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kentuck

(111,106 posts)
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:01 PM Mar 2023

In legal matters, how much charity should be afforded a president or former president...?

who might have broken the laws?

Should they be totally exempt from the laws?

Or should they adhere to the same laws as the rest of us? Some might argue there should be an even stricter adherence, since they are sworn to faithfully execute the laws of our Constitution?

It's not an issue of Democrats vs Republicans or vice-versa. It's about the laws that we either ignore or we respect.

Every American citizen should understand that it is not a partisan maneuver. It is about upholding the rule of law.

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In legal matters, how much charity should be afforded a president or former president...? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2023 OP
It's a complex question about the former Sovereign as Head of State bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #1
Zero charity. Simple justice. TigressDem Mar 2023 #2
I think they (all lawmakers) should be held to the same legal standards grumpyduck Mar 2023 #3
Trump openly gives us all the finger so pwb Mar 2023 #4
Nixon should MOMFUDSKI Mar 2023 #7
I'll simply point out gratuitous Mar 2023 #5
He took an oath to see that the laws were faithfully executed Walleye Mar 2023 #6
NO!!! He is more responsible for his/her cobduct than any other citizen! overleft Mar 2023 #8
Those who serve in government should be held... 3catwoman3 Mar 2023 #9
None Progressive dog Mar 2023 #10
No charity. Equal under the law. Although I am pondering the hold to a higher... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #11
NO exemptions or 'special treatment' ............. MyOwnPeace Mar 2023 #12
Absolutely not. If they can't uphold the law lock them up. Autumn Mar 2023 #13

bucolic_frolic

(43,231 posts)
1. It's a complex question about the former Sovereign as Head of State
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:08 PM
Mar 2023

Do we treat them like Royals, with sovereign immunity forever? Do we exile them like Napoleon, Papa Doc Duvalier? Do they lose any cloak of sovereignty when they leave office?

Generally, white collar criminals get softer treatment. Luxury prisons, home confinement. So there is precedent for them receiving preferential treatment.

Personally, at this time, I'd trade immunity for silence and banishment. Get it over with.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
2. Zero charity. Simple justice.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:08 PM
Mar 2023

A PRESIDENT should be EVEN MORE LAW ABIDING.

A Leader of the Untied States of America should be setting an example of a law abiding citizen who serves at the WILL of THE PEOPLE and KNOWS IT.

BUT with regards to any punishment, it should isolate this person so they don't become a punching bag in prison. Solitary.

grumpyduck

(6,240 posts)
3. I think they (all lawmakers) should be held to the same legal standards
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:10 PM
Mar 2023

as the rest of us. Period. That may make some of these assholes think twice about committing crimes if they know they could be indicted and/or yanked out of office.

I think the problem would be in the legal system's usual "speed" and in politicizing the whole thing to attack opponents. Which means DOJ and other agencies would have to adapt their SOPs. I wouldn't want to be there in Congress when they debate this.

pwb

(11,280 posts)
4. Trump openly gives us all the finger so
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:12 PM
Mar 2023

fuck him right back. I say knock him down until he stays down.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,585 posts)
7. Nixon should
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:24 PM
Mar 2023

have never been pardoned. That is where the bullshit started. 2 sets of laws. One for me and one for thee.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. I'll simply point out
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:22 PM
Mar 2023

In the aftermath of the Whitewater investigation, when Republicans failed to remove Bill Clinton from office, there was a rump group of bitter-enders who got Clinton's Supreme Court bar ticket yanked for his alleged perjury during the Paula Jones affair. Clinton, of course, was never going to practice law again, much less be hired as someone's counsel before the Supreme Court, so the revocation of that license was purely for the spite and humiliation of it all.

Walleye

(31,032 posts)
6. He took an oath to see that the laws were faithfully executed
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:24 PM
Mar 2023

He should be held to a higher standard

electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
11. No charity. Equal under the law. Although I am pondering the hold to a higher...
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:55 PM
Mar 2023

standard bc of solemly swearing (definitely not true in drumphf's case) to uphold, defend, and protect The Constitution.
He/(She, eventually, as well🤞 ) is the #1 person so to speak of the USA.

MyOwnPeace

(16,934 posts)
12. NO exemptions or 'special treatment' .............
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:57 PM
Mar 2023

they entered the 'arena' knowing that they were expected to honor and uphold the laws of the land - and if they don't - they face justice just as any other citizen would.

This 'BULLSHIT' that Mueller and Barr danced around was just that - BULLSHIT!!!!!

And yes, they SHOULD be held to an even higher standard.

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