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FDR: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" (Original Post) fightforfreedom Mar 2023 OP
Back then we brought the fear to them. The Grand Illuminist Mar 2023 #1
Who's afraid? fightforfreedom Mar 2023 #2
FDR didn't have FAUX and hate radio to fight against. Justice matters. Mar 2023 #3
You may want to read up on your history. fightforfreedom Mar 2023 #4
Person who doesn't know history advises others to read history Doc Sportello Mar 2023 #6
16 camps, you call that not many? fightforfreedom Mar 2023 #8
You think 6000 in a country of 200 million is many? Doc Sportello Mar 2023 #10
About 3% of the adult population watches Fox News Kaleva Mar 2023 #7
I forgot to mention YouTube and fascist right-wing message boards. Justice matters. Mar 2023 #11
Then came FOX "News" RAB910 Mar 2023 #5
We went from that to "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE CROWD SIZE!!!". Initech Mar 2023 #9

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
3. FDR didn't have FAUX and hate radio to fight against.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 12:29 PM
Mar 2023

Newspapers back then, and yes, hate radio but to a much lesser extent than today (or since the 80's).

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
4. You may want to read up on your history.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 12:38 PM
Mar 2023

Many Americans, including politicians, rich people, back then were supporting Hitler. Back then many Americans were sending their children to Nazi youth camps built here in America.

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
6. Person who doesn't know history advises others to read history
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 01:13 PM
Mar 2023

No "many" Americans were not supporting Hitler or sending their kids to Nazi camps. There were 16 camps, almost all in the northeast, and the biggest one was in a mostly German-American town.

https://gizmodo.com/how-american-nazis-used-summer-camps-to-indoctrinate-th-1743267747

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"The Bund’s bark, however, was much louder than its bite, and even at its height, it only included a tiny portion of the German-American community, most of whom were either ambivalent or vehemently opposed to what Hitler was doing in their home country. Writing in America in WWII, historian Mark D. Van Ells writes:

Precise membership figures are not known. Estimates range from as high as 25,000 to as low as 6,000. Historians agree that about 90 percent of Bund members were immigrants who arrived in America after 1919. In Wisconsin, the most heavily German state, the Bund seems to have mustered barely 500 members, which would rule out the possibility of anywhere near 25,000 members nationwide.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
8. 16 camps, you call that not many?
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 01:30 PM
Mar 2023

A rally held at Madison Square Garden with over 20 thousand Americans giving the Nazi salute is not many?

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
10. You think 6000 in a country of 200 million is many?
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 02:53 PM
Mar 2023


Here's a definition for you:
many: "a large number of or a majority of people." So that would have to be somewhere in the range of at least 10s of millions or over 100 million to be called many. Sorry, but your hyperbole is not supported by the facts. And if you bother to read the facts as stated, the majority of those attending the camps came from German descent, or were recent immigrants, and did not support Hitler. So your claim of many supporting Hitler in this country is factually incorrect.

Also your use of FDR's speech is misplaced. It was directed at people's fears about the depression and the further harm the fear could cause the economy. It was not directed at fascists movements here and abroad. There were fasicists movements here but there were also growing socialist, populist and labor movements, as fringe ideologies often find followers when a country is thrown into economic turmoil.

If you're going to tell others to read history you should do it yourself - and not just to throw out some unsupported justification for your pontifications.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
7. About 3% of the adult population watches Fox News
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 01:25 PM
Mar 2023

The legacy broadcast news shows each alone have far more viewers then Fox does .

Cable is also declining as more and more people switch to streaming services of which there are only a few that carry Fox News. I subscribe to Hulu, Netflix, Amazon and Peacock and none of those carry Fox News

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
11. I forgot to mention YouTube and fascist right-wing message boards.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 03:07 PM
Mar 2023

Many fascist youtubers record segments of the FAUX+OANN fascist propaganda to pass them on to their fascist supporters who can't afford cable or simply don't want to pay extras for watching.

Many fascist supporters also watch FAUX on military bases and even on navy ships cruising the high seas...

Also, twitter + Farcebook ... FDR didn't have to fight against these wide-ranging alternative media platforms.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
9. We went from that to "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE CROWD SIZE!!!".
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 01:40 PM
Mar 2023

We went from people who knew how to lead to people who go on Fox News out of fear of losing their jobs. Insane.

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