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After leading the Tennessee state senate as it passed laws this year banning gender-affirming care for minors and all-ages drag performances, Lieutenant Governor Randy McNally (R) faced charges of hypocrisy earlier this week when he was caught leaving admiring comments on nude Instagram photos of a gay Knoxville man.
But McNallys interest in barely clothed pictures of members of the LGBTQ community doesnt stop with that Knoxville man, Franklyn McClur. The lieutenant governor has liked shirtless and swimsuit pictures of gay men and transgender women for years, according to the Instagram activity of McNallys official verified account reviewed by The Daily Beast.
For example, McNally has liked a number of Instagram pictures of a Texas man in a tight-fitting swimsuit. The man told The Daily Beast in Instagram messages that he didnt know McNally personally, but that the politician had been interacting with his social media accounts for years.
He has been liking my photos on Facebook since 2020, the man told The Daily Beast in an Instagram direct message. Im not sure where he first saw me online.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tennessee-lt-gov-liked-even-more-thirst-traps-from-gay-men-trans-women/ar-AA18u78B
Deuxcents
(16,287 posts)Absolutely amazing
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,002 posts)Deuxcents
(16,287 posts)He explained how the Lt Governor of Tennessee has voted numerous times against gay rights legislation but now has been exposed texting with the gay model featured above. He has liked his posts with 🔥 n ❤️ Emojis n when interviewed, said he has been communicating with the model for a while n wanted to encourage him but all the while, against LGBT rights. Then, tonight on Deadline w/ Nicole Wallace, she brought it up n the hypocrisy of the r party.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Maybe, edit that part of the title?
Happy Hoosier
(7,350 posts)From Urban Dictionary:
A sexy photograph or flirty message posted on social media for the intent of causing others to publicly profess their attraction. This is done not to actually respond or satisfy any of this attraction, but to feed the posters ego or need for attention, at the expense of the time, reputation and sexual frustration of those who view the image or reply.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)A word popular in the anime community to describe characters who look the opposite gender. It applies to both males and females, though it is most commonly used for male characters who present female.
While the word is only meant to apply to characters who identify as the opposite of how they appear physically, the term has become notorious in the LGBTQ+ community as people begun using the word as a slur towards transgender women.
Person A: Wow, this character is so pretty!
Person B: You know she's actually a dude right?
Person A: Oh... It's a trap.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap
Put simply it accuses trans people of trying to trick people into have sex with them. And here is a link to Reddit article linking to a tweet I wont post here of Thirst Trap being used against a trans woman.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/11g8q4v/conservative_trans_woman_blaire_white_addressed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yeah white is a shitty conservative troll but she is still a trans woman all the same and this shows thirst trap being used in the same bigoted way.
Also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/u2spt2/how_to_explain_to_my_friend_that_trap_is_a_slur/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLGBT/comments/baouci/is_the_term_trap_offensive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/10cc628/is_trap_a_slur/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.sutori.com/en/story/most-people-don-t-want-to-believe-trap-is-a-pejorative-term--pJUAiryEpbzwaUx878keDVyg
TRAP IS A SLUR AGAINST TRANS PEOPLE!!!
Just censor it out. This doesnt need to be a big deal.
Ms. Toad
(34,082 posts)obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)Good lord. Be accurate.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Adding thirst in front of it does not keep it from carrying that connotation as you can see from the Reddit link about Blair White.
Happy Hoosier
(7,350 posts)I don't think a phrase necessarily takes on the connotation of words it contains. I personally think that kind of reaction fuels sterotypes that progressive people are overly sensitive.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,350 posts)I mean NEVER. The use of the term alone is NOT the same as when it used in conjunction with "thirst"
Yes, I have heard the word "trap" used as an anti-trans slur ON ITS OWN. But NEVER have I heard "thirst trap" used in such a way.
I will read that reddit article, but I really don't think we should conflate the usage. They are not the same. Not that I really ever use it.... I'm 57 and an old fart. But I do here it from my daughter and the kids she hangs out with (which includes trans and non-binary folks) use it frequently.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,002 posts)Celerity
(43,461 posts)It's absolutely non gender, non orientation specific.
