Let's make him infamous!!!!!

[MayReasonRule]

[niyad]

1. Infamous, rather.

[MayReasonRule]

6. Done! Thanks y'all

[AZ8theist]

52. He SHOULD be infamous....

...for a CEO ONLY worth $11M.....

Must be pretty incompetent...

[niyad]

53. I noticed that. Real piker!

[Botany]

2. Please the CEO of Norfork & Southern did not want that train to derail

n/t

[niyad]

8. Despite ignoring safety regulations, demanding fewer regulations, cutting

workforce, huge stook buybacks and dividends. No, of course they didn't.

[Botany]

13. Without a doubt the culture @ the company helped to cause the conditions that led to the accident

The real story that is being ignored is that the Ohio EPA and the Ohio DNR should have been
over seeing the clean up and they work for the Republican Governor of OH Mike DeWine. I
also have some questions about letting the vinyl chloride burn off. The environmental clean up
contractor and or N & S might have let the chemicals burn off because that was cheaper way
to do it and by burning it the toxins were spread over a much bigger area.

[MayReasonRule]

15. Yes, there are multiple culprits, both before and after the fact.

Get 'em all!!!

[pirsquared]

22. RR roller bearings, etc.

When a bearing fails, the friction makes the axle heat to red hot, to yellow hot, and white hot---where steel actually melts. The axle support point obviously collapseas, and the entire wheel assembly (bogie/wheel set) falls to the ground. And digs in with all the momentum of the train cars behind and all the weight of the bad car. Think anti-tank devices--hedgehogs Everything will try to stop instantly, which is impossible. cf: physics

Anyone here remember big ads in Life et al from the Timkin Roller Bearing Company back in the 50's?

Timken was much better than "journal bearings". see: http://edge.rit.edu/edge/P14453/public/Research/2-_LEADER_-_Understanding_Journal_Bearings.pdf

Why not ball bearings? Famous ball bearings work in bikes, cars, airplanes, wind turbines but not on RR cars riding on tracks. Owing to the unrecognized taper that makes it possible for trains with a fixed axle and flange to go around curves.

Timkin pioneered the roller bearing solution, but it was a bit more upfront expensive, but saved money in the long run from fewer hot boxes, fires, and derailments. And no bearing can survive without grease and maintenance.

The N&S CEO Alan Shaw smugly laughed off the need for simple heat sensors; y'know IR infra-red 'guns' for $19.95 at Home Depot.

Corporations that enjoy huge profits from stock-buybacks are oblivious to the concept of "the long run."

[2naSalit]

28. Indeed...

The N&S CEO Alan Shaw smugly laughed off the need for simple heat sensors; y'know IR infra-red 'guns' for $19.95 at Home Depot.

Corporations that enjoy huge profits from stock-buybacks are oblivious to the concept of "the long run."

Also oblivious to the details you described about the simple physics. It's just "below" them to consider such things.

ETA: Welcome to DU!

[mbusby]

47. My wifes father worked at Timken

[electric_blue68]

54. Ty for the explanation.

[gratuitous]

12. What did he do to keep the train from derailing?

In the absence of affirmative steps to prevent or minimize derailments, it's reasonable to conclude that the CEO did indeed want the train to derail. I am content to let him show otherwise, if he can.

[Botany]

14. Norfork & Southern is with out a doubt negligent which led to the derailment

The axial on one of the cars was way overheated and the warning system on the train
did not notify the train's crew about the overheating until just before the derailing. N & S
might have to cut off the CEO for cosmetic reasons but he will be fine with millions and
millions of dollars.

[Mr. Evil]

16. Please.

This, as with most any other corporation, was calculated by their risk management dept. Cut regular maintenance, repairs, personnel, upgrades and hold onto all that capital. Should an accident occur, the payouts for cleanup and reparations, by their calculations, should be less than what it would have cost to perform those safety related tasks. That's why they delay or avoid them altogether. Bigger dividends, happier shareholders, all's well in their world. They don't give a shit about that town or any other. Ever! And it will happen again and again.

People like Alan Shaw belong in prison. They are a clear and present danger to society.

[Farmer-Rick]

23. Perfect description

This is how corporate capitalism works. It's not about doing a good job or making the best product, it's about making profit.

Sooooo, to do that, the corporation hires the fewest people possible, pays the lowest wages government lets them, hires the cruelest managers available, uses the cheapest equipment and supplies possible, does the least amount they can get away with and charge the highest price the government will allow.

A recipe for incompetence and cruelty.

[Mr. Evil]

26. Yup.

Amazing how much information can be found inside a nutshell.

[Botany]

24. "People like Alan Shaw belong in prison."

W/out a doubt but it will never happen. In 2004 Ken Blackwell OH's Sec. of State allowed massive cheating
in OH so w would get a 2nd term and nothing happened to him and to this day he is well taken care of. I
worked that election and it was way dirty and for months I kept thinking when are they going to arrest him
and it was a big ass nothing. And when a Federal Judge order that the County B.O.E.s turn over their polling
logs those B.O.E. just tore up or pitched those logs although 2 women from Cuyahoga County got 2 years in
prison for rigging the 2004 recount and the judge told them that they were no doubt the only people involved
but they appealed the ruling to a Republican judge and he kicked them free. Look what that P. O. S. Governor
of New Jersey walked away on. I have long given up hope about seeing justice done.

[Mr. Evil]

25. I noticed one thing.

They had no problem sending two women to prison. And the good ol' boys lit cigars.

[Botany]

44. The 2 women walked away from the charges a

Republican judge tossed their convictions.

And no doubt their bank accounts got some love too.

