I'm kind of shocked at all these DUers who are convinced Biden won't be reelected

[AZSkiffyGeek]

I'm seeing all this talk about Trump getting away with it, but that means they think that Biden will lose next year. Nice to see such support for a Democratic candidate here.

And the pro-Garland posters are the ones being called Trump supporters....

[demmiblue]

1. I haven't seen anyone say that. n/t

[SheilaAnn]

3. Me neither..n/t

[demmiblue]

4. Seems to be shit-stirring, if you ask me.

[Lunabell]

15. That's a really tacky thing to say!

You can't call someone a shit stirrer just because you disagree with them. I've seen very ageist posts about Biden. Trolls probably, but it happens!

[H2O Man]

33. Perhaps because the OP

is absolutely without facts or logic? A young teen would fail a social studies test at the junior high level if they said what is in the OP. Wanting Trump to face legal consequence in no way leads to the claim that those who do, do not think Biden would defeat Trump in the 2024 election. Shortcuts to logic always run the risk of having someone disagree strongly, and perhaps question motivation.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

5. I'm not calling anyone out

But if you think that Trump must be behind bars before the primaries, you must think that he is going to win the election, or at least that Biden is going to lose.

[demmiblue]

7. Good lawd...

[Meadowoak]

12. Trump won't win. But I want him held accountable for once in his rotten lifetime.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. I agree

I'm just not putting a timetable on it. I want it done right, not rushed.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. Quite the stretch

Jumping from:

a) if you assume Trump will get away with his crimes,

To

b) you must also believe Biden will not be re-elected

There is no logic connecting those two statements.

To avoid ongoing embarrassment, I recommend that you consider deleting your thread.

[Lunabell]

10. I have!

But, I think they're trolls.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

14. Trolls that have managed to rack up a pretty high post count with their doom and gloom

[live love laugh]

21. Not unlike this doom and gloom thread ...

[AZSkiffyGeek]

22. What doom and gloom?

[BannonsLiver]

2. If it's Biden vs. Trump Biden will win handily.

It’s DeSantis and the normalization of him from the clowns in the national political media that concerns me. It’s already starting.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

8. I'm not even sure DeSantis has a chance

But I agree that Trump isn't winning again.
But then what do I know, I'm a fucking asshole who supports Trump apparently.

[Meadowoak]

6. Biden will easily be reelected, no matter who the GOP nominee is.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

9. So why are people so worried about putting Garland on a timeline? nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. I think timelines have more to do with impatience and relieving distress

Than with the presumption that Biden won’t be re-elected.

Some people don’t tolerate uncertainty well, and some may prefer to assume a negative outcome, which creates the illusion of certainty, rather than sit with the uncertainty.

That said, there is no logic connecting someone assuming Trump will get away with his crimes, with the presumption that person also assumes Biden will not be re-elected.

[keep_left]

31. Maybe because Trump seems convinced that merely being a *candidate* gives him...

...some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card, or at least a delay-the-inevitable card. I don't know where Trump gets this idea, since his lawyers definitely aren't giving him such ignorant advice. But since losing the election, Trump has been single-minded and fanatical in his pursuit of re-election, and he has made numerous statements that show utterly delusional self-confidence about his legal woes.

[former9thward]

34. No one is going to be easily reelected or elected in 2024.

The 2016 election was decided by 77,000 votes in three states. The 2020 election was decided by 40,000 votes in the same number. Those dynamics have not changed.

[betsuni]

11. As if unless Trump's locked up everyone's going to rush out to vote for him or to not

vote because they're sad and depressed about it. I don't get it.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. Apparently those posters didn't pay attention to 2022

[betsuni]

20. And all the complaints about not impeaching Trump. Then he was impeached by the House twice

and got more votes in 2020.

[former9thward]

36. What do you think happened in 2022?

I watched the Republicans win 52% of the national vote and the Democrats 47%.