Here is the Cambridge Dictionary (a real, world renowned, academically sound reference, not the often-dodgy Urban Dictionary, where anyone can make up a definition)
thirst trap
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/thirst-trap
a statement by or photograph of someone on social media that is intended to attract attention or make people who see it sexually interested in them:
Why do people post thirst traps?
Thirst traps usually involve posting sexy selfies.
More examples
Posting a thirst trap is a great way to rake in a lot of likes on a photo.
Sometimes a thirst trap can be just a really good photo of your face.
Changing rooms have incredible lighting for thirst traps.
Happy Hoosier
(7,350 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Celerity
(43,461 posts)a negative spin using a very sensitive subject (trans people) as the overall definition really bothers me as an LGBTQ (I am a lesbian) person myself. I am a 26yo Millennial/Gen Z cusper (Zillennial), who has seen the tern used hundreds (thousands?) of times over the past 10, 12 years on social media and in articles, rarely, if ever, applied as some sort of slating of the trans community. This redefining (as a pejorative term against trans or other LGBTQ people) attempt for DU is problematic at best. It is not at all accurate.
From The Today Show on NBC:
If these celebrities can do it, you can too!
https://www.today.com/popculture/popculture/what-is-a-thirst-trap-rcna13673
Jenna Bush Hager tries her hand at taking a thirst trap.Nathan Congleton / TODAY
Ah, the thirst trap: the social media post that makes your comment section blow up with the likes of "you're so hot" "🔥🔥🔥" and "OKKKK." Jenna Bush Hager shot her first thirst trap on Wednesday to celebrate hitting 1 million followers on the Hoda & Jenna Instagram account but she's got plenty of company.
A thirst trap, in the most formal of definitions, is a sexy or flirty photo meant to elicit a viewer's attention. When you break down the phrase, it makes a little more sense: you're trying to trap someone into admitting their thirst (attraction) to you because of your jaw-dropping post (or, posts. We aren't judging.) A thirst trap is always clearly posted or sent for the attention and admiration of one or more people but is often done coyly enough that it airs more on the side of flirty than explicit. (Usually.)
How does one take a thirst trap?
You might put on the perfect outfit and give your look some extra oomph. Or a thirst trap could be au naturale, giving off an "effortlessly hot" effect. Examples of things that may help you achieve this: golden hour lighting, being fresh off the beach, a post-workout selfie or a "no-makeup" makeup look. But, more than anything, a thirst trap is all about being confident because as we know, there's nothing hotter than being your authentic self. In case you need some physical examples of what a thirst trap may look like, we've rounded up some celebrities who've mastered the art of the thirst trap and some of them may surprise you.
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Jennifer Lopez
JLo, our favorite triple threat, posted this saucy photo of her by the pool (sensing a theme?). There's no denying JLo does, and always will, look amazing. We're convinced she doesn't age at all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Tmh71Jq5E/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=8dc748e6-3f06-4f6e-8f32-fd4463f19795
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Wikipedia (which is moderated)
Thirst trap
A thirst trap is a type of social media post intended to entice viewers sexually. It refers to a viewer's "thirst", a colloquialism likening sexual frustration to dehydration, implying desperation, with the afflicted individual being described as "thirsty." Originating around the early 2010s, the meaning has changed over time.
History
Thirst trap culture was derived from selfie culture. The term thirst trap emerged on Twitter and Urban Dictionary in 2011, and throughout the years as the rise of Snapchat, Instagram, and online dating apps such as Tinder. In 2011, it was defined by Urban Dictionary as "any statement used to intentionally create attention or 'thirst'." In 2018, it was reported to have entered common usage, as media sources including The New York Times and GQ started using the expression without definition.
Usage of the term
Often, the term thirst trap describes an attractive picture of an individual that they post online. Thirst trap can also describe a digital heartthrob. For instance, Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau has been described as a political thirst trap. It has also been described as a modern form of "fishing for compliments".
