The defeatists here at DU are out in full force today.

[fightforfreedom]

According to them we are doomed, there is no hope for justice, it's over. The investigators are either incompetent, corrupt, Trump protectors. Look, the investigators were arguing about searching Trumps home. That proves it, we are doomed. It's too late now. It was an EASY decision to search a former presidents home for the first time in history. Joke!

They claim Garland is to blame, that's why nothing is happening. The FBI was arguing, that means Wray is corrupt. There are secret undercover Trump FBI agents protecting Trump.

Holy shit Batman!

[Scrivener7]

1. I haven't seen anyone say any of those things. Can you link to where someone said

we're doomed today?

[fightforfreedom]

5. You are good at looking up my past posts.

Look it up yourself.

[Scrivener7]

6. So no links? OK.

[fightforfreedom]

8. Please, I am laughing hard enough.

[Scrivener7]

9. So glad for you. But apparently no one is saying those things today, so I don't know what

the point of this thread is. Unless you'd like to link to what you are talking about?

[LexVegas]

10. Discord. nt

[Scrivener7]

28. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

[fightforfreedom]

14. I am not the only one saying it. Read the other responses to my post.

They are seeing all doom and gloom being posted.

[Scrivener7]

15. Would you like to link to someone saying we're doomed, there's no hope for

justice, or it's over?

It should not be difficult if everyone is talking about those posts that say that.

[Sympthsical]

41. I don't think I've read a single thing about Garland today

Maybe it exists (I don’t read every thread), but usually out in force would be a noticeable thing just by skimming.

Secret Wars!

[BlackSkimmer]

42. I'm also interested in learning where those discussions are?

TIA.

[Polly Hennessey]

2. There is some of that and by now I recognize the naysayers

and quickly move on.

[Bettie]

3. I don't expect justice

simply because historically, rich, right wing, white men generally don't receive consequences for their actions, unless they screw over others of their own group.

Not expecting it doesn't mean "we're doomed", it means, "I'll believe it when I see it" and is based on simply seeing what has happened in the past. Might a few low level staffers get some prison time? Yeah, but the "big fish"? Not happening.

The thing about hope is how much it hurts when it is crushed. After a while, a little protective cynicism is a good thing.

[republianmushroom]

11. Nailed it

[Bettie]

13. I'd also add

that what a relatively few people in a random message board believe or don't believe will have absolutely zero impact on the final decision to prosecute or not.

So, ultimately, if we vent our frustrations or cheerlead, it makes no difference whatsoever.

[republianmushroom]

25. In all likelihood you are correct.

But the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to say.
And they do take note.

[Hortensis]

29. How common's hope, though?

I disagree that people dumping all over everything we do, are trying to do, and HOPE to do makes no difference. It makes a big difference to me, and I agree it has become worse lately. It seems the better Democrats do, and we have been doing some real good, the more strident and pervasive the negativism.

I come here for DU's

"community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. Constructive criticism ... is welcome and encouraged, but we expect our members to follow our forum rules and participate in a manner which promotes a positive atmosphere."

Some people are not politically liberal, though, and some of those are especially unable to accept as successes those democratic agreements that can only be achieved by cooperation between people of different ideologies. A few who don't understand and stir things up are fine, but whole crowds come here to smear Democratic goals and accomplishments as corrupt because their natures seemingly don’t allow them to understand the virtues of representative democracy.

A special problem is those who are so opposed to the choices of mainstream Democrats that they feel the only hope is to keep their choices from being elected. For the most part, that cannot be done honestly and honorably. Those who post here may be few, but I strongly object to their poisonous negativism and its influence on their targets — those unfortunates who want to hope but are having a hard time in these troubled times.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. This.

Thank you.

[Chainfire]

16. Agreed for the same reasons.

[LexVegas]

4. Sowers of discord certainly are. nt

[Ocelot II]

7. Which is why I'm ignoring almost everything on DU today

unless it's in the lounge and has to do with cute animals or angry old Norwegians with air raid sirens. What happens happens; I have no control over any of it so I just watch and wait. Maybe we're doomed. Maybe we're not. I choose to think we're not, but I'm not in charge.

