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global1

(25,292 posts)
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 04:08 PM Mar 2023

I Just Heard Michael Cohen Has Credibility Problems Because He Was Referred To As A Habitual Liar...

Wasn't he lying because he was being paid by Tr**p to lie and he was just doing his job?

Didn't Tr**p pay him to lie? Isn't Tr**p the liar here?

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I Just Heard Michael Cohen Has Credibility Problems Because He Was Referred To As A Habitual Liar... (Original Post) global1 Mar 2023 OP
We want to bring Trump sycophants back into the fold... lame54 Mar 2023 #1
AGREE! Do you recall Repubs saying Cohen's testimony wasn't credible since he was found guilty? NowsTheTime Mar 2023 #2
The answer is no to your questions. former9thward Mar 2023 #3
I don't know inthewind21 Mar 2023 #4
He was convicted of lying by Mueller in addition to those charges. former9thward Mar 2023 #8
Mueller is the gift to Republicans that keeps on giving. dem4decades Mar 2023 #5
The point is do not rely on liars to convict someone of lying. former9thward Mar 2023 #6
Yet inthewind21 Mar 2023 #7
I don't agree prosecutors regularly use inmates or CI as court witnesses. former9thward Mar 2023 #9
ok inthewind21 Mar 2023 #10
Are you an attorney? triron Mar 2023 #12
Yes. former9thward Mar 2023 #14
You do realize that bad guys hang around with bad guys. See Sammy the Bull, he was a successful dem4decades Mar 2023 #11
Good point. Cohen seems to have had a paradigm shift. triron Mar 2023 #13
Habitual lying is a GOP/FOX family value. Cohen went to jail for telling the truth under oath. Samrob Mar 2023 #15

lame54

(35,343 posts)
1. We want to bring Trump sycophants back into the fold...
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 04:13 PM
Mar 2023

Then the few who snap out of it are forever marked as untrustworthy

NowsTheTime

(723 posts)
2. AGREE! Do you recall Repubs saying Cohen's testimony wasn't credible since he was found guilty?
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 04:20 PM
Mar 2023

This is so f........ ignorant!

former9thward

(32,120 posts)
3. The answer is no to your questions.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 04:48 PM
Mar 2023

Cohen was convicted of lying to Congress. (He was charged and convicted on two lies, there were several other known lies that they did not charge him with). He stated Trump told him to lie. Mueller said that was not accurate (a legal way of saying it was another lie). Also even if Trump had told him to lie -- so what? If a client tells you to jump off a cliff do you do it? Not surprising Cohen was immediately disbarred.

Mueller’s office disputes BuzzFeed report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/mueller-statement-buzzfeed/index.html

If there is ever an indictment of Trump you will never see Cohen testifying. He would be ripped to shreds on the stand.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
4. I don't know
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 05:00 PM
Mar 2023

But I do know I wouldn't put a bet on that. Pretty much EVERYONE around Trump is a liar. So who WOULD be credible? Kushner, Meadows, Flynn, Baby Trump, Ivanka, Rudy, Barr, hell, Trumps own attorneys. The list is damn near endless.

And no, he wasn't convicted of lying to congress. He was convicted by SDNY of Tax Evasion, Making False Statements to a bank, Causing an unlawful corporate contribution and making an excessive campaign contribution. Did he plead guilty to lying to the senate select committee, during his NY trial, yes. But that's not what got him convicted.

former9thward

(32,120 posts)
8. He was convicted of lying by Mueller in addition to those charges.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 05:28 PM
Mar 2023

Conviction for perjury in congressional testimony

On November 29, 2018, Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to the Senate Intelligence Committee and House Intelligence Committee in 2017 regarding the proposed Trump Tower Moscow deal that he spearheaded in 2015 and 2016. Cohen had told Congress that the deal ceased in January 2016 when it actually ended in June 2016, and that he had not received a response about the deal from the office of a senior Russian official when he actually had. Cohen said that he had given the false testimony in order to be consistent with Trump's "repeated disavowals of commercial and political ties between himself and Russia" and out of loyalty to Trump. Cohen received a two-month sentence, to be served concurrently with his three-year sentence for tax fraud, for the false testimony.

This charge was brought directly by Robert Mueller's investigation, rather than the United States Attorney for the SDNY, who brought the previous charges against Cohen. In a sentencing memorandum filed the following day, Cohen's attorneys stated he kept Trump "apprised" of the "substantive conversation" Cohen had in January 2016 with a Russian official, and discussed with Trump traveling to Russia to advance the project during the summer of 2016. The filing also stated Cohen "remained in close and regular contact with White House-based staff and legal counsel" as he prepared to provide false testimony to Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cohen_(lawyer)

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
7. Yet
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 05:26 PM
Mar 2023

That is EXACTLY what the courts do ALL the time. Ever heard the word snitch? How about CI? You think those are pillars of the community? Hell prosecutors regularly use inmates as witnesses.

former9thward

(32,120 posts)
9. I don't agree prosecutors regularly use inmates or CI as court witnesses.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 05:34 PM
Mar 2023

It has not been my experience. Prosecutors use them to get information which will allow them to prosecute someone but rarely are they put on the stand. Exception being violent crimes within the prison system itself.

dem4decades

(11,315 posts)
11. You do realize that bad guys hang around with bad guys. See Sammy the Bull, he was a successful
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 09:33 PM
Mar 2023

government witness. Do you think that Michael Cohen is a less credible witness than Sammy The Bull?

triron

(22,028 posts)
13. Good point. Cohen seems to have had a paradigm shift.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 10:35 PM
Mar 2023

Unfortunately a witnesses past can reduce their credibility.

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