Motivation
There can be several motivations behind thirst trapping. People can seek "likes" and comments on social media which can provide a temporary boost in self-esteem and validation. Posting a thirst trap can also be a way to express sexuality. Thirst traps can contribute to personal branding as well. Sometimes, there can be a financial benefit for sharing thirst traps. Some post thirst traps as a way to cope with emotional distress, such as after a breakup. Furthermore, these images can be used to spite a former lover. Sharing a thirst trap has also been used as a way to connect in times of social isolation (e.g. COVID-19 pandemic). From a physiological standpoint, endorphins and neurotransmitters like oxytocin and dopamine can be released with the process of sharing thirst traps, leading to a sense of pleasure and an ambiguous or masturbatory alternative for actual physical sexual contact.
from Parade Magazine:
Psychotherapists sound off.
https://parade.com/health/what-is-a-thirst-trap
Remember when Instagram mostly consisted of food photos? These days, your feed is more likely to be populated with friends selfies than an artfully arranged plate of avocado toast. There are a few different types of selfies youre likely to encounter on social media. Theres the healthy selfie (taken after a workout or holding a smoothie), the beach selfie (particularly painful to see when you are most definitely not on vacation), the plane selfie (best taken when not crammed into a middle seat) ... then, theres the thirst trap.
A thirst trap is a photo posted on social media or sent to someone with the intent of gaining or sparking interest, says psychotherapist Tiffany Rowland, LCSW. Thirst traps can be subtly suggestive or overtly sexy, but in either case, they are meant to seduce. Knowing the psychology of thirst trapsincluding the type of attention they can attract as well as how they can impact the selfie-takers own mental healthis key for deciding if posting one is actually a good idea or not. Before you saunter over to your bathroom mirror to perfect a flirty pout, find out what therapists think of them.
What Is the Purpose of a Thirst Trap?
Simply put, the purpose of a thirst trap is to get attention. The thirst is the need or craving for attraction and the trap is used to lure one in to provide the wanted attention, Rowland says. She says that people who crave attention or validation are most likely to post thirst traps or find a purpose in posting them. A thirst trap isnt gender-specific, its more of a desire to be chosen or wanted by others, she says.
Someone posts a thirst trap because they want to be desired. While this is not innately a bad thing, Rowland says that there are some drawbacks to posting them on social media. One is that you cant control who they may attract (or trap). You may post a thirst trap in hopes of catching the attention of someone specific, but if its shared publicly, others are able to view it too, such as your colleagues, family members, frenemies, or a creepy person who then proceeds to send you inappropriate DMs. Any of this can lead to regretting posting something seductive.
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see this NPR audio interview, I post a portion the transcript for the hearing impaired, the full audio and full transcript are at the link:
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603093415/thrist-trap-enters-the-lexicon
Transcript: NOEL KING, HOST: The Internet has given rise to lots of new terms and phrases. One of them recently caught the ear of NPR's Neda Ulaby.
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ULABY: I asked an editor at Merriam-Webster about the origins of thirst trap. Peter Sokolowski had just started following it as a phrase of interest.
SOKOLOWSKI: In English, we've always used the word thirsty in some way to reflect desire. It was usually religious - you know, thirsty for salvation, thirsty for knowledge of God.
ULABY: Thirst, lust - it makes sense, says Sokolowski, that thirst traps started showing up on Twitter and Urban Dictionary in 2011, right along with the rise of Instagram, Snapchat and dating apps like Tinder.
SOKOLOWSKI: Thirst is physical. It's elemental. It's among the most basic of human needs, of course.
ULABY: Lexicographers relish the chance to watch a term like thirst trap evolve in real time over social media. Now it's also used to mean a heartthrob. For example, Sokolowski quotes a GQ article about the prime minister of Canada.
SOKOLOWSKI: Justin Trudeau's not just a thoughtful and empathetic leader. He's also an A-plus thirst trap.
ULABY: We're beginning to see thirst trap in places like GQ and The New York Times without definition or gloss, so don't expect one the next time you hear the words thirst trap on NPR.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)When referring to a trans person Trap, whether you put thirst in front of it or not, is a slur against trans people.
And if you read the links I gave then you would have seen a multitude of reason why
You wrote:
How is that different from the transphobic definition where it is a trans woman trying to get guys sexually excited for them and trick them into acting gay? Ie the trap?
Also Note that the gender of the trans person is purposely ignored for their assigned gender, that the trans person is assumed to be deceptive, and the cis person being shamed for acting gay despite having a typical heterosexual attraction to femininity. Being LGBTQ you can also see the homophobia dripping from all of this.
Again when applied to a trans person the meaning is going to be to seduce them for the purpose of them acting gay.