[IcyPeas]

39. exactly. plus this will be off the front page any day now and everyone will forget

like we've forgotten Uvalde or Sandy Hook (I'll never understand how these stories aren't covered EVERY SINGLE EFFING DAY)

[area51]

48. +1 n/t

[KPN]

19. Are you saying the CEO bears no responsibility? I hope not. He's not the only figure or element

that should bear responsibility and accountability for sure. But he is the CEO and as CEO has huge influence over corporate culture.

[Artcatt]

20. He musta not wanted it too awful much...

[Aristus]

3. Guys like him don't care about infamy, or bad publicity.

They always respond with a childish "You're just jealous because I'm rich!"

I don't want him to be famous. I want someone to throw him into an oubliette so we can forget about him.

[NJCher]

17. supposing you're right

There's still a good reason to make him infamous. His social circle and his family can't ALL be sociopaths. He will feel the effects in some way, whether he personally cares or not.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. And then what?

[MayReasonRule]

10. What then? How about what now? Sue the shit out of 'em!!

What now? Let me tell you what now. I’m gonna call a couple of hard pipe-hitting lawyers to go to work on the homes here with a pair of legal pliers and a blowtorch. You hear me talking, hillbilly boy? I ain’t through with you by a damn sight. I’m gonna get medieval on your ass.”

?t=72

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. K&R

[Initech]

7. Another right wing criminal CEO grifter.

It's all about those sweet stock dividends and putting profit above people with these scumbags.

[SledDriver]

9. He is famous. That's the point.

He's the lightning rod for the backlash over the derailment.
Once he's used up, he'll bail out with his golden parachute and the board will appoint a new CEO to replace him.

It's the board and the shareholders that deserve the "attention".

[NJCher]

18. so make them famous, too

But in addition, keep in mind he is socially disgraced. He's damaged goods. His golden parachute has a price.

Brings to mind the words of Richard Jewel: "Where do I go to get my reputation back."

You don't. He lives with this the rest of his life.

[MayReasonRule]

27. Disgrace is not nearly enough. He had expansive tools at his disposal to prevent such a happening.

He did not.

May he be stripped of all his assets and sued into oblivion while serving a lengthy sentence incarcerated in State and/or Federal prisons.

May reason rule.

[NJCher]

36. that's fine

we can start with this.

[MayReasonRule]

42. Lol, right on!!

[MayReasonRule]

31. They too, deserve unwanted attention to expose the ne'er do wells for what they are.

[Captain Zero]

33. Mitch Daniels is on the board of NS

Former governor of Indiana, former 'budget director' for W bush.

I'm sure he was down with any NS cost cutting that has crippled a small Ohio town.

[aocommunalpunch]

11. Useless.

Either enforce laws that make him change his company or get new laws that can do that. Everything else is fucking theatre.

[MayReasonRule]

30. Theatre is an effective form of mass communication.

It characterizes and crystalizes points in pursuit of revealing and informing the viewer.

Mass communication is education.
Mass communication is a basic building block of any ordered society.

Theatre is just that.

[republianmushroom]

21. All for the bottom line.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. I will bet that many people, even here on DU, live in 8,000 sf houses.

While an 8,000 sf house is truly big, it is not uncommon.

Low double digit millions in net worth is indeed a rich, but it is not uncommon.

There is PUH-LENTY to attack NSC for. His house size and net worth are really not worth talking about.

[MayReasonRule]

37. It's not the house size or millions in worth, it's more that he made it by scorching the earth!!!

Cause the dogs die, cause the child screams, cause no birds will fly...
They oughta be sued and then criminally tried, I say it's an eye, for eye!!!

May reason rule and justice be served.

"They" say business is warfare... Indeed, it really is!

They'll toast the wine of wartime, the finest as they serve, the holiest communion, for sacrilegious words.

[Stinky The Clown]

40. Not arguing any of that, but using house size in the argument over East Palestine will get nowhere

[MayReasonRule]

41. Right on y'all! Agreed! It's not the house size or total net worth, it's the damage he's done...

...scorching the earth!

I genuinely enjoy the opportunities within this forum to converse with other sentient, reason based fellow Americans!

May reason rule.

[calimary]

32. This part alone is good to the last drop!

“He poisoned a small town for profit.“

LOVE this!

[MayReasonRule]

38. That's literally dead on point y'all... It's Machiavellian depravity through and through!

[getagrip_already]

34. I'm sure he just wants his life back....

All of this fuss and bother is probably disrupting his life. People are saying mean things about him to his family.

He wants to sink back into that ignominios bubble of wealth and admiration he used to have.

Please take a moment to help him with his plight... Right after his company cleans up the mess and compensates all those poor bastards who live in his toxic mess.

[randr]

35. De-regulation of any industry only means one thing

The lose of jobs. Every watchful eye on a train is a family that may own a home, purchases groceries, pays taxes, etc., etc,.

[OAITW r.2.0]

43. Nationalize the rails.

Then force the operators to have the proper safety and staffing on their trains that use these rails. Can't count on private businesses to work in the public's best interests. Train wrecks are part of their cost of doing business and provide write offs to cover their profits. And you can just imagine how their accountants will inflate the costs that they will incur.

[OMGWTF]

45. They'll pay a fine and then write it off on their taxes. And the beat goes on.

Until we start putting some of these corporate pigs in prison for their misdeeds, the fleecing and floggings will continue.

[oldsoftie]

51. Oh I imagine there will be a TON of lawsuits from the citizens.

They wont be dismissed either.
NS best move is to go in there and start offering every resident in the area a ton of money.

[Cha]

46. Why the HELL is he trying to Scrimp!!

[SheltieLover]

49. Rotten bastard belongs in prison for life!

[oldsoftie]

50. Net worth 11M?? We've got DUers worth that much. I'm surprised.

A major company CEO "only" worth 11 million is extremely rare
In NYC or CA he's referred to as "the guy down the street"