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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:05 AM Mar 2023

So if you love TikTok you have to

give it up? Just hearing this - forcing a sale? Don't want to endanger US security in any way. But jeez

Per CNBC..

The White House threw its support behind a new bipartisan Senate bill that would give the Biden administration the power to ban TikTok in the U.S.

The RESTRICT Act would empower the Commerce Secretary to mitigate "undue or unacceptable risk" to national security posed by technology transactions in which foreign adversaries have an interest.

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So if you love TikTok you have to (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 OP
Sorry, this is wrong angrychair Mar 2023 #1
Its the worst mix of unmoderated & algorithm IbogaProject Mar 2023 #2
You use TikTok? What you are taking about happens on all social media sites. PortTack Mar 2023 #4
I'm just guessing IbogaProject Mar 2023 #5
I understand...it was just a question PortTack Mar 2023 #21
So... This is a good article... Ohio Joe Mar 2023 #6
So if all socmedia does it then that's not specific to TikTok live love laugh Mar 2023 #8
As best I understand the reasoning... Ohio Joe Mar 2023 #10
Sounds good.. but wonder if online universe has Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #11
I don't see it as a problem with the internet... Ohio Joe Mar 2023 #15
New laws in U.S. - would that stop other countries from Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #17
The ACLU has put out a statement in support of TikTok. If it were truly a security threat, those in PortTack Mar 2023 #3
Article says half of one billion users are young. That leaves Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #12
TikTok is WOKE. It's foreign owned and RW billionaires can't buy it. live love laugh Mar 2023 #7
Same..such useful up to the minute news from sources around the world PortTack Mar 2023 #20
Uh huh TheProle Mar 2023 #22
My take on this... Probably unpopular and flawed... mwooldri Mar 2023 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2023 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2023 #14
ADHD here. Omg you would love it... If you just start Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #18
Banning tiktok would be a disaster for Biden pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #16
Agree. Also see above - a billion users just 1/2 young. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #19
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Mar 2023 #23
It looks like this ban may well happen, so expect brutal rat-packing attacks on anyone who tries Celerity Mar 2023 #24

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
1. Sorry, this is wrong
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:19 AM
Mar 2023

No one has given me a convincing argument for how TikTok is a national security threat. Especially to some 16 yr old learning the Dougie from their Grandma.

What exactly is going on here

IbogaProject

(2,815 posts)
2. Its the worst mix of unmoderated & algorithm
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:24 AM
Mar 2023

So grass roots things could grow. Or ruskie trolls could drive a fake groundswell.

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
6. So... This is a good article...
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:41 AM
Mar 2023
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tiktok-data-privacy

It explains what TikTok takes and what it can do with it. It’s a lot… I find it pretty disturbing… It’s also pretty much what all social media sites do. It’s a real issue, not a ‘China’ issue, an app issue. Nobody should be allowed to collect all the data that is collected just because they buried it in a EULA.

live love laugh

(13,109 posts)
8. So if all socmedia does it then that's not specific to TikTok
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:51 AM
Mar 2023

which goes back to why.

Trump “banned” TikTok too. Biden repealed the ban.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57413227

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
10. As best I understand the reasoning...
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 01:10 AM
Mar 2023

TikTok shares everything it gathers with the Chinese government. I get that… The problem I see though is if they ban TikTok, the same data is just purchased from FB or whoever. The real solution is to prohibit everyone from gathering the data.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Sounds good.. but wonder if online universe has
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 10:42 AM
Mar 2023

grown too big to control? So huge that the average person just accepts it? ( As long as no unknown credit card charges or identity stolen). Your article says TikTok had one billion users!

Was in Walgreens and bought a little known shampoo. That very afternoon, I start seeing ads for that very same shampoo. Found out that because I signed up for a Walgreens customer card, their inventory system tracked that I bought this shampoo and immediately sells to advertiser. Since they had my email, boom I get an ad. ( And boom the advertiser gets put on my spam list.)