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It should also be mentioned that transphobes have gone to EXTREMES to try and argue that it is not transphobic.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1927958
Note how the people who say it isnt transphobic immediately follow it up with alt right bull or more blatant transphobia?
More examples
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1277626-trap
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-trap-a-transphobic-slur
You can find plenty of sources on this.
Finally there is good old rational wiki:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transgender_glossary#Trap
The word trap is a piece of internet slang, that depending on usage may be regarded as a slur.
The slang originates from the internet forum SomethingAwful, one of the earliest online anime communities, where in a discussion about the character Bridget from the fighting game franchise Guilty Gear (a trans girl character who was raised as a girl because of religious superstition, but identified as a boy at the time, prior to -STRIVE-), an administrator of the board responded with a reaction image of the character Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi saying "it's a trap", poking fun at the fact that the character is a cisgender male yet the forum posters (assumed at the time to consist largely of straight males) were being sexually interested in the character.[citation needed]
As a result, in anime communities, the word "trap" is nearly always used to describe cisgender male characters who dress in feminine clothing, but otherwise identify as male. ("Reverse trap" is used for the same, but for cisgender female characters who dress in masculine clothing). In Japan, this is often associated with a subculture called otokonoko. For many anime fans, the word does not carry negative connotations, and there is a genre in anime dedicated to these sorts of characters, with the same name.
When 4chan was created after moot (the owner of 4chan) was banned from SomethingAwful, usage of the word was moved over to 4chan, along with the rest of the SomethingAwful subculture. On that site, it eventually was exploited by transphobes to insinuate that transgender women are trying to "trap" men into having sex with them.
Due to extensive hate mobs from 4chan users over the years, the word to many people outside of the anime community eventually became regarded as a slur. The word became controversial from 2016 onward, when anime itself entered mainstream popularity, and many transgender people who only experienced the word as a slur ended up clashing with older anime fans (some of whom are also transgender) who had largely missed the aforementioned hate mobs. Further complicating things is that for cross-dressers, the word is also often used as a self-identification, which caused further clashing with transgender people.
The result is that at present, the term is subject to every opinion under the sun, ranging from the obviously bad-faith "it's never a slur" (largely pushed by transphobes who want to use the term against transgender women), to "it's only a slur if you use to refer to a real person who doesn't consent to being called that" (often used by older anime fans who don't want to let go of the term and don't regard it as a slur), to "it's always a slur" (used by people new to the fandom). All of these opinions, except for the first one, are also often held by transgender people.
In conclusion, the use of the term is a complicated one, and one should care to examine context behind its use to determine if it is being used in a transphobic way, if it is an anime fan discussing a character, or a cross-dresser using it to identify themself.
Here is a thread I made years ago on another trans related forum on why Trap is a slur:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/crossdreamlife/traps-in-anime-and-pop-culture-t1892.html
Ultimately, no matter the intention, whenever the term trap is used with regards to an trans person, bigots will use that against them.
Celerity
(43,461 posts)usage to claim the term is a slur against trans via projection and conflation.
You are removing half of the term (thirst) from 'thirst trap', and then trying to use the standalone 'trap' (which has a different context then used alone) as a conflation tool.
You also are trying to erect some sort of zone wherein you remove any sort of normal agency from trans people when they engage in behaviours that all other groups do (ie, posting sexy pics in this case).
Trans people are just as human as anyone else, they have the same sorts of desire for interaction, the same sort of motivations (non nefarious) for many, many things that all other groups have. Yet you want to reduce them to sort of automatons, who just do things without any basic human motivations.
The vast majority of trans people are just like anyone else, they want to be desired, they want to be seen as attractive, they like positive attention, and many (like all groups now do) post sexy pics. When these pics are posted by ANY person, they are commonly called, by tens (hundreds?) of millions, 'thirst traps'. Yet you are trying to erase basic human motivations for doing so from just one group, that being trans people.
I also see no inherent (to leave the trans-only sphere) generalised homophobia whatsoever in having a pic called a thirst trap. Millions of cis straight people have their pics called that, why shouldn't we queer folk have the same thing done. True acceptance and equality is when we are treated like everyone else, regardless of our orientation. If my sister (cis straight) and I both post 'kini pics on Insta, am I to believe that when both of us get labelled as posting 'thirst traps' that the comments on hers are ok, but the ones about mine are somehow homophobic?