[Initech]

13. Honestly I think our saving grace might be Trump splitting the vote.

Think about it - if he's not the nominee in 24, he'll definitely find some way to sabotage the vote. You know he'll run 3rd party and take his idiot cultists with him. No way Desantis wins if that happens.

[ShazzieB]

23. Yes, I've thought about that, and I can see it happening.

I really don't think Trump is going to get the GOP nomination this time. Some seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that he will, but I don't buy it. His base of support is too weak, and there are too many signs of Republican leaders like McConnell acting like they can't wait to wash their hands of it.

If I'm right, the GOP nominee will be DeSantis or someone else. No matter who it is, I agree that Trump 3rd party and split up the GOP. There's no way he would gracefully step back and let someone else take center stage.

He won't get the nomination and he'll fail miserably running 3rd party. (Hey, Don, there's one of your favorite words: fail! Fail fail fail fail, you LOOOOZER! )

Just wait till the primaries start and he loses a few of them and starts telling everyone that they were rigged against him! He'll say that about every primary he doesn't win. And this time he'll be accusing his fellow Repubs of stealing Repub primaries from him. That ought to go down just great!

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. If indictments come before the GOP debates this summer...

The GOP establishment and FOX will abandon Trump, and craft a narrative that he is unelectable.

[ShazzieB]

32. True!

That makes perfect sense.

[mwooldri]

17. If it's Biden Vs Trump in 2024...

... then a result where Biden wins that mirrors the scale of Reagan's win over Mondale should be the result. Well, actually any Democrat Vs Trump should have that result. Oh add any Democrat Vs DeFascist (assuming he runs and wins R primary race).

That is of course assuming a sane electorate. However Dems need to work it and get that emotional connection going. We know we have the best ideas, that's a given. But policy ideas and policy wonks don't always make for the best candidates even if they were elected that they would make the best person in the job. People vote with feelings. Unless the planet Vulcan did really exist and they were to come and populate the US quickly as US citizens...

[live love laugh]

19. All DUers where? Link?

[Silent3]

24. I'm not aware of very much talk like that

There is fear that Trump can win, or some other fascist monster, but that's far from being convinced that Biden can't or won't win.

What's scary is that winning margins are often so narrow. In a reasonable country people would have never elected Trump in the first place, and then, having seen what he did for four years, Trump shouldn't have won a single state or single electoral vote.

In a reasonable country.

Which we clearly don't have.

If you think Biden is unbeatable, however, then you don't understand America. No candidate, Biden or any other Democrat, can possibly be could good enough to ensure we defeat Republicans next time.

I will fear every election until the fascist fever in the Republican party has been snuffed out, especially given so many of the coup plotters are still roaming free, many of them holding positions of power.

[Meowmee]

38. Good post +++

In a reasonable country a life long criminal inciting violence would never have been able to run for office at all much less twice more after committing numerous heinous crimes and still currently walking free.

[Chautauquas]

26. I don't get your first statement

Thinking that Trump will get away with his crimes and run for office again doesn't necessarily mean that people also think he'll go on to defeat Biden. How in the world did you come up with that?

I also haven't seen anyone on this site who supports Garland being called a Trump supporter.

[ShazzieB]

35. I think some people are afraid of just that.

I've seen comments expressing a fear (not a certainty) that if the DOJ doesn't work fast enough, he could get reelected and then be able to pardon himself. I couldn't say how many people think that's a serious possibility, but I've seen that sentiment addressed at DU more than once.

I think some people were so badly spooked by him winning in 2016 when so many didn't believe he had a chance that they're afraid we'll all be wrong again. Which I can sort of understand; I felt that way myself in 2020, scared to death that he might be unbeatable.

I think things have changed drastically since then, as far as how much support Trump actually has and his ability to get votes, but I think it's almost a superstitious thing with some folks.

[liberal_mama]

29. I don't think Trump will be elected, but I am concerned about DeSatan n/t

[Joinfortmill]

30. In my opinion, Joe is rocking it and both he & Merrick Garland are men of unimpeachable character.

[Yavin4]

37. If Powell pushes rates to 6%

Biden will lose.