion is asking for $1.6 billion
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 01:23 PM
Feb 2023

Faux has $4B in hand (besides quarterly revenue).

I’m hopeful Dominion prevails but these things usually end up in a negotiated settlement. That this case hasn’t been settled means, despite these damning statements, Faux thinks they can win.

Faux has formidable lawyers

ProfessorGAC

(65,040 posts)
20. A Bit Misleading
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 05:06 PM
Feb 2023

The parent company ended FY22 with $5 billion in cash. But, the news division is a mere fraction of the whole, and since they're run as separate divisions, it could grossly effect the financial picture for the division.
But we agree it won't send them to BKO.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
22. Quibbling over a billion here and a billion there...
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 06:20 PM
Feb 2023


That said, yes we’re in agreement, unfortunately this won’t sink Faux if they lose

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
21. You never know... maybe chopping some Talking Heads concessions? I remember when Bill OReilly
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 05:36 PM
Feb 2023

Got axed and so many people said it would never happen.

There is always hope.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
34. That post was wishful thinking.
Sat Feb 18, 2023, 08:13 PM
Feb 2023

I don't really expect Fox News to be ruined by this; I was just having fun imagining how lovely that would be.

I am, however, very optimistic about Dominion's chances of prevailing in this suit. The evidence in Dominion's favor is overwhelmingly strong. Fox may have formidable lawyers, but so does Dominion. I was blown away just skimming the motion for summary judgment. It was obviously constructed by people who know their stuff.

I am not a lawyer, but I know good lawyering when I see it. That motion looks like some damned fine lawyering to me.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
15. Sorry for this dumb question from a non-lawyer ...
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 02:00 PM
Feb 2023

... but Jack Smith can't legally use evidence that was provided by another source, can he?

I thought he could only use evidence that his own investigators (or the FBI) discovered, because that's the way it is.

BOSSHOG

(37,051 posts)
28. Hi FakeNoose, off topic
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 09:32 PM
Feb 2023

But maybe of interest to you. Im from Philly, an Eagle fan since birth (a long time ago.). Im now living in Kansas, my wife’s home. Today on a Kansas Station they ran a clip of Gov Shapiro congratulating the Governor of Kansas on the Super Bowl win. Per arrangement he had the chiefs flag displayed in his office today. He says he looks forward to the Eagles and Steelers in next years Super Bowl. I saw that damn clip three times today.

MissMillie

(38,557 posts)
19. I'm reading it, and laughing like I haven't laughed in a long time.
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 04:57 PM
Feb 2023

Sidney Powell's source!

What was the evidence for these far- fetched claims that Powell sent to Bartiromo the day before the broadcast? An email entitled Election Fraud Info Powell had received from a source" which the author herself describes as pretty wackadoodle Ex.154 at FNN001_0000009-11. This email also received by
Dobbs alleged Dominion was the one common thread in the voting 24 irregularities in a number of states. Ex.154 at FNN001_00000009 Ex.98, Bartiromo 123:19-134:13.

In addition to promoting lies about Dominion, the sender claimed that Justice Scalia was purposefully killed at the annual Bohemian Grove camp during a weeklong human hunting expedition and that former Fox News CEO RogerAiles (who died in 2017) and Rupert Murdoch secretly huddle most days to determine how best to portray Mr. Trump as badly as possible Ex.154 at FNN001_00000010 . The author continued: Who am I? And how do know all of this? I've had the strangest dreams since I was a little girl was internally decapitated, and yet, I live The Wind tells me I'm a ghost, but I don't believe it. Id. at
NN001_00000011;Ex.98,Bartiromo 133:25-134:13. The full force of the email's lunacy comes across by reading it in its entirety . Ex.154.


There you have it folks.... breaks the whole voting machine "fraud" case wide open!

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
24. I had the same reaction yesterday
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 08:09 PM
Feb 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17655584

All these cases feed each other evidence.

NY AG went after Habba & Trump when the FBI search of Mar-a-lago turned up financial records Habba told the NY court Trump didn't have after she searched Mar-a-lago.

From all the criminal cases for Jan 6th, many were claiming the President told them to do it & why - the chain of command leading to Trump

A number will flip to avoid jail time.

Allen Weisselberg cuts a deal for a reduced sentence but subsequent testimony and evidence from other cases appears to have caught him in a lie. Now, he probably has to really sing to save himself.

A bunch of Trump's lawyers are in trouble. Time for one to chirp to save themselves.

The evidence from some of these cases is giving them leads or allowing them to triangulate in others.

The problem they're having is probably manpower to chase it all down.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
26. OK, it was just a 1970's high school media class, but...
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 09:06 PM
Feb 2023

Pre-internet days I was confused as hell how it was Fox started the bullshit narrative right out of the chute. One of the most basic laws and ethical concerns was any broadcast labeling itself "news" had to be verifiable, liberally substantiated prose or be clearly labeled "opinion".
Raygun. That egregiously greedy, turgid, pretentious, unscrupulous, duplicitous, pompous and magniloquent society-wrecking asshole.
Good ghod will someone please restore some good fairness Doctrine law before these creeps really turn us into a dystopian hellscape they're bending over backwards to create? It sure as hell wouldn't hurt anyone for Fixed Noise to have place an unmistakable flashing to banner "opinion" in large print when they start pontificating their propaganda. It wouldn't hurt "our side" of the facts one tiny speck.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
30. PBS Newshour had a good in-depth piece on it.
Sat Feb 18, 2023, 01:14 AM
Feb 2023

Maybe the video will get through to some who won't read.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Sy3TXKXew_8?feature=share&t=1036

This should start at the beginning of their piece on it – from the full show today.



Brooks and Capehart also spent time on it. Worth a look.

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