Finally,
I take offence as an LGBTQ person because this type of selective word policing and pejorative re-definitioning is using us queer folk as weapon, a cudgel, to promote an inaccurate stance via problematic methodology. We are then turned around and attacked for it, scapegoated, which I am bloody well sick of.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Just to try and turn things around and quiet me.
I also see that you say LGBTQ rather than trans. Are you trans? Seems weird you keep on bringing LGBTQ up but not being trans.
I avoid saying trans for myself because 1) I have adolescent onset gender dysphoria which is controversial and can be confused with the BS that is ROGD and 2) I am not far into getting HRT. I am, however, asexual, which is also LGBTQ+
Not that it gives either of us any legitimacy over the other. But you bring it up so it must be important to you as you explain trans-ness to me.
Do you think that a transphobe will care about any of that and not use the term with both meanings?
No, I am pointing out how calling trans people trap is problematic and asking the OP to use a different term.
The vast majority of trans people are just like anyone else, they want to be desired, they want to be seen as attractive, they like positive attention, and many (like all groups now do) post sexy pics. When these pics are posted by ANY person, they are commonly called, by tens (hundreds?) of millions, 'thirst traps'. Yet you are trying to erase basic human motivations for doing so from just one group, that being trans people.
Do keep telling me what it is like to be trans. My gender dysphoria addled brain apparently keeps me from understanding
As for my motivation, thank you for telling me what it is. You with your psychic powers know what my motivation is better than me.
I thought I was asking someone not to use a word because it CAN and has been used as a slur. No, no. You know my intentions better than me.
The homophobia is when it is used with a trans person. As it means to trick/trap a straight person into being gay.
I take offence as an LGBTQ person because this type of selective word policing and pejorative re-definitioning is using us queer folk as weapon, a cudgel, to promote an inaccurate stance via problematic methodology. We are then turned around and attacked for it, scapegoated, which I am bloody well sick of.
I am sorry you feel so offended that I asked someone not to use a term that is used as a slur referring to trans people. I am sorry you are attacked by bigots because others ask them not be bigoted.
I am not sorry for asking people to not use slurs.
Celerity
(43,461 posts)via conflation of the two separate descriptive terms.
As for transphobes, fuck them. I take no issue (I applaud it in fact) with your exposing them when they use 'trap' (note again I am talking about 'trap' alone, not 'thirst traps', those two descriptive terms are separate things, as I and other posters have extensively shown) to attack the trans community.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)I feel it can (and has been used in one of the links I gave) in that manner.
Can we leave it at we just leave it at we disagree?
Celerity
(43,461 posts)cheers
Cel
obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)Thirst trap is 100% neutral, it has nothingnto do with LGBT+. And yes, I am LGBT+, too.
You and others are wrong.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Including one where it was being used to carry the same exact meaning by a transphobe attacking a trans woman.
Using trap to describe a trans person in anyway carry still carry this meaning.
https://www.transgendermap.com/resources/words/slang-slurs/?amp
Sympthsical
(9,086 posts)In the social media world - particularly places like Instagram - thirst traps are sexualized pictures posted to generate clicks, interest, and likes. Straight and cis-gendered people post thirst traps as much as anyone else.
It is a very, very, very common term. Insisting the use within these contexts is nefarious or bigoted just isn't in touch with contemporary use of the phrase.
https://cafemom.com/entertainment/celebrities-thirst-traps-instagram (SFW, some bathing suits and things).
Men, women, gay, straight. It's used for everyone.
obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)YOU are right. wtf the double down of other posters. They are WRONG.
obamanut2012
(26,087 posts)wtf
Polybius
(15,462 posts)It was the actual title in the news story!
marmar
(77,084 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Please work out your personal issues without writing oppressive laws for the rest of us. We aren't quite obsessed about some things are you clearly are.
malaise
(269,103 posts)THat is all
TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Just not in the GOP.
Polybius
(15,462 posts)Or so he says.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,374 posts)Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)
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Sympthsical
(9,086 posts)Someone that age posting heart and flame emojis on instagram pics.
So much creepy "Hello, fellow kids!" energy!
Yes, the anti-LGBT stuff is pretty bad. That's a given.
But the emoji, child-like interactions are what really engage the full body cringe response.