[republianmushroom]

12. 25 months and counting

[fightforfreedom]

17. I knew that was coming.

I give you credit. you are consistently pessimistic.

[we can do it]

26. Yawn

[Silent3]

18. Can you argue against justified pessimism without creating exaggerated straw men?

Go on, give it try!

[fightforfreedom]

19. Good try, that won't work

[Silent3]

22. You managing to make your case without straw men?

You're right. That won't work.

[lamp_shade]

20. I've read the comments you mention. Holy Shit is right.

Whiners all.

[RussBLib]

36. I tend to trash those threads

...and if a specific poster is a repeat offender, I put them on Ignore.

Don't have time for all that pessimism.

[PortTack]

44. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[Silent3]

21. Judge says "We can't keep dragging this out"... then let's Bannon drag it out

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17689670

Such an inspiring pursuit of justice!

[Ptah]

24. Any day now - Obstruction Trump has now admitted he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation

Many Republicans — from White House staffers to members of Congress to conservative pundits — have been insisting for two days now, despite widespread reports, that President Donald Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey had nothing to do with Comey’s investigation into Russian interference with the 2016 election.

Now, in an interview with NBC’s Lester Holt, Trump has admitted it did.

Asked by Holt about the White House’s initial story that he fired Comey because of a recommendation by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, Trump said, “I was gonna fire him regardless of the recommendation.”

In explaining how he made up his mind, the president directly brought up the Russia case, calling it a “made-up story” (emphasis added):

He [Rosenstein] made a recommendation, he’s highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. The Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made a recommendation. But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time to do it!

And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

And the reason they should’ve won it is, the Electoral College is almost impossible for a Republican to win, it’s very hard, because you start off at such a disadvantage. So everybody was thinking they should have won the election. This was an excuse for having lost an election.

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/11/15628276/trump-comey-fired-russia

[dpibel]

30. "Has now" meaning "in 2017"

It's at best a misleading subject line. Not sure why you keep posting it.

[Ptah]

31. To demonstrate that a crime in full view has been ignored for years.

[dpibel]

32. That's not what "has now admitted" means.

It means you're imparting news. Recent developments.

[Ptah]

34. Obtuse

annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

[Silent3]

35. "Has now admitted" is part of the original title of the article

The poster you're arguing with simply used the real title of the article they linked to in the title of their post.

As for the main point the poster is making, that Trump made this admission about Comey all the way back in 2017 makes their disgust with the vigilance of our "justice" system more justified, not less.

[Scrivener7]

33. I got your point.

[jalan48]

27. Candide

“Optimism," said Cacambo, "What is that?" "Alas!" replied Candide, "It is the obstinacy of maintaining that everything is best when it is worst.”
― Voltaire, Candide

[Kaleva]

37. Catastrophic climate change is going to make these debates seem silly

[maxsolomon]

38. We can always count on you for the Pollyanna viewpoint, too.

How many OPs have you had that said that Justice is just around the corner?

No one knows shit about what's going to happen to * one way or the other. The only facts we have are that nothing's happened yet.

[LexVegas]

39. ....

[Emile]

45. Best reply of all!

[edhopper]

40. Rather than us

You might want to speak to the Inspector Generals office, who said Garland failed to act.

[Stargleamer]

46. Besides the Inspector General. . .

(See Edhopper’s post above), you might wish also to confer with Prof. Larry Tribe, on how Garland let the Statute of Limitations run out on Trump’s solicitation of Russia’s help in 2016 and Trump’s firing of James Comey in 2017 (see Ptah’s post above).

We have damned good reasons to be pessimistic here.

[Torchlight]

47. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

My patience or impatience, my frustrations and my bliss will not affect the proceedings in any meaningful way. I think the process will play itself out on a timeline other than mine, and I think it will happen sooner than many think (though longer than others think).

But my thoughts, like those of the people I talk to, are not going to change the taste of mustard by cheering and sniping. I don't get derisively mocking one guess because it doesn't jibe well with my guess.