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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo if you love TikTok you have to
give it up? Just hearing this - forcing a sale? Don't want to endanger US security in any way. But jeez
Per CNBC..
The White House threw its support behind a new bipartisan Senate bill that would give the Biden administration the power to ban TikTok in the U.S.
The RESTRICT Act would empower the Commerce Secretary to mitigate "undue or unacceptable risk" to national security posed by technology transactions in which foreign adversaries have an interest.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)No one has given me a convincing argument for how TikTok is a national security threat. Especially to some 16 yr old learning the Dougie from their Grandma.
What exactly is going on here
IbogaProject
(2,815 posts)So grass roots things could grow. Or ruskie trolls could drive a fake groundswell.
PortTack
(32,767 posts)IbogaProject
(2,815 posts)I'm just guessing Why our government is trying to block it.
PortTack
(32,767 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)It explains what TikTok takes and what it can do with it. Its a lot I find it pretty disturbing Its also pretty much what all social media sites do. Its a real issue, not a China issue, an app issue. Nobody should be allowed to collect all the data that is collected just because they buried it in a EULA.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)which goes back to why.
Trump banned TikTok too. Biden repealed the ban.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57413227
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)TikTok shares everything it gathers with the Chinese government. I get that The problem I see though is if they ban TikTok, the same data is just purchased from FB or whoever. The real solution is to prohibit everyone from gathering the data.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)grown too big to control? So huge that the average person just accepts it? ( As long as no unknown credit card charges or identity stolen). Your article says TikTok had one billion users!
Was in Walgreens and bought a little known shampoo. That very afternoon, I start seeing ads for that very same shampoo. Found out that because I signed up for a Walgreens customer card, their inventory system tracked that I bought this shampoo and immediately sells to advertiser. Since they had my email, boom I get an ad. ( And boom the advertiser gets put on my spam list.)
Just a small personal example, I know. I know no national secrets so I imagine I'm ignored by China
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)I see the problem being that far too much money is being made from peoples data. It gives little incentive to change/enact laws that would turn the profit spigot off.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Using our data? Strikes me that you'd have to make viewing non-US websites illegal too. And vice versa
PortTack
(32,767 posts)Charge, at least since Biden took the reins would have been sending out alarms, but that hasnt happened. President Biden and the dens would do well to steer clear of banning the site nationwide. Its going to make a lot of the younger voters very angry!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)500,000,000 who are not.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)I find hoards of valuable political info there that isnt on Twitter or FB (and Instagram is useless politically.). FB is biased and censored beyond belief. IOW Meta is a RW tool.
PortTack
(32,767 posts)This is why they want to ban it. They..the gqp and other dicktator types cant do their dirty deeds in the dark!
"We look forward to continue working with both Democrats and Republicans on this bill, and urge Congress to act quickly to send it to the President's desk." - White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)... but it is my opinion.
The People's Republic of China has often required Western countries that want to do business in China do so as part of a joint venture with a local Chinese company. Now this may have eased over the past few years but practically any major western brand that you know that may exist in China exists and trades there as a joint venture. Chinese companies haven't had those same restrictions imposed on them in the Western world.
So if relations between the West and PRC deteriorate maybe just maybe the West can de-liberate (is that a word?) our markets and require investors from non friendly countries to invest or exist only as a joint venture.
Honestly I think it's Bytedance the company being squeezed between two government systems (PRC and "The West" and I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is really interested what a lot of foreigners are posting on the Clock App - as long as it's not critical of the CCP.
However relations between the US and PRC are rocky and if Bytedance has to spin off its US and EU businesses into joint ventures then so be it. Outright ban on TikTok shouldn't be on the cards as that is IMO a 1A violation to just ban it but a company restructuring would be OK.
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Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)letting it build a stream of ONLY what you are interested in. Then you never see anything you don't care about.
For me it's a mix of politics, cooking, travel, stand-up, and music only. Used to be better for ADDers when clips had to be 30 secs, but you just swipe up if you don't like and it's instantly gone.
pinkstarburst
(1,327 posts)Seriously. Anyone over 40 can laugh and say who cares, but TikTok is extremely popular with young people and it would be a really bad move for Biden to sign on off banning TikTok going into 2024. We can say the legislation is "bipartisan" all we like, but if he's the one who signs it into law, democrats will be blamed for taking away a social media platform millions of young people love. This is not an issue we want hanging around Biden's neck in 2024.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)PortTack
(32,767 posts)Celerity
(43,360 posts)to point out what you are correctly saying now.
TikTok ban, Willow oil project approval, family separation on immigration, bigfooting home rule for DC, carbon bomb mega oil lease auction for the Gulf (that was earlier than the others) etc etc.
Ever since Ron Klain left as CoS, (Klain was the conduit to the left half of our Party) it is like someone looked at this:
and said
'OMG!, we cannot have 18 to 34 year olds supporting Biden as the nominee in 2024 by a net 48 points HIGHER than the older Gen Xers and the younger Boomers'. Quick!, let's start supporting things they hate, even if it means we are breaking multiple foundational campaign promises and tactics (smashing Trump over and over and over on family separation, for instance).