Just a small personal example, I know. I know no national secrets so I imagine I'm ignored by China

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
15. I don't see it as a problem with the internet...
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:23 PM
Mar 2023

I see the problem being that far too much money is being made from peoples data. It gives little incentive to change/enact laws that would turn the profit spigot off.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
17. New laws in U.S. - would that stop other countries from
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 01:37 PM
Mar 2023

Using our data? Strikes me that you'd have to make viewing non-US websites illegal too. And vice versa

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
3. The ACLU has put out a statement in support of TikTok. If it were truly a security threat, those in
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:24 AM
Mar 2023

Charge, at least since Biden took the reins would have been sending out alarms, but that hasn’t happened. President Biden and the dens would do well to steer clear of banning the site nationwide. It’s going to make a lot of the younger voters very angry!

live love laugh

(13,109 posts)
7. TikTok is WOKE. It's foreign owned and RW billionaires can't buy it.
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:44 AM
Mar 2023

I find hoards of valuable political info there that isn’t on Twitter or FB (and Instagram is useless politically.). FB is biased and censored beyond belief. IOW Meta is a RW tool.

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
20. Same..such useful up to the minute news from sources around the world
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 05:20 PM
Mar 2023

This is why they want to ban it. They..the gqp and other dicktator types can’t do their dirty deeds in the dark!

TheProle

(2,177 posts)
22. Uh huh
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 05:49 PM
Mar 2023

"We look forward to continue working with both Democrats and Republicans on this bill, and urge Congress to act quickly to send it to the President's desk." - White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
9. My take on this... Probably unpopular and flawed...
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:56 AM
Mar 2023

... but it is my opinion.

The People's Republic of China has often required Western countries that want to do business in China do so as part of a joint venture with a local Chinese company. Now this may have eased over the past few years but practically any major western brand that you know that may exist in China exists and trades there as a joint venture. Chinese companies haven't had those same restrictions imposed on them in the Western world.

So if relations between the West and PRC deteriorate maybe just maybe the West can de-liberate (is that a word?) our markets and require investors from non friendly countries to invest or exist only as a joint venture.

Honestly I think it's Bytedance the company being squeezed between two government systems (PRC and "The West&quot and I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is really interested what a lot of foreigners are posting on the Clock App - as long as it's not critical of the CCP.

However relations between the US and PRC are rocky and if Bytedance has to spin off its US and EU businesses into joint ventures then so be it. Outright ban on TikTok shouldn't be on the cards as that is IMO a 1A violation to just ban it but a company restructuring would be OK.

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. ADHD here. Omg you would love it... If you just start
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 01:55 PM
Mar 2023

letting it build a stream of ONLY what you are interested in. Then you never see anything you don't care about.

For me it's a mix of politics, cooking, travel, stand-up, and music only. Used to be better for ADDers when clips had to be 30 secs, but you just swipe up if you don't like and it's instantly gone.

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
16. Banning tiktok would be a disaster for Biden
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 12:29 PM
Mar 2023

Seriously. Anyone over 40 can laugh and say who cares, but TikTok is extremely popular with young people and it would be a really bad move for Biden to sign on off banning TikTok going into 2024. We can say the legislation is "bipartisan" all we like, but if he's the one who signs it into law, democrats will be blamed for taking away a social media platform millions of young people love. This is not an issue we want hanging around Biden's neck in 2024.

Celerity

(43,360 posts)
24. It looks like this ban may well happen, so expect brutal rat-packing attacks on anyone who tries
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 04:18 PM
Mar 2023

to point out what you are correctly saying now.

TikTok ban, Willow oil project approval, family separation on immigration, bigfooting home rule for DC, carbon bomb mega oil lease auction for the Gulf (that was earlier than the others) etc etc.

Ever since Ron Klain left as CoS, (Klain was the conduit to the left half of our Party) it is like someone looked at this:



and said

'OMG!, we cannot have 18 to 34 year olds supporting Biden as the nominee in 2024 by a net 48 points HIGHER than the older Gen Xers and the younger Boomers'. Quick!, let's start supporting things they hate, even if it means we are breaking multiple foundational campaign promises and tactics (smashing Trump over and over and over on family separation, for instance).



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